Discussion Earth Land Mages Rate - THE ULTIMATE POWER RANKING [BIG FINALE + STATISTICS]

[BluePegasus]

STATISTICS

Spoiler: Alakitasia ranking

1). Irene Belserion - 12,200
6). Larcade Dragneel - 10,683
7). DiMaria Yesta - 10,667
9). God Serena - 10,017
11). Brandish μ - 9,533
12). Bloodman - 9,300
15). Invel Yura - 9,117
16). Wall Eehto - 9,017
18). Ajeel Ramal - 8,383
19). Jacob Lessio - 8,183
24). Neinhart - 7,450
Average: 9,504545

Spoiler: Ishgar ranking

2). Natsu Dragneel - 11,750
3). Gildarts Clive - 11,583
4). Laxus Dreyar - 11,167
5). Jellal Fernandes - 11,100
8). Erza Scarlet - 10,083
10). Gray Fullbuster - 9,950
13). Gajeel Redfox - 9,267
14). Sting Eucliffe - 9,233
17). TO Sherria Blendy - 8,850
20). Mard Geer - 8,167
21). Mirajane Strauss - 7,983
22). Precht Gaebolg - 7,917
23). Lucy Heartfilia - 7,733
25). Future Rogue Cheney - 7,383
26). Kagura Mikazuchi - 7,333
27). Wendy Marvell - 7,033
28). Silver Fullbuster - 6,750
29). Minerva Orland - 6,683
30). Kyoka - 6,550
31). Ultear Milkovich - 6,283
32). Rogue Cheney - 6,233
33). Erik “Cobra” - 5,983
34). Macbeth “Midnight” - 5,950
35). Arlock - 5,850
36). Lyon Vastia - 5,067
37). Cana Alberona - 4,867
38). Elfman Strauss - 4,483
Average: 7,82337

The winning continent is..

Spoiler

Alakitasia

Spoiler: Guild ranking

Spriggan Twelve
1). Irene Belserion - 12,200
6). Larcade Dragneel - 10,683
7). DiMaria Yesta - 10,667
9). God Serena - 10,017
11). Brandish μ - 9,533
12). Bloodman - 9,300
15). Invel Yura - 9,117
16). Wall Eehto - 9,017
18). Ajeel Ramal - 8,383
19). Jacob Lessio - 8,183
24). Neinhart - 7,450
Average: 9,504545

Fairy Tail
2). Natsu Dragneel - 11,750
3). Gildarts Clive - 11,583
4). Laxus Dreyar - 11,167
8). Erza Scarlet - 10,083
10). Gray Fullbuster - 9,950
13). Gajeel Redfox - 9,267
21). Mirajane Strauss - 7,983
23). Lucy Heartfilia - 7,733
27). Wendy Marvell - 7,033
37). Cana Alberona - 4,867
38). Elfman Strauss - 4.483
Average: 8,718091

Sabertooth
14). Sting Eucliffe - 9,233
25). Future Rogue Cheney - 7,383
29). Minerva Orland - 6,683
32). Rogue Cheney - 6,233
Average: 7,383

Crime Sorciere
5). Jellal Fernandes - 11,100
31). Ultear Milkovich - 6,283
33). Erik “Cobra" - 5,983
34). Macbeth “Midnight” - 5,950
Average: 7,329

Lamia Scale
17). Sherria Blendy - 8,850
36) Lyon Vastia - 5,067
Average: 6,9585

Mermaid Heel
26). Kagura Mikazuchi - 7,333
Average: 7,333

Tartaros
20). Mard Geer - 8,167
28). Silver Fullbuster - 6,750
30). Kyoka - 6,550
Average: 7,155667

Grimoire Heart
22). Precht Gaebolg - 7,917
Average: 7,917

Avatar
35). Arlock - 5,850
Average: 5,850

(Balam Alliance
20). Mard Geer - 8,167
22). Precht Gaebolg - 7,917
28). Silver Fullbuster - 6,750
30). Kyoka - 6,550
Average: 7,346)

Most 13's
1). Natsu x 11
2). Irene x 10
3). Gildarts x 4
4). Larcade x 2
5). Laxus x 1, DiMaria x 1, Lucy x 1

 

[Gryffindor]

Well that was one heck of a ride, wasn't it? Here is the full list with links to the elimination posts in case anyone ever feels like checking them out again.

[post=4599653] 1) Irene Belserion-12.200[/post]
[post=4599652] 2) Natsu Dragneel-11.750[/post]
[post=4599651] 3) Gildarts Clive-11.583[/post]
[post=4598583] 4) Laxus Dreyar-11.167[/post]
[post=4597382] 5) Jellal Fernandes-11.100[/post]
[post=4597225] 6) Larcade Dragneel-10.683[/post]
[post=4596413] 7) DiMaria Yesta-10.667[/post]
[post=4595925] 8) Erza Scarlet-10.083[/post]
[post=4595453] 9) God Serena-10.017[/post]
[post=4595191] 10) Gray Fullbuster-9.950[/post]
[post=4594738] 11) Brandish µ-9.533[/post]
[post=4593900] 12) Bradman-9.300[/post]
[post=4593439] 13) Gajeel Redfox-9.267[/post]
[post=4593248] 14) Sting Eucliffe-9.233[/post]
[post=4592900] 15) Invel Yura-9.117[/post]
[post=4592813] 16) Wall Eehto-9.017[/post]
[post=4592320] 17) Sherria Blendy-8.850[/post]
[post=4591927] 18) Ajeel Ramal-8.383[/post]
[post=4591726] 19) Jacob Lessio-8.183[/post]
[post=4591475] 20) Mard Geer-8.167[/post]
[post=4591231] 21) Mirajane Strauss-7.983[/post]
[post=4591204] 22) Precht Gaebolg-7.917[/post]
[post=4591058] 23) Lucy Heartfilia-7.733[/post]
[post=4590919] 24) Neinhart-7.450[/post]
[post=4590697] 25) Future Rogue Cheney-7.383[/post]
[post=4590248] 26) Kagura Mikazuchi-7.333[/post]
[post=4590163] 27) Wendy Marvell-7.033[/post]
[post=4589984] 28) Silver Fullbuster-6.750[/post]
[post=4589777] 29) Minerva Orland-6.683[/post]
[post=4589556] 30) Kyoka-6.550[/post]
[post=4589279] 31) Ultear Milkovich-6.283[/post]
[post=4589053] 32) Rogue Cheney-6.233[/post]
[post=4589013] 33) Erik "Cobra"-5.983[/post]
[post=4588937] 34) Macbeth "Midnight"-5.950[/post]
[post=4588113] 35) Arlock-5.850[/post]
[post=4587925] 36) Lyon Vastia-5.067[/post]
[post=4587728] 37) Cana Alberona-4.867[/post]
[post=4587607] 38) Elfman Strauss-4.483[/post]​

 

[Ebony Maw]

Before I end this rate officially, I just want to thank everyone who took part in it.

Thank you to everyone who voted, and even to those who didn't, the discussion in this thread has been incredibly interesting and outright entertaining.

Big thanks to my fellow hosts @BluePegasus, @Emperor Spriggan and @Gryffindor, you guys really upped your game in this rating and it wouldn't have been possible without you. The same goes to @Brandish @DiMaria Yesta @Crescent_jinxgrace @Takuan @~Charging Lightning~ and @Belserion, you all did fantastic posts!

And in general I want to thank the mods for making this run so smoothly, I know for a fact that this thread easily could have turned to chaos without their intervention. In particular I want to thank @Brandish for sticky-ing the thread, this thread wouldn't have been anywhere near as active if it wasn't for you.

I hope everyone enjoyed that the rate, as now....

This poster was made by @Valhalla777, big thanks to him!

THE EARTH LAND MAGES RATE IS OFFICIALLY OVER!​

 

[Demon Hunter]

didn't Wendy got no diffed by this guy

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[**Silver**]

The logic is that they both actually fought him and one was praised while the other was slapped to the ground. When did August fight Acnologia again ?

you know the moment when Acnologia one-shotted God Serena and walked away....

 

[Berty]

you know the moment when Acnologia one-shotted God Serena and walked away....

He was standing there, he didn't witness his magic at all nor did they fight.

 

[**Silver**]

He was standing there, he didn't witness his magic at all nor did they fight.

what acnologia sensed 7 Dragon Slayer from miles away so acnologia cant determine that August is monster... yeah right

where is the logic?? Acnologia cant sense August magic power???.... how Irene is any different???

Acnologia should be able to sense August hidden potential and Magicpower....

 

[Berty]

what acnologia sensed 7 Dragon Slayer from miles away so acnologia cant determine that August is monster... yeah right

where is the logic?? Acnologia cant sense August magic power???.... how Irene is any different???

Honestly this is a terrible argument. He acknowleged her power in COMBAT. He wasn't talking about her MP. Acnologia couldn't care less about August he's not a dragon slayer and he wasn't standing in his way like Irene was. Why would he care if he's a monster or not ?

 

[Nemispelled]

Wait, you're making it sound as if Wendy + Erza is a weak combo. Erza literally has one of the best offences in the series, and Wendy was boosting that even more.
Wendy + Erza >> Laxus
That's practically a fact by now. So Irene having difficulty in a fight like that WITH PIS involved isn't as pathetic as you make it seem...

Erza + Base Wendy is not a weak combo, I completely agree you.

But is it Top 3? Not even close, in my opinion.


Wendy in her base form isn't that strong. She couldn't even stand in Bluenote's gravity at the beginning of Alvarez Arc.

Erza isn't anything exceptional either, when you compare her to the likes of Natsu, Gildartz, Laxus, Gray, Gajeel, WSDM Sting, and most of the Spriggans.


The fact that Irene struggled against Erza + Base Wendy tells me she is not Top 3 in Earthland.

There were many characters who could easily hold their own against Spriggans.

PIS is kinda irrelevant to me because that applies to everybody.

 

[Jko]

I don't exactly know how people would define "power level".

Clearly, Erza and Wendy had sufficient power to take down Irene had she not transformed into a dragon. So would that be considered greater power or less power than Irene?

If Erza and Wendy did not have enough power, they wouldn't have been able to severely damage Irene.

Again, feats take precedence over any hype.

So I don't see how Irene has "greater power" when all it took was Erza + Base Wendy power to take her down.

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Yeah, I heard PIS many times. It doesn't help that it applies to almost every single villain in this series.

I don't see how Irene would have "stomped them" if she remained in her Human Form.

The only magic she has is enchantment magic. And Wendy was able to cancel out all of her enchantments, rendering her magic useless.

Without PIS, Human Irene would not be able to use any magic and Erza would have defeated her with a DS-enchanted sword slash.

"Without PIS, Human Irene would not be able to use any magic"

The hell? Without PIS Erza and Wendy would be chairs. Five or so fodder that Irene enhanced (beserkers) overpowered Erza. Erza would've been merked if Irene actually took the fight seriously and wasn't held back by PIS and POF.

Wendy was not able to cancel out all of Irene's enchantments. Wendy already admitted so in the actual fight. Wendy only canceled out her baby magic, she could not mess with any of Irene's actual spells. Irene is a high enchanter while Wendy is only an enchanter. High Enchanter >>>>>>>>>>>> Enchanter.

Irene also beat the heck out of Erza in just Wendy's body lmao.

Irene would smash those two if she wasn't held back by plot.

 

[Seven777]

@Seven777

@MonkeyD-Dragon

This was the conversation


Now Seven give me huge bucks for my effort in finding it among so many posts.

Ha, i would, but i already went and found it myself earlier. If you were only a little quicker i wouldve made you a billionaire.

 

[Takuan]

Stop.Overhyping.Laxus. He was pitifully knocked out by a casual swipe from Acnologia like an insect. At least Irene was actually praised for her magical prowess when she faced off for him. Laxus is absolutely not stronger than Irene. Her fight against Erza and Wendy was simply PIS and POF. Like Laxus vs Wahl might I add.

I didn't know being knocked out by Acno was a proof of one's weakness.
Yes, he indeed praised her magic type, i won't deny that her magic is more interesting than an electric DS magic. But just like when August praised Midnight for his interesting magic, it doesn't mean much at the end of the day.
I won't deny that there was an absurd amount of PiS and PoF in Irene's fight, just like in most if not all of the Spriggans fights. I don't see how that proves that she's so obviously superior to Laxus.
Everyone is entitled to his opinion.

 

[Berty]

Erza isn't anything exceptional either, when you compare her to the likes of Natsu, Gildartz, Laxus, Gray, Gajeel, WSDM Sting, and most of the Spriggans.

This statement is mostly opionion. Fear wise, Erza is wayyy past Gajeel and WSDM Sting ( who was strong because of Rogue's magic & Kagura's gravity ).

However, you're entitled to your opinion about the Wendy + Erza thing. Personally, I find the combo to be a tier or two below August and Eileen but still among the top 4 - if you include Natsu.

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I didn't know being knocked out by Acno was a proof of one's weakness.
Yes, he indeed praised her magic type, i won't deny that her magic is more interesting than an electric DS magic. But just like when August praised Midnight for his interesting magic, it doesn't mean much at the end of the day.
I won't deny that there was an absurd amount of PiS and PoF in Irene's fight, just like in most if not all of the Spriggans fights. I don't see how that proves that she's so obviously superior to Laxus.
Everyone is entitled to his opinion.

It's a weakness when you scale into to the person he's " stronger than ".
He praised her skill and her mastery of enchantment, not her magic type
I guess one could consider it an opinion, but Laxus has shown no feats to put him at that level. The speculation that he is, is exactly that ; speculation.

 

[Takuan]

It's a weakness when you scale into to the person he's " stronger than ".
He praised her skill and her mastery of enchantment, not her magic type
I guess one could consider it an opinion, but Laxus has shown no feats to put him at that level. The speculation that he is, is exactly that ; speculation.

Well, i'll admit it, i'm mostly speculating. Laxus vs Irene didnt happen canonically, so yes, this is indeed a speculation.
We haven't seen a lot from Laxus to be fair, but im basing my speculation on the fact that he could casually oneshot a Spriggan (based on August's words), and he actually canonically oneshot the Spriggan he had to fight. Red Lightning received a fair amount of hate that i can understand, but facts are that the moment Laxus was cured from his illness (that illness was the only thing keeping Wahl alive for that long), he oneshot the Spriggan.
Also the fact that despite that huge illness, he was still fighting Wahl for a while. Wahl had to resort to his Battle Mode. What im saying is that yeah, PiS was obviously present to counterbalance the illness. But coming from Wahl's onw words, Laxus shouldnt even be alive and fighting, and yet his magic power was still top tier within FT.
With all that being said, i have to ask you a question. Get back to Erza and Wendy vs Laxus and find one attack from Human Irene that can put down Laxus, when that illness (that grew for a whole year) didnt put him down and only lowered him to mid tier Spriggan level.

 

[Nemispelled]

"Without PIS, Human Irene would not be able to use any magic"

The hell? Without PIS Erza and Wendy would be chairs. Five or so fodder that Irene enhanced (beserkers) overpowered Erza. Erza would've been merked if Irene actually took the fight seriously and wasn't held back by PIS and POF.

Wendy was not able to cancel out all of Irene's enchantments. Wendy already admitted so in the actual fight. Wendy only canceled out her baby magic, she could not mess with any of Irene's actual spells.

We have proof that Wendy could cancel out Irene's enchantments.

There was never such a thing about Irene turning Wendy and Erza into chairs...


Wendy easily canceled out all of Irene's spells whenever she tried. It wasn't just "baby magic". It was actual spells that she reversed. That was proven clearly by panels in the manga.

Irene is a high enchanter while Wendy is only an enchanter. High Enchanter >>>>>>>>>>>> Enchanter.

Well then, I guess the "high enchanter" (Irene) had her spells easily reversed by a mere enchanter (Wendy).

There is canonic evidence of Wendy replicating and reversing Irene's enchantments.

Irene also beat the heck out of Erza in just Wendy's body lmao.

Irene would smash those two if she wasn't held back by plot.

Yeah, and Wendy humiliated Irene in her own body too by nullifying all her spells with ease.

I guess Wendy's body is just plain superior, wouldn't you say?

 

[Jko]

Irene terraformed a fudging country, held that enchantment, and kept Acno at bay longer than a Lapse in Time. No one in FT bar EoS Natsu had that impressive of an attack. Stop underrating Irene bcs of a BS fight with Erza and Wendy. If she was fighting them like she fought Acno they would be dead. They lucky she only distorted and compressed Fiore.

 

[Nemispelled]

Irene terraformed a fudging country, held that enchantment, and kept Acno at bay longer than a Lapse in Time. No one in FT bar EoS Natsu had that impressive of an attack. Stop underrating Irene bcs of a BS fight with Erza and Wendy. If she was fighting them like she fought Acno they would be dead. They lucky she only distorted and compressed Fiore.

Holding the enchantment isn't a significant feat.

And last time I checked, Christina and Jellal kept Dragon Acnologia at bay longer than the timelapse as well. I suppose Irene has the power equivalent to an airship then?


Keep in mind Dragon Acnologia was trying to chase/kill Christina and Jellal while being kept at bay.

With Irene, he only cared for a small talk between civilized humans.

 

[Asorx]

I agree with @Jko. Irene is monster. They only win against her in human form because of overpowered loli.

 

[Jko]

We have proof that Wendy could cancel out Irene's enchantments.

There was never such a thing about Irene turning Wendy and Erza into chairs...


Wendy easily canceled out all of Irene's spells whenever she tried. It wasn't just "baby magic". It was actual spells that she reversed. That was proven clearly by panels in the manga.




Well then, I guess the "high enchanter" (Irene) had her spells easily reversed by a mere enchanter (Wendy).

There is canonic evidence of Wendy replicating and reversing Irene's enchantments.




Yeah, and Wendy humiliated Irene in her own body too by nullifying all her spells with ease.

I guess Wendy's body is just plain superior, wouldn't you say?

She cancelled two or three of Irene's enchantments she didn't cancel out any of her strong enchantments. So yea it was her baby magic.

I don't need a feat of her doing it on them bcs she has already shown to manipulate matter which means they would've been chairs.

Nope. Irene was surprised at Wendy's aptitude for enchantments.

And there's a canon statement of Wendy admitting Irene's enchantments are way too much for her.

Wendy beat Irene bcs she was inside a top tier S12 that was a fudging Dragon while Irene was inside a child. Big difference in MP is how Wendy beat out Wendy Belserion.

Wendy's body was inferior to Irene's. So no, Irene was just all around superior and was held back by plot so she wouldn't kill two main protagonists.

 

[Berty]

Well, i'll admit it, i'm mostly speculating. Laxus vs Irene didnt happen canonically, so yes, this is indeed a speculation.
We haven't seen a lot from Laxus to be fair, but im basing my speculation on the fact that he could casually oneshot a Spriggan (based on August's words), and he actually canonically oneshot the Spriggan he had to fight. Red Lightning received a fair amount of hate that i can understand, but facts are that the moment Laxus was cured from his illness (that illness was the only thing keeping Wahl alive for that long), he oneshot the Spriggan.
Also the fact that despite that huge illness, he was still fighting Wahl for a while. Wahl had to resort to his Battle Mode. What im saying is that yeah, PiS was obviously present to counterbalance the illness. But coming from Wahl's onw words, Laxus shouldnt even be alive and fighting, and yet his magic power was still top tier within FT.
With all that being said, i have to ask you a question. Get back to Erza and Wendy vs Laxus and find one attack from Human Irene that can put down Laxus, when that illness (that grew for a whole year) didnt put him down and only lowered him to mid tier Spriggan level.

Okay I really don't like the Laxus one-shot argument because so many people disagree but let's say he would've. Ajeel's defence really wasn't anything spectacular and since I consider Laxus to be mid Spriggan tier he should be capable of such a feat. However, he still doesn't have a chance against Irene. She can nullify his attacks by enchanting herself as she did to Neinhart, she can create multiple atmospheric enchantments ( that pushed back Acnologia & was casted with ease ) and spam Laxus with those. Hell, she could enchant multiple rocks with magic like she did with Juliet and Hyne ( nothing said she couldn't ). Truth is, Laxus is an elemental Mage so his magic can be countered by her.

 

[Takuan]

Irene terraformed a fudging country, held that enchantment, and kept Acno at bay longer than a Lapse in Time. No one in FT bar EoS Natsu had that impressive of an attack. Stop underrating Irene bcs of a BS fight with Erza and Wendy. If she was fighting them like she fought Acno they would be dead. They lucky she only distorted and compressed Fiore.

Universe One isn't an attack.
Universe One is by far Irene's most impressive spell, but this isn't an offensive spell that can be used in battle. Better worded, U1 can't be used to say Irene would beat an opponent. She didn't beat Acno, she just cancelled the fight. That doesn't make her stronger than anyone in battle, though it proves how much MP she has. This was pretty impressive i'll admit.
Her feats in actual battle are lackluster though, from her attacks (that were either dodged, tanked or straight up destroyed) to her defense.

 

[Anti Hero 3:16]

I agree with @Jko. Irene is monster. They only win against her in human form because of overpowered loli.

Shouldn't we ignore feats from irene vs erza and wendy battle. That battle was full of POF and BS.

 

[Jko]

Holding the enchantment isn't a significant feat.

And last time I checked, Christina and Jellal kept Dragon Acnologia at bay longer than the timelapse as well. I suppose Irene has the power equivalent to an airship then?


Keep in mind Dragon Acnologia was trying to chase/kill Christina and Jellal while being kept at bay.

With Irene, he only cared for a small talk between civilized humans.

Holding a compressed country the size of a continent while battling or extracting infinite magic isn't impressive? Lol.

Keep in mind that plot stopped Dragon Acno from wrecking that stupid ship which held two protagonist, and a popular side character. Mashima couldn't even kill off fudging Anna or Ichiya. What actually made you think he was gonna allow Jellal, Erza, and Wendy to die?

He praised Irene and that's huge as Acno only thinks of people as insect. Also there's the fact Irene doesn't get plot armor that makes it highly more impressive.