Games Mafia Game 58 - Umineko: How to play 13 - END GAME

[Gryffindor]

Ughh, all this flip flopping back and forth and it sucks when you're not really good at deduction and the sort.

Monkey's claims aren't invalid imo, the way GrySun had everyone playing to his tune, its possible they thought they could continue to work the game in their favor while eliminating rival mafia members and holding the townies in the palm of their hands. I don't know how successful bandwagons have been in previous games, but they've been pretty spot on in this one, it helps to know now that it was possible because he was a detective.
His votekill in the last voting phase might be on the mark as well.

Then again, it also makes sense to roll with gnut being right about his votekill. Empty and Vandred were innocent(rules say mafia shows up as a townie would), while Spirit came out guilty. That would mean he's sane(I think, correct if wrong) . And if he's lying, he obviously knows the risk that would entail in the following phases. He said he's played over 30 games, so I don't see how he would make such a mistake, but then again all the vets apparently slipped up from what I've read.

Spirit also said Zasz was the one who killed Empty? Was this ever confirmed?
Elusia I've suspected from Day 1, admittedly it died down recently, but now picking up back again. Sucks when you're not experienced enough to come up with all these hypotheticals like vets.

Don't want to keep flip flopping, so votekill WithYouInSpirit.

 

[Lady pompom]

You read my deduction here right?



If Monkey is revealed as Escort then Elusia is 95% mafia, I would dare to say she's Mafia Boss from Gry's Mafia, hence she saying "my role... I read its pretty important".
The fact that you were blocked when you said you were going to kill Elusia, one of the most inactive townies, means a lot already.



I think he must be sleeping now, its 5 am or so in Australia right now, but still he can't come up with it. He can only say he's a witch or a Freeman. If he's Burden and we get a double day phase though... I will have a good glass of cava

Yep, you deduction looks very accurate. I mean, mafia knew whom I would target, they could have simply killed me, but their priority was blocking me... This does say a lot.

 

[syx]

And there is still no word of these two DNs GrySun claimed.

 

[EmptySoul]

I agree with Lambu
Dont know why Monkeys in such a hurry to kill gnut when he could be telling the truth and his loss would be greater than the loss of WYIS
Killing WYIS first is indeed the logical choice,if he turns out innocent,gnut should be lynched and the opposite if WYIS is guilty

However i wont vote WYIS yet,would like to hear more from him & Monkey

 

[gnut]

Now i think about it....niichan made a big deal about spriggan being possible bomb.
Now we have you....a defuser xD
Had a mafia trying to convince us there was a town bomb...now we got you claiming there has to be a mafia one.
Why didnt you question niichan on this or make any kind of hint that town could deal with it?
Not like bomb defuser would be priority kill...you ask me your late reveal is the suspicious one.

Im willing to bet....you are niichans defuser and this is why he came up with that bomb thingy.

@Lambu
What you think about this?

 

[Lambu]

@Lambu
What you think about this?

It could be, but Im leaning strongly to Monkey being Escort, it would explain a lot of things, like WYIS not dying with the Death Note.

 

[gnut]

It could be, but Im leaning strongly to Monkey being Escort, it would explain a lot of things, like WYIS not dying with the Death Note.

Did gry say he had that note...if so it may have been to cover for spirit.
No?

 

[Lady pompom]

Did gry say he had that note...if so it may have been to cover for spirit.
No?

I was with WYIS note, it had WYIS name, Kato and now, Elusia's name. So far, only Kato died.

 

[gnut]

Also for those still doubting me....ofc i know the risk im taking....
But my vote was locked...what 2hrs in the phase?
Theres no squirming my way out of this....shows you just how committed i am about spirit....

Notice spirit and monkeys votes arent locked wonder why...?
Tried to find every way to show i am a lie...but no commitment.
Watch your backs...hate for someone to come out as doc....may get lynched

 

[Lambu]

Did gry say he had that note...if so it may have been to cover for spirit.
No?

No, Pompom had it and passed it to me, the names written are "WYIS , Kato , Elusia", so the note I have right now could only have passed through Gry's hands in D2, and still unlikely if we are to believe he had 2 notes in D3... actually that could mean one of the notes was made up but its still an hypothesis.

@syx If someone has those, lets call them, "X notes" no one will claim it since it would mean they are from Vandred's mafia.
That is if we are to believe Vandred's words of his mafia killing Gry, which I believe for now.

 

[gnut]

No, Pompom had it and passed it to me, the names written are "WYIS , Kato , Elusia", so the note I have right now could only have passed through Gry's hands in D2, and still unlikely if we are to believe he had 2 notes in D3... actually that could mean one of the notes was made up but its still an hypothesis.

@syx If someone has those, lets call them, "X notes" no one will claim it since it would mean they are from Vandred's mafia.
That is if we are to believe Vandred's words of his mafia killing Gry, which I believe for now.

I still say the lack of killings cant be from blocks...just too lucky especially if pompom couldnt perform
I believe one of the factions atleast are finished...but thats just me.
I know i cant block....so anybody got anything to say?

 

[Lady pompom]

I still say the lack of killings cant be from blocks...just too lucky especially if pompom couldnt perform
I believe one of the factions atleast are finished...but thats just me.
I know i cant block....so anybody got anything to say?

Please don't do those jokes I'm not very fond of my role.

Reagrding the mafia if each mafia family has 3 members, the bright-red mafia
Spriggan -mafia det
Erin - strongwoman
Niichan red mafia boss

The bright-red mafia mst be gone, but the other two mafias only lost one member each. One being the boss and the other, their det. I think there are only other four or possibly five mafias around (it is, if one of those mafias recruited someone or had 4 members). Frm the red mafias, we can confirm that at least two mafias had a det and a boss, but not always the mafia has a "mafia boss" role but rather a person that acts as the boss, though i do believe there's other boss. As for the other mafia, maybe an escort, not sure about the bomb thing.

 

[z.5]

zimbardo does your role involves learning/teaching?

No.

Dunno what GrySun was thinking admitting to having 2 notes, even had he not been Mafia, that was painting far to big of a target on his own forehead for someone who isn't bulletproof/a bomb.

And there is still no word of these two DNs GrySun claimed.

THIS

Whoever killed GrySun (probably a Mafia from a rival group) now probably has 2 Death Notes - as the only way to remove one appears to be killing someone via lynching.

That means, unless we can work out who has them before the night phase, we can probably expect more than a single death this time.

 

[Lambu]

I'll post here Gry's post about those notes he "had", please take it with a grain of salt:

Well then, time for me to reveal something very interesting. At the start of this day I was PM-notified and I got not one, but two Death Notes in my possession. I was pretty surprised, but I guess both Note-holders took me as trustworthy to give it to? Another interesting thing, just like in the anime each Death Note still has every name ever written on it, so I know whose names were written in the Death Notes. It's possible the rules we never deciphered hinted towards it already, and maybe some other fancy stuff one can do with them.
Let's call them Note D and Note O(based on their first victims... )

Note D: Demonspeed, Vandred

Note O: Organizized, EmptySoul

So here's my thoughts on this. The mafia started with one Note, a townie started with another. I take it the mafia started with Note O, since Orgz is a better kill for mafias than Demon. Meanwhile a townie, especially one who knows about Demon being mafia all the time, probably wrote Demon's name in it hoping for an easy mafia kill. I could be wrong and both started on townies or both on the mafia.

But then the next names are Vandred and EmptySoul, both 2 people we discussed during the day who could be good kills with the Note. Empty died, Vandred however didn't. Why is that? Was the Note holder blocked(by either Prostitute or Escort) or Vandred doc protected(very unlikely tbh)? Either way Vand slipped through our fingers somehow last night. It's common for mafia to have an Escort, and from the hints of last day I think it was obvious that Zasz had the Note, which Vand's mafia probably picked up and blocked Zasz to keep him alive. Got no clue who our other Note holder is/was, or whether they or Zasz is a mafia using the Note instead.

So this allows me to confirm that there indeed are 2 Notes, and both are just as real as the other, both can kill people and I currently hold both of them. If you lynch me we could get rid of them forever, or I try using one/both this night to kill some more targets, then give it to some people I trust.

I considered not saying anything about it, but I think the info about the previous written names is worth it. Especially if one of the previous holders was a mafia they'd know I have the Note anyway and use their Escort to block me, so I would rather be open and try to use them.

So that's another reason why we need to read through all the text, there may be something interesting I can do now that I hold 2 Notes, or maybe something horrible happens which was hinted at.

I also think red mafia could be done for, I could picture the image of 3 mafias with 3-4 members each, more like 3 each or the townies would be in disadvantage even if we count the Death Note mechanic.

 

[z.5]

Watch your backs...hate for someone to come out as doc....may get lynched

Rule 1, 2, 3 and 4 of this game - if you are a doc, DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE SAY SO!

Rule 5 is to re-read rules 1 through 4 and make sure you thoroughly understood them...

 

[gnut]

I'll post here Gry's post about those notes he "had", please take it with a grain of salt:



I also think red mafia could be done for, I could picture the image of 3 mafias with 3-4 members each, more like 3 each or the townies would be in disadvantage even if we count the Death Note mechanic.

Or a small group with a recruiter...spirit mentioned i could be a traitor xD

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Rule 1, 2, 3 and 4 of this game - if you are a doc, DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE SAY SO!

Rule 5 is to re-read rules 1 through 4 and make sure you thoroughly understood them...

Exactly professor

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I could see like asia mentioned...a group with 2 members and no boss.

 

[Lambu]

@zimbardo did you make a summary for D3? I did the last two during the night phase most of the time but I couldn't this time. It would be a great help.

Or a small group with a recruiter...spirit mentioned i could be a traitor xD

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 18, 2017, Original Post Date: Nov 18, 2017 ---

Exactly professor

Damn, you could be right, if there's a traitor then the first mafia that got him would have one big advantage.
This is frustrating, give me a break guys.

 

[z.5]

@zimbardo did you make a summary for D3? I did the last two during the night phase most of the time but I couldn't this time. It would be a great help.

No, this is the first time I have looked at the game today.

Just got back from 'visiting the sites' with my dad.
The only reason I am on now is because he is currently asleep on the sofa


Will try and make one after he has gone, time permitting.

 

[Lady pompom]

@zimbardo what are your thoughst about the suspects right now?

I could see like asia mentioned...a group with 2 members and no boss.

Or three members and no boss too. The idea of the traitor worries me.

@zimbardo did you make a summary for D3? I did the last two during the night phase most of the time but I couldn't this time. It would be a great help.



Damn, you could be right, if there's a traitor then the first mafia that got him would have one big advantage.
This is frustrating, give me a break guys.

Let's thread carefully now. We know more or less howm many members they have and have some suspects, by the results of the day, we can decide whom to block/ investigate tonight and whom should have the name written on the DN.

 

[gnut]

@Lambu
Man....i believe you still doubt me tho.
Its very disappointing that you would think i would troll myself to death.

Ok....remember when i told monkey i was magi this game....what was magi last game?
That was day 1....4 fukan hints on day 1.