Question Arlen grace is still alive?

[Hiddenprince]

We never heard about arlen being killed or leaving the tower. Ps, the hell train is supposed to take you to a hidden floor, if any regular survives the whole journey.

 

[Spirit]

We never heard about arlen being killed or leaving the tower. Ps, the hell train is supposed to take you to a hidden floor, if any regular survives the whole journey.

The Hell Train takes you to the Floor of Death
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[kkck]

We never heard about arlen being killed or leaving the tower. Ps, the hell train is supposed to take you to a hidden floor, if any regular survives the whole journey.

Well, we just learned her name in this week's chapter. We have literally nothing other than her name to discuss.... And jahad having feelings for her. And her bringing bam to this world.

 

[Jammin]

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[Hiddenprince]

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[Venior]

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Great to know, thanks for correcting my mistake.

 

[shaheer]

I think she managed to get outside and then comitted suicide. I mean outside the tower she should be mortal like any other right?

 

[kkck]

If she did get outside then she likely won't be alive. The events concerning her happened an extraordinarily long time ago even by the standards of a high ranker like garam. Arlene would be like the 10 families, immortal because of a contract. If she successfully left the tower then the contracts would be unenforceable and she would die as she would normally. The most likely scenario, given that, is that she has long died of all age. Assuming she didn't kill herself.

 

[Hiddenprince]

If she did get outside then she likely won't be alive. The events concerning her happened an extraordinarily long time ago even by the standards of a high ranker like garam. Arlene would be like the 10 families, immortal because of a contract. If she successfully left the tower then the contracts would be unenforceable and she would die as she would normally. The most likely scenario, given that, is that she has long died of all age. Assuming she didn't kill herself.

Could Rachel have something to do with Arlene's death outside the tower as she seems to know her and even why she hates bam?

 

[shaheer]

Could Rachel have something to do with Arlene's death outside the tower as she seems to know her and even why she hates bam?

I think rachel was Arlenes hand maid or something. Got obsessed with Arlene like many folks get obsessed with the family leaders and felt distraught that it is Bam who is the child and thus the true heir and it is Bam who is the one given the life to return to the tower and the final thing that most likely ticked her off was it was Bam who not only pressed in the tower but went up without any problem while she was slapped off by Headon as a greedy worthless girl.
Not to mention she might blame Bam for death of Arlene if it ever happened which i think it did. For one if Arlene is alive she would lead FUG and Zahard wouldnt be silently napping. he would try to hunt her down to get her into some cage or something. I think Zahard did his research througout the tower with all the arsenal he had along with the aid of the guardians and became sure Arlene is no longer in Tower so got bored and started the princess battle.Then got bored again and then started to hibernate.

Since Rachel knows the prophecy she will try to enact them by herself to sell it to others and to herself and to the one who governs the prophetic future that she is the one.

 

[Sakashi]

I personally think that Arlene Grace is alive because we never got to know if she died after she found a way out of the tower. Furthermore, speculating about Arlene would be a headache since we got no more new clues to go on. I think that Arlene is alive and we will most likely see her but it all comes down to the writing of SIU. The last piece of information we got about Arlene’s location was that she found a way ”out” of the tower and while we are on this topic, what does ”outside” the tower mean? In my opinion it can mean a lot of things since we don’t really exactly know how big the tower is or that what counts as ”outside” when it comes to Tower of god.

Also, when it comes to the writing I expect bad writing if SIU makes Arlene go in and out from the tower like it is nothing. Since the beginning of TOG SIU has stated several times that going out and in is very hard, so if he is going to make Arlene appear in her flesh to see Baam it’s going to have to be some good writing with logical explanations.

 

[Ripcord]

I personally think that Arlene Grace is alive because we never got to know if she died after she found a way out of the tower. Furthermore, speculating about Arlene would be a headache since we got no more new clues to go on. I think that Arlene is alive and we will most likely see her but it all comes down to the writing of SIU. The last piece of information we got about Arlene’s location was that she found a way ”out” of the tower and while we are on this topic, what does ”outside” the tower mean? In my opinion it can mean a lot of things since we don’t really exactly know how big the tower is or that what counts as ”outside” when it comes to Tower of god.

Also, when it comes to the writing I expect bad writing if SIU makes Arlene go in and out from the tower like it is nothing. Since the beginning of TOG SIU has stated several times that going out and in is very hard, so if he is going to make Arlene appear in her flesh to see Baam it’s going to have to be some good writing with logical explanations.

I have a suspicion she was fragmented and possibly only some part of herself was able to get away.

My money is on Arlene’s soul being the Spirit of the 13 Months. She definitely hates Zahard so she would be vengeful against princesses. Bam seems to be immune or able to break the spell of the 13 months. Plus Zahard was already a very very bad person when he killed Bam. Maybe in that same moment he shattered Arlene (since he can’t kill her) and imprisoned her soul.

I understand if this happened then there is no explanation for how Bam got out and how Rachel knows anything, but what if Arlene got shattered into 14 pieces and one got away with the help of Lusec or someone related to Rachel?

Before you say people can’t be split don’t forget about the race in the Tower that split themselves into two bodies to increase their power (spearhead in Workshop battle) so there is precedence for this.

 

[TheMoa]

I have a suspicion she was fragmented and possibly only some part of herself was able to get away.

My money is on Arlene’s soul being the Spirit of the 13 Months. She definitely hates Zahard so she would be vengeful against princesses. Bam seems to be immune or able to break the spell of the 13 months. Plus Zahard was already a very very bad person when he killed Bam. Maybe in that same moment he shattered Arlene (since he can’t kill her) and imprisoned her soul.

I understand if this happened then there is no explanation for how Bam got out and how Rachel knows anything, but what if Arlene got shattered into 14 pieces and one got away with the help of Lusec or someone related to Rachel?

Before you say people can’t be split don’t forget about the race in the Tower that split themselves into two bodies to increase their power (spearhead in Workshop battle) so there is precedence for this.

I think it's a very interesting proposition. Although it was said that it's the spirit of the first failed princess who made a deal with Zahard, we do know that the Zahard empire is built uppon many lies (but as a counter point, almost nobody knows about the curse... why the trouble to make a lie about something that noone knows about?)

We know that at some point Baam was dead and Arlene was immortal (at least insider the tower). We don't know what was her deal with the "Outside God" and we know that Baam was in the cave alone for years. What did Arlene gave back? It could be her own life, it could be part of her... maybe Rachel is some part of her... just floating things around haha


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And answering the question... I believe that Arlene isn't alive and we'll see her only in flashbacks

 

[Ripcord]

I think it's a very interesting proposition. Although it was said that it's the spirit of the first failed princess who made a deal with Zahard, we do know that the Zahard empire is built uppon many lies (but as a counter point, almost nobody knows about the curse... why the trouble to make a lie about something that noone knows about?)

We know that at some point Baam was dead and Arlene was immortal (at least insider the tower). We don't know what was her deal with the "Outside God" and we know that Baam was in the cave alone for years. What did Arlene gave back? It could be her own life, it could be part of her... maybe Rachel is some part of her... just floating things around haha


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And answering the question... I believe that Arlene isn't alive and we'll see her only in flashbacks

Zahard wanted to erase Arlene from everyone’s memory so telling the truth about the spirit wouldn’t make sense. In the absence of a false truth, people will make something up or worse start asking questions. It may be that Zahard didn’t tell anyone anything and someone else started the rumor. Or maybe Zahard really did try to inject Arlene with his “blood.”

Of course it could very well be the truth and my theory is wrong. I suspect we will be interacting with the combined spirit at some point and Arlene seems the most poetic to me.

I also like the idea of Arlene trading her life for Bam’s. In any case, this has to be Bam’s fight, not his parents’ so they both must be dead or sealed. It is rather rare for a manga/manwah main character to have a happy ending with his/her parents.

Interesting idea that Rachel is a fragment of Arlene. I think a lot of people would have a hard time accepting that if it were true.

 

[kkck]

One thing that we have to consider was that bam might not have been awake all that long while in the cave. It might have been years...decades.... or it might have been months at the most. Bam was in a cave, never went outside and might have simply not have any notion of time at all. So the time he knew rachel in the cave could have felt like an eternity for him but it could have been just a few months for rachel. Because those few months would have been his entire life.

 

[Ripcord]

One thing that we have to consider was that bam might not have been awake all that long while in the cave. It might have been years...decades.... or it might have been months at the most. Bam was in a cave, never went outside and might have simply not have any notion of time at all. So the time he knew rachel in the cave could have felt like an eternity for him but it could have been just a few months for rachel. Because those few months would have been his entire life.

I agree that Bam was not awake for that long. It’s hard to estimate time when you’re isolated.

 

[TheMoa]

One thing that we have to consider was that bam might not have been awake all that long while in the cave. It might have been years...decades.... or it might have been months at the most. Bam was in a cave, never went outside and might have simply not have any notion of time at all. So the time he knew rachel in the cave could have felt like an eternity for him but it could have been just a few months for rachel. Because those few months would have been his entire life.

I agree that his perception of time, being held alone in a cave, could very well be messed up. He was "born wrapped on darkness", maybe that's him sleeping/dead til the "right time".
But I don't believe that he was awake for only a few months. He got hurt climbing the rocks and recovered from it... Also, his hair at some point was very long, would his hair be growing when he was dead/dormant?
Also, Rachel taught him to talk, write and read, that's not a fast process and he was smaller on the flashback than on chapter 1

 

[Jammin]

I agree that his perception of time, being held alone in a cave, could very well be messed up. He was "born wrapped on darkness", maybe that's him sleeping/dead til the "right time".
But I don't believe that he was awake for only a few months. He got hurt climbing the rocks and recovered from it... Also, his hair at some point was very long, would his hair be growing when he was dead/dormant?
Also, Rachel taught him to talk, write and read, that's not a fast process and he was smaller on the flashback than on chapter 1

I would say it's more likely he's been down there not months or years but centuries.

Garam's information about Arlen was second hand. Like everything she learned had happened before, possibly long before, she learned of it. Few people even remember she or V existed. We all saw the ruins of Arlens hand. So Baam was probably born and died well over a thousand years before.

Time does flow differently in the tower too. Androssi and Anak are both at least 300 years old. So he could have been in the hole who knows long. In fact he could have been in the hole since the day he died. Maybe it was his grave.

 

[kkck]

I agree that his perception of time, being held alone in a cave, could very well be messed up. He was "born wrapped on darkness", maybe that's him sleeping/dead til the "right time".
But I don't believe that he was awake for only a few months. He got hurt climbing the rocks and recovered from it... Also, his hair at some point was very long, would his hair be growing when he was dead/dormant?
Also, Rachel taught him to talk, write and read, that's not a fast process and he was smaller on the flashback than on chapter 1

As far as reading and talking I was thinking there is a good chance bam learned that the same way as everything else, by devouring it. The hair is tricky though, it does suggest a long time passed.

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I would say it's more likely he's been down there not months or years but centuries.

Garam's information about Arlen was second hand. Like everything she learned had happened before, possibly long before, she learned of it. Few people even remember she or V existed. We all saw the ruins of Arlens hand. So Baam was probably born and died well over a thousand years before.

Time does flow differently in the tower too. Androssi and Anak are both at least 300 years old. So he could have been in the hole who knows long. In fact he could have been in the hole since the day he died. Maybe it was his grave.

Going by garam's accounts of events, arlen's story preceded even her. And she is about 5000 years old. Overall, we have no notion whatsoever of how long zahard's reign has been. But considering the princess conflict was apparently old even in her lifetime and going by lore zahard's journey precedes culture within the tower it is more than possible the empire is tens of thousands of years old. Only the strongest most long lived rankers from back then would remain nowadays. Bam could have been dead for tens of thousands of years.... or if time passage is different between places just a few years.

 

[LushuMine]

We know that Rachel got to meet Arlene, and we also know that Baam was alive at the time, due the Arlene's feedback about Baam told by Rachel. So it's almost certainly that Arlene is alive as Rachel and Baam. We also know that when a door is opened more than one person can enter through it, as we saw with Rachel/Baam, so maybe it's a way to go in and out the tower.

About the theory of Arlene being spplited in the 13 months it could make sense. We know that it was the first failed princess, but Arlene also could be the first Zahard princess in a distorted way to see the facts. But it would go against the infos I showed.