Games Mafia Game 58 - Umineko: How to play 13 - END GAME

[Nii]

Well fair enough, I guess at this point the niichan bandwagon can't be stopped thanks to Gry.

Going to leave soon, so I can't really defend myself or make cases for others during the remaining dayphase. Might as well reveal my role, I'm just a plain townie, like I hinted at when Ange asked me about it. So in the end you won't lose anyone that useful anyway, and I can actually relax for the remainder of the game, though I would've loved to participate longer

 

[xnut]

Oh no I get it, I'm just saying I'm just trying to at least be alive and use my role shoot.

 

[Elusia]

Thanks @Zasz
I already gave a hint about my role. Don't know much about it but it says that it's pretty important.

 

[Zasz]

Thanks @Zasz
I already gave a hint about my role. Don't know much about it but it says that it's pretty important.

Hmm, okay.
Anyway what are your thoughts about the current situation?

 

[GrySun]

If niichan is really just a regular townie then we're not losing much anyway, but I won't buy it till I see it shown in text by a host. Don't let that sway you, the Gry from 3 games ago would've gotten sentimental and already switched his vote. Stay strong.
There's still a lot of hours left, hoping that @DiMaria Yesta and @desin24 come to prevent themselves from getting lynched. I'll probably go to sleep soon but definitely will still be there tomorrow. Since people play in different time zones, you can try tagging and asking stuff to people we've hardly seen yet.

 

[gnut]

Reading all this... its getting hot here!

Since I feel motivated I made some research on the first day and did a summary ("a la Erin") about directions and voting in D1, Im already working on D2. I'll post it soon.

I actually agree with niichan that focusing solely on him gives an easier way to the hidden mafias to stay in the shadows if in the end he's not mafia.
Still, niichan, you are the highest suspect even if, after research, I think gnut tried harder in saving Spriggan than you. Empty is shady but I find proving your allegiance more productive than proving hers right now.
Kind of, if you are mafia we would have further leads, Empty is at the moment not much more shady than xnut or the group of "yes man" I've been watching.

So Votekill niichan for now.

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By the way @Erinyes I gave info about my role already: active, not useful right now

I wasnt trying to save spriggan as much as to point out that who votes him is pro town....not in the clear.

Then i pointed out the "possible" bandwagon on erin....but not to bandwagon myself i voted spirit.i said it openly...but it was more of a bait to see where other votes went.spirit was in no trouble.
Then i noticed the gang of likes on orgz post about spriggan is going to die....and out of the three....monkey,xnut,empty.
Monkey slipped in on the spriggan lynch...i called him a tryhard because of this.
Why i voted him....i didnt care if spriggan was mafia or not...he was lynched at that point especially after not even trying a defense

 

[EmptySoul]

Damn,now i feel bad for niichan,almost makes me not wanna vote him
I wonder if he really is telling the truth about his role,it is still pretty early to give up like that after all

Ur overthinking a bunch of likes,i really doubt theres anything behind them at all,gnut

 

[Spirit]

What are the chances of

Damn,now i feel bad for niichan,almost makes me not wanna vote him
I wonder if he really is telling the truth about his role,it is still pretty early to give up like that after all

Ur overthinking a bunch of likes,i really doubt theres anything behind them at all,gnut

After what Panda did last game, I don't blame him. It was clever stuff employed by the mafia using likes.

 

[Zasz]

Well, time for me to go to bed.



Hope we're not wrong about niichan though.
See ya on Day 3 hopefully, because this thread will be closed already by the time I wake up.

 

[gnut]

Damn,now i feel bad for niichan,almost makes me not wanna vote him
I wonder if he really is telling the truth about his role,it is still pretty early to give up like that after all

Ur overthinking a bunch of likes,i really doubt theres anything behind them at all,gnut

Day 1....people are loose...say and do things they may not assume will hurt them.
Idk...you see it as miscellaneous i see it may lead to something.

Why you even questioning my perspective...im doubting monkey not you

 

[Elusia]

Hmm, okay.
Anyway what are your thoughts about the current situation?

From my tired eyes, it's getting pretty intense and it's only going to get real here xD
I need to re-read them again to fully grasp the situation.

 

[EmptySoul]

What are the chances of

After what Panda did last game, I don't blame him. It was clever stuff employed by the mafia using likes.

I see
Well damn

Day 1....people are loose...say and do things they may not assume will hurt them.
Idk...you see it as miscellaneous i see it may lead to something.

Why you even questioning my perspective...im doubting monkey not you

No reason at all,just thought it was a little silly before but now i get it

 

[Lambu]

Here's the summary, I think I missed nothing important and avoided all random stuff, I hope you find useful.

Day 1

- Demon votekills syx (post 64) and Spriggan votekills for the same reason apparently “annoying role playing” (post 75)
- Spirit claims passive after Gry’s question (post 76)
- Gnut says to kill niichan (post 80) when niichan said nothing suspicious
- Vandred questions Spriggan’s vote (post 82)
- Kato appears (post 94) and says his reaction to his role was like realizing a girl has a dick... ()
- Orgz appears (post 98) and says later he will try to avoid attention this time to stay alive ()
- Arjuna votes Demon cause meme (post 118)
- WYIS votes Erin cause if she’s mafia she would be a good asset for them (?) - Empty jumps on the wagon immediately after (120-121), - Orgz questions her and she responds she planned to do it already out of gut feeling, acusses him and Gry of hunting newbies. (137)
- Marmalade supports the random vote idea of Empty and its supported by "likes" of Spriggan.
- Vandred supports the idea of Spriggan being a newbie mafia avoiding suspicion (146) and Belserion seconds it after Spriggan’s post [he says bandwagon people is his style of playing, lol] and votes him, after that Vandred votes Spriggan aswell (147-150-154)
- Monkey joins the Spriggan train based on whats explained before (missed the post number, should be shortly after the previous)
- Spriggan gives up (?) (173)

- Kato avoids discussing anything and votekills zasz cause meme and Elusia votekills DiMaria cause inactivity (179-180)
- Syx says Spriggan should die for bad playing (I must admit that thing of jumping bandwagons is the fun left me O_O dafuc) (187)
- Zasz votes Elusia randomly and Zimbardo does the same with Gry, Pompom does the same with Vandred (190-192-200)
- Orgz votes Empty cause he thinks her case is similar to Spriggan’s (202) and Erin votes xnut randomly (205)
- Gnut votekills spirit cause he doesn’t want to join the bandwagon on Spriggan, wants to keep focus on Empty and wyis cause their case with Erin is very similar. Mentions an uncomfortable post from niichan to pompom about "teaming up". This post is liked by Spriggan (206)
- Marmalade votes Elusia cause gut feeling. (207)
- Gnut hints he has an old role and had it before (208)
- Gry definitively votes Spriggan cause he didn’t defend himself, keeps light on Empty though. Says theres a possibility mafias might try to save Spriggan. Also hints his role isn’t very useful and might get him killed sooner or later. (209)
- Inmediately after, Empty says Spriggan might be innocent, he’s shady by nature (210) And gnut says anyone who didn’t vote Spriggan doesn’t mean they mafia. (215) - syx votekills spriggan (216)
- Pompom says her role could be useful but she doesn’t know how to use it, so she doesn’t like it (219) Immediately after Gryffindor appears and thinks of voting Spriggan aswell, looks to Elusia and niichan

- Niichan enters the fray (221) tells Gry that not voting Spriggan doesn’t mean anything at that moment since one cannot trust the ones who vote either (cause 2 mafias possibility) Theorizes that Gry is mafia and does this to free himself from suspicion. He agrees Spriggan is suspicious though, but that not voting him proves nothing. - Gnut seconds him saying there might be mafias voting Spriggan to clear themselves (222)
- Xnut votes Gry although he thinks Spriggan slipped up (?) (223)
- Niichan votes Empty cause it’s the same case with Spriggan but with less attention, he also says he doesn’t want to vote Spriggan cause he could be a bomb (226) - Gnut accuses Monkey of joining wagon (227) and thinks Empty,xnut and monkey liking orgz post about Emptys safe position with the Spriggan bandwagon (229-235) though at the end he seems like trolling or sth.
- Niichan says he just wants to avoid future bandwagons based on Gry’s premise (238). - Gnut votelocks monkey (243) - Belserion presses on lynching Spriggan (247)
- Gnut hints his role is one of the jobs of a “real estate agent” (249) - I Lambu votekill niichan cause I don’t want to vote Spriggan suspecting bomb explosion, I was going to piss my pants. (254) - Gryffindor votes niichan aswell out of random decision (255)

End of day 1

I was a little disappointed that demon and orgz weren't that active D1, I expected more clues. Im already working on D2 summary.

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 15, 2017, Original Post Date: Nov 15, 2017 ---

Oh ust checked again, in number 3 gnut suspects niichan cause an exchange between him and pompom, like acting too friendly

 

[GrySun]

Omg Lambu doing god's work, this will help so much, especially of day 2 later.

 

[Gryffindor]

Won't be around for the rest of the allotted time for Day 2, so votekill niichan
Same reasoning as in Day 1(first impression gave off "try and catch me vibe", then the pompom exchange), plus what has happened so far in the current day just piled on the suspicion.

 

[Marmalade]

After some consideration, and yes a lot of lurking (I'm obvserving, sorry - not sorry) I have made my choice as I probably don't get the chance to be active before this phase ends.

Votekill niichan. It's not because the amount of votes he's getting at this point, I just don't believe his statement in being an innocent townie. Do you really have to tell that to others if you are innocent? Feels fishy to me. The whole conversation during the day felt manipulative and not just coming from one person.

With that said, goodnight and goodluck tonight children.

 

[Kato756]

the note's mechanism is still not clear to me, so either as gnut suggest there's a possibility theres a 3 party
Ill cast a vote before going to bed in case, may consider changing it depending on further revelations.
Im going for now for Xnut.


Votekill xnut

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 15, 2017, Original Post Date: Nov 15, 2017 ---

Ah yeah your gf birthday ?
could it be a hidden hint

I won´t deny tha day 1 was because of that also (I did say I would be away because of test and so I did, but we were supossed to party on her bday on saturday, but life happens), but it ain´t a hint

 

[Spirit]

As things stand, I'm not sure who to vote for. Niichan has this cocky "Can't touch me" playstyle that makes me think je might be a Bomb, or a Mafia Bomb. It's a bit like Magi bit then again different.

I voted Erin yesterday as a logical play but I wasn't really committed to it anyway. Empty immediately following up with a vote on her too was wierd, since in my experience new players don't really jump on bandwagons unless they are sizeable.

Then there is Vandred who is so adamantly defending niichan. As a townie, just how much of a reason would he have to do so?

For me my vote will be one of these three. Subject to change depending on what happens.

 

[Purity of Magi]

 

[Vandred]

Go on, @GrySun, at this point it's fun to see your contradictions.

Wasn't I the first one to openly question @Emperor Spriggan? Here, I'll find my post for you. But wait, I thought him, niichan and I were supposed to be all in the same mafia...?

Haven't I repeated time and time again that my suggestion is to keep niichan alive for one single day, even a single night, and at the very latest lynch him tomorrow? Is that your concept of protecting? What, exactly, would I stand to gain from that if I were his mafia buddy? And what great risk do you think keeping him alive for one more phase would entail, when his mafia is most likely going to be able to kill tonight either way? Letting those pesky Dets get a reliable result, maybe?

Another problem which was the same in the Daws scenario, you can't use mafias as a meatshield vs other mafias. They see how niichan is in the spotlights, he may get the Daws treatment until we use our lynch on him.

The Daws treatment? So... his buddies coming out in the open and saying niichan is one of theirs? What? They already lost the Mafia Det, too, so they wouldn't have any leverage like Daws did. What could his mafia buddies accomplish if we're all set on lynching him tomorrow?

If a townie really has a Death note, he should use it either on Vandred if niichan shows as mafia boss(I still can't believe he took that risky gamble ), or someone else like Empty or some of the lurkers. The only difference is, if niichan shows as boss we will certainly lynch Vandred unless he has a perfect defense, so he can either be killed via a Note so we can look into other players to lynch them, or kill someone else with the Note while we lynch Vand.

Though I think it's better to outright kill Vand with the Note, so we don't focus on him a lot next day and properly ask everyone for hints and maybe even role reveals.

I am being extremely forward and in the centre here, niichan/Vand's mafia buddies will kill me for sure tonight. But I don't mind as long as you guys can carry on.

You forgot to tell Dets that they should investigate me before I die tonight, you know. Which is, obviously, what you should want as a townie, isn't it?

And of course, if you die that must mean it was my mafia buddies who killed you. The oldest trick in the bag.

Even if niichan is going to get lynched today, I'll once again ask everyone to reconsider and wait for one more day - if a townie has the Note, kill him tonight instead, and if not, we'll lynch him right away tomorrow regardless of what he or anyone else brings up.

Gry, if you fail to make any sense again of all the holes in your logic I just mentioned (which I don't see as very likely, since they're well... holes in your logic), I know who I'll be voting instead of niichan today. Or if I'm still alive by tomorrow, who I'll vote then.