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Well, but we also know that Kouren was trying to get to him, so perhaps she managed to cross the border, the slash in her back notwithstanding.
That would be quite a development! Kouren having to thank Soo Won...Though that would be a little unlikely.
Maybe the wind tribe does try to help Kouren, if they spot Yotaka with her.
sorasan000 thinks that the chapter will maybe presented by Soo Won s pov. Honestly I am curious, if that is the case.
 
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Please tell me that it isn't the last page =.= I'd hate to have waited a month for another cliffhanger...
From what i can gather... the first couple of pages will be kouren ploughing through some henchmen. Cue mizari and yotaka.
Its only in the later pages 20-ish or something where soowon and kouren have some introductory chit chat
 
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Please tell me that it isn't the last page =.= I'd hate to have waited a month for another cliffhanger...
i can finally say for certain that the haggard kouren with soowon pic are the 2nd to the last pages... so yep... we’ve waited for another cliffhanger

korean scans for 149:
http://wasabisyrup.com/archives/zaWlPzLsmHw#07dz

personally, i dont think the negotiations would be in the next chapter since kouren needs to freshen up and not look soooo haggard... but since zeno is already wide awake, i think the shield thingy(whatever the hell it is) revelation is coming up next
 
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This will be a great chapter. Nevertheless if there are negotiations or not.
First Yoon nearly strangling Zeno while being agitated. Must be the reason Zeno or Cinderella awoke sooner than the others. Or the Ouryuu s healing ability...How cute! I am sorry for the emotional release.
I considered Yotaka and Misery to be too weary and not dead, but who knows?...
The faces Soo Won made during his conversation with Gobi ect were so priceless.
First rather shocked when he saw the whole group
Then he played surprised, when Gobi started talking to him. Since I know from Tumblr what Soo Won and Gobi are saying the whole scene is even more amusing.
When Gobi started talking about the gods, Soo Won s face was nearly as dark as it was during his conversation with Yona, when she mentioned "a possible reason why his father couldn t become king".
At the end Gobi is graced with a smile and Soo Won declines any further negotiations with him.
This is the moment Kouren is exploding with laughter. Soo won is a little bit startled by that reaction, it seems.

Ju do once compared Soo Won s facial expression with the one of a puppet. Sometimes he is right. But I would say it is even more spectacular, if he shows a little expression.
The negotiations are then next....

Also this sentence from King Il....
The translation I found on Tumblr: "Soo Won...You see, that girl is King Hiryuu incarnated. She is different from you."
So King Il talked to Soo Won most likely before his assassination. It seems that King Il tried to explain something to Soo Won.
Most likely why he didn t want him to be king, maybe? The dark face of Soo Won must be related to this. So that is why he goes against the gods? Interesting.
 
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Also this sentence from King Il....
The translation I found on Tumblr: "Soo Won...You see, that girl is King Hiryuu incarnated. She is different from you."
So King Il talked to Soo Won most likely before his assassination. It seems that King Il tried to explain something to Soo Won.
Most likely why he didn t want him to be king, maybe? The dark face of Soo Won must be related to this. So that is why he goes against the gods? Interesting.
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well, even when king il knew yona was hiryuu incarnated he was not gonna make her king/ruler anyways, but her husband.

so... does this make soowon just a mere mortal contradicting what others are saying on the split soul theory? yona is the only god made flesh and no other?
 

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Also this sentence from King Il....
The translation I found on Tumblr: "Soo Won...You see, that girl is King Hiryuu incarnated. She is different from you."
So King Il talked to Soo Won most likely before his assassination. It seems that King Il tried to explain something to Soo Won.
Most likely why he didn t want him to be king, maybe? The dark face of Soo Won must be related to this. So that is why he goes against the gods? Interesting.
Interesting. Soo-Won's hatred for magic must be far deeper than we think. It will be interesting when we finally find out why. Though, magic in the right hands - like Yona's - leads to good things so I hope Soo-Won can see that.

@Trjpyo

Actually that's what King Il always said to Yona - her husband will be king. But we don't know his real plans right? He could have been planning something else for Yona altogether. Maybe even make her a religious figurehead or holy being who couldn't marry at all.

Or maybe that's why he liked Hak over Soo-Won because Hak had no political ambitions and Yona could rule through him or something. I don't know. Il maybe had different ideas.
 

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Also this sentence from King Il....
The translation I found on Tumblr: "Soo Won...You see, that girl is King Hiryuu incarnated. She is different from you."
So King Il talked to Soo Won most likely before his assassination. It seems that King Il tried to explain something to Soo Won.
Most likely why he didn t want him to be king, maybe? The dark face of Soo Won must be related to this. So that is why he goes against the gods? Interesting.
well, even when king il knew yona was hiryuu incarnated he was not gonna make her king/ruler anyways, but her husband.

so... does this make soowon just a mere mortal contradicting what others are saying on the split soul theory? yona is the only god made flesh and no other?[/QUOTE]
I think it depends on how much King Il knew. If he was aware of the whole story, then yes, Soo Won would be just a moral human being with no relation to King Hiryuu.
If he was unaware on a few details, then maybe it is still possible.
On the other hand we don t know if King Il lied. Maybe Soo Won still has a connection and that is one reason why he didn t want him to be king.

Interesting. Soo-Won's hatred for magic must be far deeper than we think. It will be interesting when we finally find out why. Though, magic in the right hands - like Yona's - leads to good things so I hope Soo-Won can see that.

@Trjpyo

Actually that's what King Il always said to Yona - her husband will be king. But we don't know his real plans right? He could have been planning something else for Yona altogether. Maybe even make her a religious figurehead or holy being who couldn't marry at all.

Or maybe that's why he liked Hak over Soo-Won because Hak had no political ambitions and Yona could rule through him or something. I don't know. Il maybe had different ideas.
That s a nice idea with the religious figurehead. As to Hak. Wouldn t King Il have tried to educate his daughter in certain subjects then, if he wished for her to rule?
 

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Interesting. Soo-Won's hatred for magic must be far deeper than we think. It will be interesting when we finally find out why. Though, magic in the right hands - like Yona's - leads to good things so I hope Soo-Won can see that.

@Trjpyo

Actually that's what King Il always said to Yona - her husband will be king. But we don't know his real plans right? He could have been planning something else for Yona altogether. Maybe even make her a religious figurehead or holy being who couldn't marry at all.

Or maybe that's why he liked Hak over Soo-Won because Hak had no political ambitions and Yona could rule through him or something. I don't know. Il maybe had different ideas.
i doubt yona could “rule through him” though. i mean... il didnt really teach her anything about ruling. she was a stuck up princess who stayed in the castle without mingling with the common folks. it was as if he kept her in the dark.

about the religious figurehead/holy being... king il didnt reinstate the priesthood after their banishment so without any religious authority to verify/vouch yona is hiryuu she’ll just be an ordinary member of the ruling family- a mere mortal.
 

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i doubt yona could “rule through him” though. i mean... il didnt really teach her anything about ruling. she was a stuck up princess who stayed in the castle without mingling with the common folks. it was as if he kept her in the dark.
It would be also interesting to know what King Il himself was aware of. Did he knew the whole truth about the state of Kouka? Was he delusional? Did he had a plan which was unknown to everybody else?

about the religious figurehead/holy being... king il didnt reinstate the priesthood after their banishment so without any religious authority to verify/vouch yona is hiryuu she’ll just be an ordinary member of the ruling family- a mere mortal.
Well..it is at least weird, that he emphasized Yona s connection to King Hiryuu. That is why I am not sure, if ,,,,,@Mini_kinkin is not right. Also he told, Soo Won that he was different from Yona...And we know Soo Won wished to acquire the position of king in the past...And we know that King Il was very religious...
So a leader with a heavy relgious touch? Seems at least plausible to me.
If he had a connection with Ik soo or not is unknown. As far as I remember Ik soo visited at least once the capital after he was thrown out. Also Yona was told by Mundoek where she could find Ik soo. Mundoek was a loyal servant of King Il.

I would say...at least worth considering.
 

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It would be also interesting to know what King Il himself was aware of. Did he knew the whole truth about the state of Kouka? Was he delusional? Did he had a plan which was unknown to everybody else?


Well..it is at least weird, that he emphasized Yona s connection to King Hiryuu. That is why I am not sure, if ,,,,,@Mini_kinkin is not right. Also he told, Soo Won that he was different from Yona...And we know Soo Won wished to acquire the position of king in the past...And we know that King Il was very religious...
So a leader with a heavy relgious touch? Seems at least plausible to me.
If he had a connection with Ik soo or not is unknown. As far as I remember Ik soo visited at least once the capital after he was thrown out. Also Yona was told by Mundoek where she could find Ik soo. Mundoek was a loyal servant of King Il.

I would say...at least worth considering.

as to king il, he seems to respect the Gods, he worships them BUT the fact that he didnt reinstate the priesthood in his reign says hes clearly separating church and state.

you have no idea how long i have been itching to know more about king il and the secrets he knows. i wanna know about il and yuhons relationship/past, i wanna confirm if zeno was in contact with il from way long ago.... those juicy secrets... i bet soowon knows some and probably zeno as well but the BIG reveal is taking WAAYYYY TOOO LOONNNGGG
 

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as to king il, he seems to respect the Gods, he worships them BUT the fact that he didnt reinstate the priesthood in his reign says hes clearly separating church and state.

you have no idea how long i have been itching to know more about king il and the secrets he knows. i wanna know about il and yuhons relationship/past, i wanna confirm if zeno was in contact with il from way long ago.... those juicy secrets... i bet soowon knows some and probably zeno as well but the BIG reveal is taking WAAYYYY TOOO LOONNNGGG
I guess that we might be fed at least a little more information concerning King Il in the next chapters. A good sign for that is, that Soo Won is mediating about his last conversation with King Il and Zeno is wide awake.

It s like you mentioned, Zeno might really know more, since he followed Yona and Hak, since they fled the castle. Soo Won surely is conscious of more concerning that topic, as his conversation with King Il suggested.
 

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so... does this make soowon just a mere mortal contradicting what others are saying on the split soul theory? yona is the only god made flesh and no other?
Yessss, please.


Interesting. Soo-Won's hatred for magic must be far deeper than we think. It will be interesting when we finally find out why. Though, magic in the right hands - like Yona's - leads to good things so I hope Soo-Won can see that.
I think I can answer this one easily. Though first thing first, I wouldn't call it 'magic'. It's gods' blessing or the like, not a power that anyone can reach for, but only those who are chosen by the Heavens or whatnot.

Back to the topic. We know that young Su-won, unlike Hak and Yona, traveled a lot across Kouka. So he witnessed what state the country was in, and how it was only going downhill with each year of Il's reign. Now, if the reason for Junam choosing Il over Yu-hon was that Yona was Hiryuu's incarnation, then it would be indirectly gods' fault - but that's just a small piece. From the two flashbacks, we know that Il knew what Yona was too. So, what if - or at least Su-won thinks that - Il was content with his inept rule and ignored the country's gradual fall (didn't try to change anything, seek advise, help the tribes out) because he thought that gods would set things straight? That he doesn't need to do anything, that only because Yona is Hiryuu everything would turn out alright? He needn't lift a finger, everything's gods' will!

At least in Su-won's position, I'd be outraged.

But that's my take - I wonder if it'll turn out in any way accurate. Either way it seems we may count on at least some of the past's mystery to resurface soon, so I'm hyped :3
 

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Yessss, please.




I think I can answer this one easily. Though first thing first, I wouldn't call it 'magic'. It's gods' blessing or the like, not a power that anyone can reach for, but only those who are chosen by the Heavens or whatnot.

Back to the topic. We know that young Su-won, unlike Hak and Yona, traveled a lot across Kouka. So he witnessed what state the country was in, and how it was only going downhill with each year of Il's reign.
Can I ask you, where you got that information, that Soo Won traveled a lot in his youth? I don t remember that section.

Now, if the reason for Junam choosing Il over Yu-hon was that Yona was Hiryuu's incarnation, then it would be indirectly gods' fault - but that's just a small piece.
Would it be gods fault, if King Junam ,a human being, chose King Il instead of his older brother? I think that would be just the case, if they got a prophecy or something similar where the gods directly told the king of two generations ago, that he absolutely had to chose King Il.
If that should not be the case, then I consider it a similar situation to Yona s decision to go meet the dragon warriors.
Ik soo told her, which way she could chose, but in the end, it was still on Yona to decide.
So would it not be King Junams decision then?


From the two flashbacks, we know that Il knew what Yona was too. So, what if - or at least Su-won thinks that - Il was content with his inept rule and ignored the country's gradual fall (didn't try to change anything, seek advise, help the tribes out) because he thought that gods would set things straight? That he doesn't need to do anything, that only because Yona is Hiryuu everything would turn out alright? He needn't lift a finger, everything's gods' will!

At least in Su-won's position, I'd be outraged.

But that's my take - I wonder if it'll turn out in any way accurate. Either way it seems we may count on at least some of the past's mystery to resurface soon, so I'm hyped :3
I think it is very likely that Soo Won thought something similar. Even if King Il should have presented him a "solution", where Yona being King Hiryuu would have played a bigger role...I don t know if Soo Won would have been able to accept that.
 
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Would it be gods fault, if King Junam ,a human being, chose King Il instead of his older brother? I think that would be just the case, if they got a prophecy or something similar where the gods directly told the king of two generations ago, that he absolutely had to chose King Il.
If that should not be the case, then I consider it a similar situation to Yona s decision to go meet the dragon warriors.
Ik soo told her, which way she could chose, but in the end, it was still on Yona to decide.
So would it not be King Junams decision then?
from what i observed with soowon he generally has a calm disposition. the only time when he got really riled up was when yona mentioned why his father didnt become king. as in the change of facial expression was really telling. that topic is an open wound.
Now, for some reason hes also particularly annoyed about the ‘power of the gods’, or the mention of gods having a say on the executive powers of the king.
I’m just gonna go ahead and say that maybe these two are somewhat related. his dad not being king may have something to do with the god’s influence on junams decision. this is purely speculation tho.
 

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Can I ask you, where you got that information, that Soo Won traveled a lot in his youth? I don t remember that section.
There're clues spread across the flashbacks - e.g. in the "Young Leaves in the Wind" we find out that Su-won was frequenting the capital city (that is, the parts beyond the Hiryuu Castle), we know that he visited the Water Tribe at least once, and that he didn't stay at castle long. But the main reason I thought so was from the anime - sorry for the German subtitles, it's the only version I found. But now I checked that it wasn't in the manga, so there's a question if it was added on author's request (making it canon), or by the anime writers' (making it... hmm, questionable).

Would it be gods fault, if King Junam ,a human being, chose King Il instead of his older brother? I think that would be just the case, if they got a prophecy or something similar where the gods directly told the king of two generations ago, that he absolutely had to chose King Il.
If that should not be the case, then I consider it a similar situation to Yona s decision to go meet the dragon warriors.
Ik soo told her, which way she could chose, but in the end, it was still on Yona to decide.
So would it not be King Junams decision then?
This is why I wrote that it was indirectly their fault. There must have been some kind of prophecy, since they knew that Yona was Hiryuu - someone must have pointed it out to them. And it's presumably the gods' will that Yona is Hiryuu, born in this time and not any other. Now, if that was the reason why Junam chose Il over Yu-hon, then it means that if Yona hadn't been chosen, he wouldn't have done it. Then Yu-hon would be on the throne. So the gods' will interfered with the decision making. Was it the direct "Thee must chose Il"? No, I don't think so (though who knows). But still it can be seen as partially their fault, especially since people usually presume gods to be all-knowing, or at least a lot wiser than humans. Did they not know what the consequences would be, when they decided that Hiryuu should be reborn now, and not, I dunno a decade later?
 

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from what i observed with soowon he generally has a calm disposition. the only time when he got really riled up was when yona mentioned why his father didnt become king. as in the change of facial expression was really telling. that topic is an open wound.
Now, for some reason hes also particularly annoyed about the ‘power of the gods’, or the mention of gods having a say on the executive powers of the king.
I’m just gonna go ahead and say that maybe these two are somewhat related. his dad not being king may have something to do with the god’s influence on junams decision. this is purely speculation tho.
Yeah. It could be both. King Il s future plans could come into play, but also the deeds King Il committed in the past. Soo Won at least believes that King Il is the murderer of his father and I don t remember him ever asking as to why King Il killed his father.
So both could be a reason, why he detests the gods so much,if that could have lead to his father dying maybe. But that is of course purely a speculation on my part.
There're clues spread across the flashbacks - e.g. in the "Young Leaves in the Wind" we find out that Su-won was frequenting the capital city (that is, the parts beyond the Hiryuu Castle), we know that he visited the Water Tribe at least once, and that he didn't stay at castle long. But the main reason I thought so was from the anime - sorry for the German subtitles, it's the only version I found. But now I checked that it wasn't in the manga, so there's a question if it was added on author's request (making it canon), or by the anime writers' (making it... hmm, questionable).
I see. Thank you. So the knowledge Soo Won collected didn t just stem from books.

This is why I wrote that it was indirectly their fault. There must have been some kind of prophecy, since they knew that Yona was Hiryuu - someone must have pointed it out to them.
That makes one wonder, if Ik soo maybe entered the stage at that moment. Ik soo is a strange person and even though he seems to be just a kind person, at least the section where his house was totally destroyed, was a little bit questionable. At least his justification...that he just stumbled all over...

And it's presumably the gods' will that Yona is Hiryuu, born in this time and not any other. Now, if that was the reason why Junam chose Il over Yu-hon, then it means that if Yona hadn't been chosen, he wouldn't have done it. Then Yu-hon would be on the throne. So the gods' will interfered with the decision making.
It is true, that a prophecy or Yona s birth may have influenced that decision, if the outcome, should King Junan not follow the predetermined path, had been horrendous.
But it is not like the decision of King Junam is a direct consequence of the presence of a prophecy. It s not like
prophecy+ Yona being born = King Junam s decision.

There is still the will of the king, named Junam.

Was it the direct "Thee must chose Il"? No, I don't think so (though who knows). But still it can be seen as partially their fault, especially since people usually presume gods to be all-knowing, or at least a lot wiser than humans. Did they not know what the consequences would be, when they decided that Hiryuu should be reborn now, and not, I dunno a decade later?
At least if we consider Soo won s own mindset. Soo Won seems to be a person who tends to rational decisions. He wishes for the power of human beings and he is going actively against the gods. He chose not to follow the predetermined path.

So if he himself is able to ignore any prophecy/Yona being the reincarnation, why should he absolve his grandfather? If he really considered the gods influence that big, wouldn t it go against his belief that the gods are just merely watching.

My conclusion is that Soo Won would suffer from a certain bias, if that should be true. I mean that would be really humane, to have unresolved feelings and having them cloud your brain.
That is why I consider your explanation still pretty plausible.
 

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I think all three - Il, Yu-Hon and Ju-Nam are shady.

-From the sequence of events we understand that the priests were driven out during Ju Nam's reign by Yu-Hon.
-But for some reason Il got chosen as the King.

If we think about why, one reason could be that , as stated above, Ju-Nam heard about a prophecy which stated that Yona is Hiryuu.

But then why drive out the priests if you want Hiryuu to rule a generation later?

If the above is indeed true, it could be that Ju-Nam regretted driving the priests out his death bed, and pronounced Il as King and wanted Yona to be the beacon who once again reinstates priesthood and religion in Kouka. Maybe he was seeing Yu-Hon becoming mad with blood lust (example Xing) after all the priests were driven out.

Another thing- it is interesting why Soo-Won chose Yona's birthday to assasinate Il.

Maybe, just maybe, Il was about to reveal everything to Yona that night - on her birthday - that she is Hiryuu and his plans to get religion and priesthood back into Kouka. And Soo-Won was completely against it because his father was against it. I don't know. The reasons could be many, and I hope we find out soon!
 
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