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Laxus and Gildarts both earned their spots, though to be honest, I see Laxus as just under Gildarts, to the point where it would be a 49/51 type of fight.

I think congratulations should also go to the Wizard Saints, coming collectively in second is amazing given how Hiro screwed them over. Though I suppose this might just be an indicator of how screwed over the other guilds were (looks at Crime Sorciere)...

Thanks a lot for running this @BluePegasus, this was (somehow) better than the last IMO.
How did they earn their spots

Laxus used pof to take out one springgan
Compare that to natsu who took three by himself and fh zeref.
Laxus achievements are kind of embarrassing compared to what natsu has done.

And best of gildart feats are around erza feat.

So i have no clue how one can say they earned that spot.
 

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How did they earn their spots

Laxus used pof to take out one springgan
Because said Spriggan was immune to his magic. If a normal Spriggan (basically, if their name isn't August, Irene or Larcade) isn't immune to his magic, they either get killed or severely injured. And no, I don't doubt that because that's straight from the mouth of August, the magic king. Oh, and keep in mind that the Ajeel feat was done when he was riddled with MBP's.
Compare that to natsu who took three by himself and fh zeref.
First of all, the scores were done pre-FH Zeref, so those feats don't mean anything here (though they wouldn't anyway, since Natsu had the biggest POF moment in Fairy Tail in that fight. Just as a note though, everything up until Flames of Savage Emotions is valid IMO, but even then I'm skeptical due to how inconsistent Natsu has been in this arc).
Laxus achievements are kind of embarrassing compared to what natsu has done.
That tends to happen when you hardly get any panel time. :heh

Even then though, Laxus has hype of casually one-shotting Spriggans from August and (at least in speed) being more or less on par with Jellal (you know, the guy who blitzed Dragon!Acnologia). And he has the feats to back this up too, be it wrecking Wahl after being cured of the MBP's or almost one-shotting Ajeel despite being infested with MBP's.
And best of gildart feats are around erza feat.
:notsure
Erza only stood a chance against Irene because Wendy was enchanting her and countering Irene's enchantments. Not to mention the fact that Irene was pretty much having an emotional breakdown as the fight happened. The second Irene went all out and turned into a dragon, one-shotted her with casual ease and then only suffered defeat because she decided to commit suicide. On the other hand, Gildarts actually performed pretty well against August, especially when you consider that the same August that murked all of CS at the same got blitzed by him (though to be fair, CS might have done this in the off-paneled section of their fight).
 

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IIRC correctly, I had Jellal below Natsu/Gildarts because of the beatdown from August. When we found out how OP August is, then I put him back with the others (this happened after the submissions). He would be a 10. Natsu infinity.

Laxus no.2... look fine but it's BS :nah (easily first).

Great work @BluePegasus this, and the S12 rate were really something.
 

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Because said Spriggan was immune to his magic. If a normal Spriggan (basically, if their name isn't August, Irene or Larcade) isn't immune to his magic, they either get killed or severely injured. And no, I don't doubt that because that's straight from the mouth of August, the magic king. Oh, and keep in mind that the Ajeel feat was done when he was riddled with MBP's.

First of all, the scores were done pre-FH Zeref, so those feats don't mean anything here (though they wouldn't anyway, since Natsu had the biggest POF moment in Fairy Tail in that fight. Just as a note though, everything up until Flames of Savage Emotions is valid IMO, but even then I'm skeptical due to how inconsistent Natsu has been in this arc).

That tends to happen when you hardly get any panel time. :heh

Even then though, Laxus has hype of casually one-shotting Spriggans from August and (at least in speed) being more or less on par with Jellal (you know, the guy who blitzed Dragon!Acnologia). And he has the feats to back this up too, be it wrecking Wahl after being cured of the MBP's or almost one-shotting Ajeel despite being infested with MBP's.

:notsure
Erza only stood a chance against Irene because Wendy was enchanting her and countering Irene's enchantments. Not to mention the fact that Irene was pretty much having an emotional breakdown as the fight happened. The second Irene went all out and turned into a dragon, one-shotted her with casual ease and then only suffered defeat because she decided to commit suicide. On the other hand, Gildarts actually performed pretty well against August, especially when you consider that the same August that murked all of CS at the same got blitzed by him (though to be fair, CS might have done this in the off-paneled section of their fight).
Someone said something. Laxus didnt earn that. And no your hypothetical scenario (or your wishes) hasnt happened either. So that doesnt go in anyones earnings either.
To earn something you have to do something. Laxus didnt.
Before fh zeref natsu still took out three springgans. One with pof.
Laxus took out one wahl with pof as well. Thats pretty much it.
:notsure
Inconsistent power level of natsu.
You believe laxus can causally one shot a springgan. And he hasnt taken any springgan other than wahl. In the whole freaking war. Infact he has been completely useless in the war except wahl thing. You dont find any inconsistency here

After wendy fell. Erza performed around gildart level without being enchanted. Before pof was used which she used to over power irene top tier move (something that laxus or gildart or august could never do, because it came directory from the Queen of dragon and mother of all dragon slayers mouth. Apparently this is good enough these days :teehee). Gildart pretty much did the same to non serious august other than any over powering. Non serious august who mind you was more worried about why his majesty child wasnt loved than fighting the old geezer:eyeroll
 
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Someone said something. Laxus didnt earn that. And no your hypothetical scenario (or your wishes) hasnt happened either. So that doesnt go in anyones earnings either.
To earn something you have to do something. Laxus didnt.
We have absolutely no reason to doubt August or Zeref though, and Laxus being able to casually one-shot Ajeel really isn't surprising when you consider he outright killed Wahl the moment he bypassed his immunity.
Before fh zeref natsu still took out three springgans. One with pof.
I'm guessing the three Spriggans you're talking about are Lessio, Neinhart and DiMaria. Let's have a look at these scenarios:

Lessio: He had a prolonged fight with him in base and had to go FDKM to one-shot him - valid
(Enhanced) Neinhart: As you said, he had POF here - valid but suspect
DiMaria - Partial E.N.D did this. Natsu can't access that power at will - invalid

So he beat two Spriggans, but one of them has one of the worst durability in the series + was POF'd and the other took multiple named spells from base Natsu + Lucy and still required an FDKM Demo Fist.

Compare this to Laxus killing Wahl the moment his immunity wasn't a factor and being hyped as able to casually kill/severely injure Ajeel. Natsu's feats don't stack up that well in comparison.
Laxus took out one wahl with pof as well. Thats pretty much it.
:notsure
Inconsistent power level of natsu.
You believe laxus can causally one shot a springgan. And he hasnt taken any springgan other than wahl. In the whole freaking war. Infact he has been completely useless in the war except wahl thing. You dont find any inconsistency here
He's been useless because he's hardly had any panel time. Laxus was pretty much kept out of the story to stop him from stomping any Spriggan (not named August, Irene or Larcade) he ran into. The same could be argued for Gildarts and Jellal. :-_-

While true that Laxus needed an asspull/POF to beat Wahl, that was only because Wahl was a direct counter to Laxus. It was the equivalent of putting Natsu up against God Serena.

Also LMFAO at suggesting Laxus is inconsistent. Amazingly enough, Laxus has been among the most consistent characters of the arc, both in hype and feats. At the start of the arc he was basically hyped to one-shot/severely injure Spriggans if he casually nuked them, despite being infested with MBP's. Keep in mind, these words come from the magic king, so there's no reason to doubt them, especially since he wouldn't gain anything from lying about this. He then goes on to fight Wahl in Hargeon, one-shotting and killing him the moment he bypasses his immunity and is free of MBP's. This is pretty damn consistent and makes the Ajeel hype look pretty plausible, since the difference between KO'ing and killing is massive, and the difference in performance against Ajeel and Wahl was caused by the MBP's. After this he fights Historia Hades and wins, despite being half-dead. All of this shows off his power, endurance and, more to the point, consistency.
Before pof was used which she used to over power irene top tier move (something that laxus or gildart or august could never do, because it came directory from the Queen of dragon and mother of all dragon slayers mouth. Apparently this is good enough these days :teehee).
Gildarts could easily crash Deus Sema, his entire magic is built around destroying objects. And as for Laxus, a few bolts of lightning should destroy Deus Sema. At the end of the day, the dangerous part of Sema/Deus Sema is the blast wave, not the meteor itself, since (as Erza showed) you can destroy it before it lands. And while yes Erza did have POF, a serious Gildarts/Laxus should be far more powerful than a crippled Erza with POF.
Gildart pretty much did the same to non serious august other than any over powering. Non serious august who mind you was more worried about why his majesty child wasnt loved than fighting the old geezer:eyeroll
It's true that August was pretty lax against Gildarts, but the big difference is about the nature of August's magic in comparison to the nature of human Irene's enchantments. Whilst enchantments can be annoying, they can be dodged and don't stop an enemy from damaging their target. On the other hand, August's copying/nullifying magic basically turns the fight into a stomp as the enemy's magic is useless whilst August can use his spells and is a beast in CQC.

What I'm trying to say is that while giving human Irene some trouble is impressive, it's not easy to compare it to not getting stomped by August, as human Irene and August are vastly different types of foes. Human Irene is simply strong, August is stronger, immune to anything you throw at him that isn't holder magic, has incredible CQC skills and has immense durability.
 

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how the hell is Wizard Saints is in the second Place??? considering their pathetic performance :yodawg:yodawg
 

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We have absolutely no reason to doubt August or Zeref though, and Laxus being able to casually one-shot Ajeel really isn't surprising when you consider he outright killed Wahl the moment he bypassed his immunity.

I'm guessing the three Spriggans you're talking about are Lessio, Neinhart and DiMaria. Let's have a look at these scenarios:

Lessio: He had a prolonged fight with him in base and had to go FDKM to one-shot him - valid
(Enhanced) Neinhart: As you said, he had POF here - valid but suspect
DiMaria - Partial E.N.D did this. Natsu can't access that power at will - invalid

So he beat two Spriggans, but one of them has one of the worst durability in the series + was POF'd and the other took multiple named spells from base Natsu + Lucy and still required an FDKM Demo Fist.

Compare this to Laxus killing Wahl the moment his immunity wasn't a factor and being hyped as able to casually kill/severely injure Ajeel. Natsu's feats don't stack up that well in comparison.

He's been useless because he's hardly had any panel time. Laxus was pretty much kept out of the story to stop him from stomping any Spriggan (not named August, Irene or Larcade) he ran into. The same could be argued for Gildarts and Jellal. :-_-

While true that Laxus needed an asspull/POF to beat Wahl, that was only because Wahl was a direct counter to Laxus. It was the equivalent of putting Natsu up against God Serena.

Also LMFAO at suggesting Laxus is inconsistent. Amazingly enough, Laxus has been among the most consistent characters of the arc, both in hype and feats. At the start of the arc he was basically hyped to one-shot/severely injure Spriggans if he casually nuked them, despite being infested with MBP's. Keep in mind, these words come from the magic king, so there's no reason to doubt them, especially since he wouldn't gain anything from lying about this. He then goes on to fight Wahl in Hargeon, one-shotting and killing him the moment he bypasses his immunity and is free of MBP's. This is pretty damn consistent and makes the Ajeel hype look pretty plausible, since the difference between KO'ing and killing is massive, and the difference in performance against Ajeel and Wahl was caused by the MBP's. After this he fights Historia Hades and wins, despite being half-dead. All of this shows off his power, endurance and, more to the point, consistency.

Gildarts could easily crash Deus Sema, his entire magic is built around destroying objects. And as for Laxus, a few bolts of lightning should destroy Deus Sema. At the end of the day, the dangerous part of Sema/Deus Sema is the blast wave, not the meteor itself, since (as Erza showed) you can destroy it before it lands. And while yes Erza did have POF, a serious Gildarts/Laxus should be far more powerful than a crippled Erza with POF.

It's true that August was pretty lax against Gildarts, but the big difference is about the nature of August's magic in comparison to the nature of human Irene's enchantments. Whilst enchantments can be annoying, they can be dodged and don't stop an enemy from damaging their target. On the other hand, August's copying/nullifying magic basically turns the fight into a stomp as the enemy's magic is useless whilst August can use his spells and is a beast in CQC.

What I'm trying to say is that while giving human Irene some trouble is impressive, it's not easy to compare it to not getting stomped by August, as human Irene and August are vastly different types of foes. Human Irene is simply strong, August is stronger, immune to anything you throw at him that isn't holder magic, has incredible CQC skills and has immense durability.
Again difference between earning something and someone just hyping him.
Laxus didnt earn shit.
At the end laxus didnt do shit. He earned shit. You think he can one shot aconologia and zeref at the same time, ok. But its not in the manga. So dont say he earned it.

If you actually compared it laxus red lightening. Then add pof and how wahl immunity works. That is he extra vulnerable to lightening. He is only immune to lightening because he channel the lightening for offence. Technical a lightening that he cant use would be extra effective on him.
Add also the serious pis wahl was suffering so that laxus could get a free shot which due to plot killed him.

If you want to say laxus earned it. Then show what he has done. Not say he almost one shot though actually he didnt even scratch ajeel.
And stop acting as if u know what mbp caused. Other than allowing one or two free hits on laxus.
Lol. Wahl vs laxus was like erza vs koyoka. No matter what happens the good guys had to win. And thats pretty much it.
In the manga world no one is even gonna mention laxus anymorr than gajeel or hell even mirajane. Because that is how useful he was.

At the end of the day you know nothing about dues sema, nor about a meteor. Gildart cant crash irene magic anymore than erza can cut right through aconologia most strongest magical attack.
Few hits from laxus and his entire life might stop deus sema. But it not gonna happen. Irene has no reason to lie.

So stop wanking laxus and gildart. And clearly state how they have earned the positions.
What has they done which is so unique that natsu cant do. Or erza cant do? Keep plot in mind (you know exactly how laxus had a forced win. That)
That is all i ask. I.am not asking what you believe, because i know quite well
 

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We have absolutely no reason to doubt August or Zeref though, and Laxus being able to casually one-shot Ajeel really isn't surprising when you consider he outright killed Wahl the moment he bypassed his immunity.

I'm guessing the three Spriggans you're talking about are Lessio, Neinhart and DiMaria. Let's have a look at these scenarios:

Lessio: He had a prolonged fight with him in base and had to go FDKM to one-shot him - valid
(Enhanced) Neinhart: As you said, he had POF here - valid but suspect
DiMaria - Partial E.N.D did this. Natsu can't access that power at will - invalid

So he beat two Spriggans, but one of them has one of the worst durability in the series + was POF'd and the other took multiple named spells from base Natsu + Lucy and still required an FDKM Demo Fist.

Compare this to Laxus killing Wahl the moment his immunity wasn't a factor and being hyped as able to casually kill/severely injure Ajeel. Natsu's feats don't stack up that well in comparison.

He's been useless because he's hardly had any panel time. Laxus was pretty much kept out of the story to stop him from stomping any Spriggan (not named August, Irene or Larcade) he ran into. The same could be argued for Gildarts and Jellal. :-_-

While true that Laxus needed an asspull/POF to beat Wahl, that was only because Wahl was a direct counter to Laxus. It was the equivalent of putting Natsu up against God Serena.

Also LMFAO at suggesting Laxus is inconsistent. Amazingly enough, Laxus has been among the most consistent characters of the arc, both in hype and feats. At the start of the arc he was basically hyped to one-shot/severely injure Spriggans if he casually nuked them, despite being infested with MBP's. Keep in mind, these words come from the magic king, so there's no reason to doubt them, especially since he wouldn't gain anything from lying about this. He then goes on to fight Wahl in Hargeon, one-shotting and killing him the moment he bypasses his immunity and is free of MBP's. This is pretty damn consistent and makes the Ajeel hype look pretty plausible, since the difference between KO'ing and killing is massive, and the difference in performance against Ajeel and Wahl was caused by the MBP's. After this he fights Historia Hades and wins, despite being half-dead. All of this shows off his power, endurance and, more to the point, consistency.

Gildarts could easily crash Deus Sema, his entire magic is built around destroying objects. And as for Laxus, a few bolts of lightning should destroy Deus Sema. At the end of the day, the dangerous part of Sema/Deus Sema is the blast wave, not the meteor itself, since (as Erza showed) you can destroy it before it lands. And while yes Erza did have POF, a serious Gildarts/Laxus should be far more powerful than a crippled Erza with POF.

It's true that August was pretty lax against Gildarts, but the big difference is about the nature of August's magic in comparison to the nature of human Irene's enchantments. Whilst enchantments can be annoying, they can be dodged and don't stop an enemy from damaging their target. On the other hand, August's copying/nullifying magic basically turns the fight into a stomp as the enemy's magic is useless whilst August can use his spells and is a beast in CQC.

What I'm trying to say is that while giving human Irene some trouble is impressive, it's not easy to compare it to not getting stomped by August, as human Irene and August are vastly different types of foes. Human Irene is simply strong, August is stronger, immune to anything you throw at him that isn't holder magic, has incredible CQC skills and has immense durability.
Don't waste ur time he thinks laxus isn't spriggan lvl :cookiehand
 

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All this salt from Sharkai :kreygasm:pjsalt:pjsalt:pjsalt

Someone needs to close this thread before he dries up the ocean with all this salt man :heh

Laxus finishing second is aight. Just finishing above BND is enough for me. I also think the Baram Alliance power rate that my boy @Emperor Spriggan came up with is a good idea.
Don't waste ur time he thinks laxus isn't spriggan lvl :cookiehand
:yodawg
Laxus no.2... look fine but it's BS :nah (easily first).
:coolstory

EDIT: @**Salty**, you and @sharkai need to swap names man:3c (credits for this joke go to @Zeref Spriggan).:hee
 
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Don't waste ur time he thinks laxus isn't spriggan lvl :cookiehand
Lieing wont get you anywhere man:cookiestare
You should be more worried whether laxus out performs cobra in this last fight

I do believe laxus is springgan tier
But unlike you i dont believe laxus can solo 10 springgan at the same time
Or believe ajeel is stronger than erza. And laxus can one shot ajeel casually thus
laxus >>>>>>>>>>>>>> erza
Because i believe there should be a limit to stupidity, you know

Beside i am not asking him whether he believes laxus can one shot aconologia plus fh zeref or not. I am asking him why he used the term earned his place. With out doing half as much as erza or natsu.
My problem is with the word earn. Nothing else
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All this salt from Sharkai :kreygasm:pjsalt:pjsalt:pjsalt

Someone needs to close this thread before he dries up the ocean with all this salt man :heh

Laxus finishing second is aight. Just finishing above BND is enough for me. I also think the Baram Alliance power rate that my boy @Emperor Spriggan came up with is a good idea.

:yodawg

:coolstory

EDIT: @salty, you and @sharkai need to swap names man:3c (credits for this joke go to @Zeref Spriggan).:hee
Lol. Why would i be salty mate
I know what this is
The op of this thread clearly says he doesnt use pof
And then gave erza a 7. Which is perfectly good.
And then went out to give gray a 10 :fail
You know gray who without pof couldnt do anything to invel.

I am more salty the way the manga is ending though :emocat
 

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Lieing wont get you anywhere man:cookiestare
You should be more worried whether laxus out performs cobra in this last fight

I do believe laxus is springgan tier
But unlike you i dont believe laxus can solo 10 springgan at the same time
Or believe ajeel is stronger than erza. And laxus can one shot ajeel casually thus
laxus >>>>>>>>>>>>>> erza
Because i believe there should be a limit to stupidity, you know

Beside i am not asking him whether he believes laxus can one shot aconologia plus fh zeref or not. I am asking him why he used the term earned his place. With out doing half as much as erza or natsu.
My problem is with the word earn. Nothing else
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Lol. Why would i be salty mate
I know what this is
The op of this thread clearly says he doesnt use pof
And then gave erza a 7. Which is perfectly good.
And then went out to give gray a 10 :fail
You know gray who without pof couldnt do anything to invel.

I am more salty the way the manga is ending though :emocat
Cool story bro half of what u said i have never that. But It's seem that ur upset that My boy laxus is above ur precious erza :3c it's ok sometimes we get a lil salty when our fav isn't the best :cheez
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Top 3 should've been like this :hip:


without natsu being counted, cuz he's too OP of co :/
It would have been cool if we could see mystogan one more time he was a cool character sucks he lack feats my man would be competing with laxus and jellal?
 

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Did Sharkai just try and insult someone's intelligence? :notsure

As for the power rankings, they came out well nothing too crazy. Erza was in her place while I did expect Jellal to slide in the top 3 since the voting was done before Natsu vs Zeref, but other than that it was good.
 

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Cool story bro half of what u said i have never that. But It's seem that ur upset that My boy laxus is above ur precious erza :3c it's ok sometimes we get a lil salty when our fav isn't the best :cheez
Nice try kid

Took those words from my mouth my friend laxus low diff dimaria and her overrated time seal high mp>hax. Laxus stops at lacade high diff.he extreme low-low diff every1 else it's a toss up between him and god serena but get mid diff by Irene and august
Laxus couldnt even low low diff non serious natsu in ff arc. Only person he ever low diff was individual memeber of raven tail.
Not even torufusa, laxus had to use a high tier attack on him. And that still didnt ko him at all

Normally i have problem forgetting abnormal wanks. I apologise for that

Beside right now erza is the second best. Cannonically. With the most outrageous feats under belt. Fans might not like it but alas

The fan favourite is only riding on hype train while everyone else hype train has long crashed and burned. :teehee

Poor @MLG Bradman cant even defend his words. I guess he doesnt have much to go on other than nuke hype. Lol
 

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Poor @MLG Bradman cant even defend his words. I guess he doesnt have much to go on other than nuke hype. Lol
Or I actually had IRL stuff to do.

I was actually going to apologise for the late reply but if you're going to be this petty I don't see why I should. My next reply will be my last, I'm not a fan of being called out for not defending my arguments when half of your logic is "Hype doesn't count at all", because while I agree that hype shouldn't count more than feats and that hype should always be carefully examined, the hype I'm showing you was supplied by enemies of his that have no reason to wank him.

Also, the accusation that I'm wanking Laxus or Gildarts is pretty funny considering I don't particularly like either of them (Laxus is too macho for me and Gildarts just feels like a plot device with a "cool" personality IMO). As I said above though, I'll make a more in-depth post later.
 

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Nice try kid


Laxus couldnt even low low diff non serious natsu in ff arc. Only person he ever low diff was individual memeber of raven tail.
Not even torufusa, laxus had to use a high tier attack on him. And that still didnt ko him at all

Normally i have problem forgetting abnormal wanks. I apologise for that

Beside right now erza is the second best. Cannonically. With the most outrageous feats under belt. Fans might not like it but alas

The fan favourite is only riding on hype train while everyone else hype train has long crashed and burned. :teehee

Poor @MLG Bradman cant even defend his words. I guess he doesnt have much to go on other than nuke hype. Lol
Still cant go a single comment without trashing Laxus or wanking Erza?

It was Tempester buddy, and LD Jaw is mid tier. Roaring Thunder and Fairy Law were his high tier attacks.

Erza had all her bones broken by a single casual claw swipe from Eileen lol, right now even Cobra has better feats than Erza :fan
 

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Still cant go a single comment without trashing Laxus or wanking Erza?

It was Tempester buddy, and LD Jaw is mid tier. Roaring Thunder and Fairy Law were his high tier attacks.

Erza had all her bones broken by a single casual claw swipe from Eileen lol, right now even Cobra has better feats than Erza :fan
what feats Cobra has? guy has done nothing but being stomped twice by the two strongest guys in the universe (August.Acnologia) yeah cobra endurance is top tier...

Irene Dragon Claw---->Acnologia Kick
 

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about time you returned.

where have you been???

Gildarts being the first ain't surprising.

though I don't get it.

Jella won against Laxus in the tournament last year.

in this ranking they both had the same feats like they did in the tournament but Laxus is now ahead of him in votes.

whaaaaaat???
 
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what feats Cobra has? guy has done nothing but being stomped twice by the two strongest guys in the universe (August.Acnologia) yeah cobra endurance is top tier...

Irene Dragon Claw---->Acnologia Kick
August got blown away and screamed like a schoolgirl when Cana's cards hit him. Then he immediately sacrificed his own life out of desperation.
 
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