Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2018] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Chuck_Atlas]

Will that mean that Spring Weapon May have a chance of survival? I follow the raws so I know that it entered into a more serious arc tho who know if it will actually end or let the author keep it and have an overreaching plot

If its the later well dam, maybe the universe doesnt want it to end

 

[Mr.Fujimaster]

don't count your chicken before they hatch.

For sure Jump will invest in an anime for RxL. It would be crazy if Jump did not invest.

 

[iceemperor]

Nah, there's no way it won't get an anime. I see it as part of the new generation of WSJ and the whole educational aspect to it really lends itself nicely for younger people and an anime would be ideal to make the world come to life. Everything about Dr. Stone screams out shounen and it just feels natural for it to get animated.

HZ sold worse than Stone for 3 years and behold it's upcoming anime is right around the corner.

This anime for Sumou can be seen as its last hope. They have tried almost everything bar an anime in trying to raise its sales, even a little bit. They gave it a crossover with Kuroko, had Kubo praise it on a wraparound, had it be advertised at sumo matches, etc. It didn't get TV promotions but you can say that's because it didn't catch on enough to do so. It must have done, and still is doing extraordinarily well, in questionnaire results to keep around despite not breaking 50k in the Top 50.

Dr. Stone, if it continues in this trend will be Sumou 2.0. Its getting reprints so we'll have to see how far that will go next volume but if I recall correctly, it had reprints last volume and it still didn't do particularly well. Right now, both Stone and Bokuben are losing to Kenja no Mago, a reincarnation story light novel which started in Narou and is serialized in Kadokawa's Young Ace Up, an free online manga magazine which has a fraction of Jump's influence. Stone and Bokuben might have longer legs but that doesn't mean they didn't start lower. I understand that Stone is ripe for an anime, a daytime anime. But to get that, the producers, not just Shueisha, have to see that their investment will be rewarded as daytime anime cost significantly more than late-night anime. I'd like to think the minimum for that is that its able to break 100k in the first week. Obviously this is an arbitrary line and not entirely accurate but most manga that got daytime anime have done so.

 

[SharkBait]

Dr. Stone is harmed by its artstyle, theres just no appeal for ugly designs in this day and age, similar to how zumou is hurt by its bulky characters people just dont want that these days.

 

[cody]

This anime for Sumou can be seen as its last hope. They have tried almost everything bar an anime in trying to raise its sales, even a little bit. They gave it a crossover with Kuroko, had Kubo praise it on a wraparound, had it be advertised at sumo matches, etc. It didn't get TV promotions but you can say that's because it didn't catch on enough to do so. It must have done, and still is doing extraordinarily well, in questionnaire results to keep around despite not breaking 50k in the Top 50.

Dr. Stone, if it continues in this trend will be Sumou 2.0. Its getting reprints so we'll have to see how far that will go next volume but if I recall correctly, it had reprints last volume and it still didn't do particularly well. Right now, both Stone and Bokuben are losing to Kenja no Mago, a reincarnation story light novel which started in Narou and is serialized in Kadokawa's Young Ace Up, an free online manga magazine which has a fraction of Jump's influence. Stone and Bokuben might have longer legs but that doesn't mean they didn't start lower. I understand that Stone is ripe for an anime, a daytime anime. But to get that, the producers, not just Shueisha, have to see that their investment will be rewarded as daytime anime cost significantly more than late-night anime. I'd like to think the minimum for that is that its able to break 100k in the first week. Obviously this is an arbitrary line and not entirely accurate but most manga that got daytime anime have done so.

Even if HZ doesn't boost the manga sales by much, it will have still received an anime, which is a huge achievement if you have a manga in WSJ. And if the manga finishes at around 20 something volumes, that's an amazing run for WSJ and on top of that the anime will cover 17 volumes and a crucial part of the story.


I don't see the point of bringing up stuff like Kenja no Mago, since WSJ mostly care about their own properties and they'll do their best to stay relevant as the biggest manga magazine by focusing on their own properties and that Kenja manga definitely came to life in a different way from what you would see in traditional magazines, that has a different demographic for sure, LN fans. How many other hit manga do Young Ace Up have, in comparison to WSJ?

WSJ manga don't seem to have many problems when it comes to getting anime adaptations, I can't be the only one that has noticed this, it looks like producers and studios will easily jump in on the chance to work with such a large publisher and magazine. If a manga in WSJ lives for 2-3 years or longer, then it's almost guaranteed to get an anime at some point, looking at recent trends.

Your minimum might have to change since I can't be the only one that can see that print sales are going down overall? I'm sure that WSJ manga do well in digital sales, but we'll never know, since those stats don't get released.

Edit: Dr. Stone doesn't necessarily need a daytime anime, but it's likely that's where it would end up. But considering the educational aspect of the manga, I could totally see NHK funding a season or two, for their educational channel, why not, right? The possibilities are endless.

Edit: And regarding Bokuben, it's the shounen romcom that is growing the most right now. Yuuna which is also from WSJ is also quite big and new, but what else is there when it comes to new shounen romance series, especially from the three big shounen manga magazines? Magazine from Kodansha have hit the jackpot with Kanojo, Okarishimasu and Go-Toubun no Hanayome , they're both doing quite well, but they're still behind Bokuben, they both have huge growth potential, but they're probably going to always be slightly behind Bokuben since Bokuben has more exposure.

 

[OfficialHxH]

About time my boi Kenta Shinohara come back. Astra in Space just finished or getting close to finish.

I believed it finished in December lol

 

[Tamil]

This anime for Sumou can be seen as its last hope. They have tried almost everything bar an anime in trying to raise its sales, even a little bit. They gave it a crossover with Kuroko, had Kubo praise it on a wraparound, had it be advertised at sumo matches, etc. It didn't get TV promotions but you can say that's because it didn't catch on enough to do so. It must have done, and still is doing extraordinarily well, in questionnaire results to keep around despite not breaking 50k in the Top 50.

Dr. Stone, if it continues in this trend will be Sumou 2.0. Its getting reprints so we'll have to see how far that will go next volume but if I recall correctly, it had reprints last volume and it still didn't do particularly well. Right now, both Stone and Bokuben are losing to Kenja no Mago, a reincarnation story light novel which started in Narou and is serialized in Kadokawa's Young Ace Up, an free online manga magazine which has a fraction of Jump's influence. Stone and Bokuben might have longer legs but that doesn't mean they didn't start lower. I understand that Stone is ripe for an anime, a daytime anime. But to get that, the producers, not just Shueisha, have to see that their investment will be rewarded as daytime anime cost significantly more than late-night anime. I'd like to think the minimum for that is that its able to break 100k in the first week. Obviously this is an arbitrary line and not entirely accurate but most manga that got daytime anime have done so.

I thought you said that praises/recommendations from mangaka's don't do anything to sales. Manga crossovers don't do a whole lot either, i.e One Piece x Toriko or Haikyuu!! x Nisekoi.

The fact that they're giving it an anime and it started a TS shows that they still have plans for the series. I'm not sure what you meant by "last hope" but I still see it ending natural even if the anime doesn't go so well.

 

[iceemperor]

I thought you said that praises/recommendations from mangaka's don't do anything to sales. Manga crossovers don't do a whole lot either, i.e One Piece x Toriko or Haikyuu!! x Nisekoi.

The fact that they're giving it an anime and it started a TS shows that they still have plans for the series. I'm not sure what you meant by "last hope" but I still see it ending natural even if the anime doesn't go so well.

They don't, but it does create the opportunity for more interest generated. This sounds contradictory but even if people don't buy the volume, they can start reading it in the magazine and then if they like it, they can buy the volumes from then on from the beginning. The recommendation itself doesn't do anything and the manga gained new readers on its own merit as people can just as well not buy volumes after reading. After all, the magazine itself is cheaper than the tankoubon and can easily be disposed of. Crossovers work in similar ways.

My saying "last hope" is that its the last chance to actually grow. Its entirely possible that if the anime doesn't go well that Kawada could be given a deadline to finish the series by. Do you see any other ways to make people aware of Sumou beyond the anime at this point? The anime has to be done that well. The material is top-notch so they've got that but direction has to be stellar.

 

[cody]

They don't, but it does create the opportunity for more interest generated. This sounds contradictory but even if people don't buy the volume, they can start reading it in the magazine and then if they like it, they can buy the volumes from then on from the beginning. The recommendation itself doesn't do anything and the manga gained new readers on its own merit as people can just as well not buy volumes after reading. After all, the magazine itself is cheaper than the tankoubon and can easily be disposed of. Crossovers work in similar ways.

My saying "last hope" is that its the last chance to actually grow. Its entirely possible that if the anime doesn't go well that Kawada could be given a deadline to finish the series by. Do you see any other ways to make people aware of Sumou beyond the anime at this point? The anime has to be done that well. The material is top-notch so they've got that but direction has to be stellar.

Heh, who would've thought the future of sumo would end up relying on an anime adaptation of all things xD. I agree, the directing will need to be top tier to really get some attention and even that might not be enough if the series is unlucky.
That's why they probably shouldn't mess around and just give it to Production I.G for an increased success rate and for better consistency, after looking at the other WSJ sports anime they dealt with and how insane the impact was for Kuroko and Haikyuu. If the fujos somehow get into HZ, even slightly, sumo will be saved, lmao xD.

There really is no other way to make sumo look cool. HZ managed to make sumo pretty fucking cool in my eyes and I respect it as a tradition and as a sport now. No, you know what, HZ is the coolest shit ever, that's how good the manga is.

Could that have been said before I was introduced to the manga? No way, I probably wouldn't have taken sumo too seriously ever.

It's the last beacon of hope sumo has to become cool and well liked with younger generations, this might sound like a crazy exaggeration, but the interest for sumo is dwindling by the day and less young Japanese people are willing to go for sumo as their careers, which isn't surprising considering what direction the world is taking and how the world is evolving. Not to mention, there were a lot of negative incidents that really took a toll on sumo's image in Japan.

 

[Nemesis]

Well, about Shonen Jump adaptations with Toei or Pierrot picking them, this will be ultimately Shueisha and the Committee choice when such anime exists. Of course, considering that they're not part of the actual committee because Toei is part of Precure and DBS, while Pierrot is part of Boruto, for example, and that means that they're investing their money in the different aspects of the anime beyond the actual animation process.

 

[Chuck_Atlas]

Wont lie, the sole reason I would be okay with Spring Weapon not ending yet is if either one of those 2 decide to animate it and spare any other manga in Jump from their grasp XD

Zumou definitely needs top notch direction to keep the feel and atmosphere from the manga and even draw just the tiny bit of attention from the audiences

 

[Nemesis]

Also, I will be honest that I don' have such problem with Toei or Pierrot. It will always depend to the staff of the anime and the director (which is in 90% of the cases, an freelancer and not part of the animation studio). The problem that people would see is the fact that it's not seasonal in most of the cases and that's true for Toei and a bit less for Pierrot because they mostly do long-running anime and the work on it is much more difficult than the other model, which needs a good pre-production like Pokemon Sun and Moon, Precure (for most of it's seasons) or Boruto and not what happened with DBS with got much better with the time for the future arcs but the problem with pre-production never could be changed and this part is essential.

 

[cody]

Well, about Shonen Jump adaptations with Toei or Pierrot picking them, this will be ultimately Shueisha and the Committee choice when such anime exists. Of course, considering that they're not part of the actual committee because Toei is part of Precure and DBS, while Pierrot is part of Boruto, for example, and that means that they're investing their money in the different aspects of the anime beyond the actual animation process.

True, which is why I like to consider adaptations come down to luck, especially with WSJ when you have two deadly factors: Toei and Pierrot, because Shueisha are very attached to both these studios unfortunately xD. It depends what a particular studio is already busy with and if they can squeeze in another , etc. It also depends if Shueisha approach the adaptation properly, like they did with Kuroko, Haikyuu for example.

Wont lie, the sole reason I would be okay with Spring Weapon not ending yet is if either one of those 2 decide to animate it and spare any other manga in Jump from their grasp XD

Zumou definitely needs top notch direction to keep the feel and atmosphere from the manga and even draw just the tiny bit of attention from the audiences

Not even Spring Weapon has those kinds of magic powers.

Also, I will be honest that I don' have such problem with Toei or Pierrot. It will always depend to the staff of the anime and the director (which is in 90% of the cases, an freelancer and not part of the animation studio). The problem that people would see is the fact that it's not seasonal in most of the cases and that's true for Toei and a bit less for Pierrot because they mostly do long-running anime and the work on it is much more difficult than the other model, which needs a good pre-production like Pokemon Sun and Moon, Precure (for most of it's seasons) or Boruto and not what happened with DBS with got much better with the time for the future arcs but the problem with pre-production never could be changed and this part is essential.

You don't have much of of problem with Toei or Pierrot, but I sure do. If Toei and Pierrot didn't have an awful recent continuous streak, then fine, but they're doing a pretty bad job. Toei and Pierrot have consistently disappointed repeatedly over the years. Whether we're talking about half of the show being occupied and wasted by shit fillers or if the production values and consistency are all over the place. They can make good anime and adaptations, but what are the chances things will go fine?

Yes, the part about freelancers is mostly true, but there are some studios that have very solid backbones when it comes to their non-freelance staff members and their studio infrastructure is simply miles ahead of other studios, like Bones, or at least their approach is better, those circumstances make up the exceptions, but boy does the difference show, right?

The biggest downfall for Toei and Pierrot probably is the fact that they're the last two studios that are still stubbornly clinging to this bad model of long running anime, but it looks like Pierrot are caving in slowly, since they're making more and more short anime.

Schedules are also very important, but things are barely getting any better in the industry, sadly, but the are baby steps happening.

With BNHA, Bones are really making sure the anime has a good production schedule, which shows just how important the anime studio can be.

 

[TyVip]

My saying "last hope" is that its the last chance to actually grow. Its entirely possible that if the anime doesn't go well that Kawada could be given a deadline to finish the series by. Do you see any other ways to make people aware of Sumou beyond the anime at this point? The anime has to be done that well. The material is top-notch so they've got that but direction has to be stellar.

I think HZ has a high possibility to go from 40k to 100k/volume. That is reasonable.

That would be 60k backlog multiply by the number of volumes (60000*17 = 1 million+). Which is pretty awesome.
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But let's be real here, HZ won't cause a storm of kids wanting to become a sumo no matter how good the adaption is. It is way too different sport compare to Slam Dunk (basketball) or Haikyuu (volleyball).
- Haikyuu stats

 

[cody]

I think HZ has a high possibility to go from 40k to 100k/volume. That is reasonable.

That would be 60k backlog multiply by the number of volumes (60000*17 = 1 million+). Which is pretty awesome.
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But let's be real here, HZ won't cause a storm of kids wanting to become a sumo no matter how good the adaption is. It is way too different sport compare to Slam Dunk (basketball) or Haikyuu (volleyball).
- Haikyuu stats

This is where the fujoshi come in.

 

[Nemesis]

True, which is why I like to consider adaptations come down to luck, especially with WSJ when you have two deadly factors: Toei and Pierrot, because Shueisha are very attached to both these studios unfortunately xD. It depends what a particular studio is already busy with and if they can squeeze in another , etc. It also depends if Shueisha approach the adaptation properly, like they did with Kuroko, Haikyuu for example.



Not even Spring Weapon has those kinds of magic powers.




You don't have much of of problem with Toei or Pierrot, but I sure do. If Toei and Pierrot didn't have an awful recent continuous streak, then fine, but they're doing a pretty bad job. Toei and Pierrot have consistently disappointed repeatedly over the years. Whether we're talking about half of the show being occupied and wasted by shit fillers or if the production values and consistency are all over the place. They can make good anime and adaptations, but what are the chances things will go fine?

Yes, the part about freelancers is mostly true, but there are some studios that have very solid backbones when it comes to their non-freelance staff members and their studio infrastructure is simply miles ahead of other studios, like Bones, or at least their approach is better, those circumstances make up the exceptions, but boy does the difference show, right?

The biggest downfall for Toei and Pierrot probably is the fact that they're the last two studios that are still stubbornly clinging to this bad model of long running anime, but it looks like Pierrot are caving in slowly, since they're making more and more short anime.

Schedules are also very important, but things are barely getting any better in the industry, sadly, but the are baby steps happening.

With BNHA, Bones are really making sure the anime has a good production schedule, which shows just how important the anime studio can be.

They're not really the last studios that are doing this and in most of these times, they're contracted to make these by other companies because they do long-running and these companies want these models, with Shueisha being an example of this. There's also a big bunch of shows that are long-running (in fact, the most popular anime in Japan are long-running as we can see by the ratings) with studios like OLM, TMS Entertainment, Nippon Animation and others making them.

And I would say that, being an long-running anime, you can't really compare it to seasonal. It's another model and as such, it'll be much more easy to make such feats when in an long-running sometimes you'll be getting some episodes not in the same quality. Even then, as someone who watches Pokemon Sun and Moon, Boruto, DBS and Precure, I would say that those anime have great animation moments and are really on the top in this regard for such model and even in comparison to some seasonals. Precure and Sun/Moon then, jesus, it's just amazing.

 

[cody]

They're not really the last studios that are doing this and in most of these times, they're contracted to make these by other companies because they do long-running and these companies want these models, with Shueisha being an example of this. There's also a big bunch of shows that are long-running (in fact, the most popular anime in Japan are long-running as we can see by the ratings) with studios like OLM, TMS Entertainment, Nippon Animation and others making them.

And I would say that, being an long-running anime, you can't really compare it to seasonal. It's another model and as such, it'll be much more easy to make such feats when in an long-running sometimes you'll be getting some episodes not in the same quality. Even then, as someone who watches Pokemon Sun and Moon, Boruto, DBS and Precure, I would say that those anime have great animation moments and are really on the top in this regard for such model and even in comparison to some seasonals. Precure and Sun/Moon then, jesus, it's just amazing.

Yes, you are right, there are a bunch of long-running anime, but they're mostly for children. As someone that watches Pokemon sun and moon as well, I'm seriously impressed with OLM and their new animation technologies, it's magical what they can achieve and the consistency is what impresses me the most, Pokemon sun and moon is a hidden gem in plain sight, it's almost unbelievable how good the show is. I can't speak about Precure. But Boruto and DBS might have good animation moments, but their consistency isn't quite there yet and I think you can agree on that.

 

[Nemesis]

Yes, you are right, there are a bunch of long-running anime, but they're mostly for children. As someone that watches Pokemon sun and moon as well, I'm seriously impressed with OLM and their new animation technologies, it's magical what they can achieve and the consistency is what impresses me the most, Pokemon sun and moon is a hidden gem in plain sight, it's almost unbelievable how good the show is. I can't speak about Precure. But Boruto and DBS might have good animation moments, but their consistency isn't quite there yet and I think you can agree on that.

Yeah, the problem of an long-running anime is indeed the inconsistency of the animation, in which case Sun and Moon is a rare find for me since it's almost in the same level and Precure too. And definitely, DBS and Boruto aren't consistent in animation, even if in the case of the first one, it's more consistent compared to the beginning, but still not the same. So yeah, I agree in that regard.

But while I'm defending this and I like those animes, I'm more of a seasonal guy too so I'm always preferring this model in comparison to the others.

 

[cody]

Yeah, the problem of an long-running anime is indeed the inconsistency of the animation, in which case Sun and Moon is a rare find for me since it's almost in the same level and Precure too. And definitely, DBS and Boruto aren't consistent in animation, even if in the case of the first one, it's more consistent compared to the beginning, but still not the same. So yeah, I agree in that regard.

But while I'm defending this and I like those animes, I'm more of a seasonal guy too so I'm always preferring this model in comparison to the others.

Well, maybe Toei will fix their shit with their new improved HQ and modern studio. We might be praising Toei a few years from now, a complete 180 could happen and that would be interesting. OLM and their Sun and Moon production is proof that amazing things can be achieved long-term with the right technology advancements.

 

[RafaFedKilla]

What is the exact panel for those that were reading by alternative methods?