Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2018] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[ChocoBar9]

Can't believe GIA was right.

 

[Halloween]

I'm just here on the sidelines wondering why people are getting so worked up over this.

I'm not even worked up, lol. I'm just of the opinion that there's an answer to this that isn't 'Shueisha is inept.'

 

[Doughboy]

Off topic: Black Clover’s 2nd OP/ED I like. Why did SP reuse the visuals from the anime promotional posters though? But the actual song and original visuals are good.

Can't believe GIA was right.

Hello darkness my old friend.

 

[Avok]

Says the guy who gets triggered by anything MHA related. Like I said people get really antsy when MHA gets brought up.

I don't have anything agaisnt the series, in fact, I even watch the anime. It's the fans that are a nuisance.

You guys are too much on your arses about promotion and pushing. Every series is different, with different targets and marketing strategies.
The fact is that Neverland is doing almost the same as MHA in the same time window/run time. That's literally it.

Even then, the two biggest boosts seem to have come from external sources such as the awards and the random program that promoted Kingdom too. If you're taking everything into consideration to dismiss the popularity of a series I think that plays a role too.

Hero Academia is controversial because the fans are controversial. Oh, and I don't even read TPN.

 

[ChocoBar9]

I'm not even worked up, lol. I'm just of the opinion that there's an answer to this that isn't 'Shueisha is inept.'

Because they didn't expect the third serialization of an author who failed twice to be a huge hit?

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So the fanbase is bad for correcting people for making inaccurate statements as a means to compare two different manga, released on two different intervals, with two different boosts? Okay. The topic of promotion is something that gets brought up by different groups of people all you've shown is that people who like TPN are really insecure and can't just be happy that their manga is doing well. You're certainly not making yourself loom better by agitating others with your comments.

 

[Halloween]

Because they didn't expect the third serialization of an author who failed twice to be a huge hit?

So, couldn't this be a case of them learning from their past mistakes with newer popular series, instead of favoritism?

 

[xAsum0x]

This all started with me trying to understand why so many ppl think TPN will surpass MHA in sales when MHA did better and is also constantly growing. Not sure how I'm controversial or in my arse

 

[Halloween]

This all started with me trying to understand why so many ppl think TPN will surpass MHA in sales when MHA did better and is also constantly growing. Not sure how I'm controversial or in my arse

I kind of view it like KnY and Yuuna. Yuuna had a way better start, but KnY slowly but surely started surpassing it over time.

It's not a 1:1 comparison, mind you. It's just a personal belief. I'm not upset at MHA's success, but I do feel like TPN should be doing better than it is. Then again, I thought the same for Toriko, so what do I know? >_>

 

[TyVip]

All the other awards are baby steps.

Get nominate for Tezuka Award then we talk . Not win, nominated

Only about 5 series get nominated so far (One PIece 3 times, Hikaru no Go, Deathnote, Assassination Classroom and Naruto).

 

[ChocoBar9]

So, couldn't this be a case of them learning from their past mistakes with newer popular series, instead of favoritism?

You say that but TPN had multiple TV appearances during its first year which no Jump manga recieved. Now this can pretty much just be audience reception but Jump is milking it for all its worth.

 

[xAsum0x]

I kind of view it like KnY and Yuuna. Yuuna had a way better start, but KnY slowly but surely started surpassing it over time.

It's not a 1:1 comparison, mind you. It's just a personal belief. I'm not upset at MHA's success, bit I do feel like TPN should be doing better. Then again, I thought the same for Toriko, so what do I know? >_>

Makes sense but let me ask you why do you think it should be doing better? As much as I like the series it's not entitled to anything.

 

[Avok]

So the fanbase is bad for correcting people for making inaccurate statements as a means to compare two different manga, released on two different intervals, with two different boosts? Okay. The topic of promotion is something that gets brought up by different groups of people all you've shown is that people who like TPN are really insecure and can't just be happy that their manga is doing well. You're certainly not making yourself loom better by agitating others with yoyr comments.

You're the one who got agitated.
The fact is that TPN is doing roughly the same as MHA in the same timeframe:

Manga of different genre, two different targets, with volumes released on different dates of different years. The gap between said volumes is what? 10k? Given the conditions and the variables, it's safe to say they're pretty much the same at the same point in time.

 

[Halloween]

Makes sense but let me ask you why do you think it should be doing better? As much as I like the series it's not entitled to anything.

I feel the quality warrants it. Nothing more, nothing less.

You say that but TPN had multiple TV appearances during its first year which no Jump manga recieved. Now this can pretty much just be audience reception but Jump is milking it for all its worth.

Perhaps, but even stateside, it got really good buzz early on. Viz literally added it to the lineup instantly after the Jump Start, which is practically unheard of, IIRC. Could be wrong there, though.

 

[Reigen]

But those are just the magazine promotions right? Neverland had all of those TV promotions as well.

MHA had 4 Vomic episodes aired at Animax in January 2015, in it's early days it appeared multipe times at "Special research police JUMPolice" TV show if you count this one, also (Horikoshi) appeared at Mandō Kobayashi TV show in January 2016.

 

[Halloween]

Another thing that I feel contributes to TPN's success is the very first chapter. It has, by far, the best first chapter in recent memory. Notice how a lot of recent Jump failures stretch out introductions or outright fumble them.

Nailing that aspect goes a long way, IMO.

 

[Reigen]

In what dimension is 164k higher than 168k? Probably in the same one where comparing 7 volumes worth of sales to one volume is considered a valid argument. What is it with MHA that get people so riled up?

And where did i say or implied that it is higher? neither said that comparing 7 volumes sales to one volume is a valid argument, what i meant is that there always been comparisons between each manga's (other series too not just MHA and TPN) respective volumes or their first year sales, pre-anime etc, but suddenly now the comparison became embrassing? i'm gonna ask the same question what is it with TPN that get people so riled up? because most of what i saw is people denying TPN's big success or not given it much credit for that.

 

[ShenGao]

Another thing that I feel contributes to TPN's success is the very first chapter. It has, by far, the best first chapter in recent memory. Notice how a lot of recent Jump failures stretch out introductions or outright fumble them.

Nailing that aspect goes a long way, IMO.

The first TPN chapter lied about what to expect. I thought it would be a survival story with many children dying. Instead the only onscreen deaths happened in the 1st chapter and the 68th chapter. And the two who were killed in chapter 68 were literal nobodies who were introduced 1 chapter before their death.

 

[ChocoBar9]

You're the one who got agitated.
The fact is that TPN is doing roughly the same as MHA in the same timeframe:

Manga of different genre, two different targets, with volumes released on different dates of different years. The gap between said volumes is what? 10k? Given the conditions and the variables, it's safe to say they're pretty much the same at the same point in time.

Yes I'm agitated for pointing out that TPN with its current boost and plethora of promotion still falls behind a volume of MHA released 2 years ago with none of tge bells and whistles that Neverland has.

 

[ShenGao]

And where did i say or implied that it is higher? neither said that comparing 7 volumes sales to one volume is a valid argument, what i meant is that there always been comparisons between each manga's (other series too not just MHA and TPN) respective volumes or their first year sales, pre-anime etc, but suddenly now the comparison became embrassing? i'm gonna ask the same question what is it with TPN that get people so riled up? because most of what i saw is people denying TPN's big success or not given it much credit for that.

You are the one who started this whole discussion 5 pages ago with your false information.

Currently TPN's latest volume (seventh) is doing better than what MHA's seventh volume did at its first week
My Hero Academia Vol.7: 149,444 (5 days)
The Promised Neverland Vol.7: 164,072 (4 days)

Nobody is going to deny TPN's success, but you can't expect people to be quiet when you post false information to make one thing look better than the other.

 

[TyVip]

Some information about major/minor awards

Kono Sugoi Manga Award apparently is a poll taken on the internet by fans (that's why it says this manga is amazing) and a lots of manga being in the nomation (20!!). Male Readers survey. You get to pat yourself on the back.

Manga Taisho has judges and two rounds of judging and a whole committee, don't see any prize money being mention. You get a pat on the back though.

Spoiler

This year’s first round of selection saw a total of 92 judges voting for 234 different works, with 14 of the top-voted works being nominated to move on to the next round. The second round required judges to read all nominated works and narrow them down to first, second, and third place finalists before picking one work out of the three to award the “Manga Taisho.”

Highest is Tezuka Award, you even get money awarded and a pat on the back.

so Kono Sugoi Award is a minor one. It's the same thing as 'this manga is voted by a lots of fans, check it out'. Like word of mouth but in magazine form.
Any manga that is on there get a boost, it's not uncommon. Maybe 5~10k at most.

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About time i'm going to start a campaign for Yuuna to win the Tezuka Award. Nominations list will be at the end of February.