And? So jump will promote newer series with higher potential to find newer audiences as their new big series. This isn't new. We saw this with Toriko as well despite it selling nowhere near Bleach.
Yeah, because despite its decline its still a big franchise for them. They can't shun it for losing sales, as all old series do. But they will start giving a higher preference to newer series even if they don't sell as much.
Toriko was put ahead of Bleach as a pillar from 2011 despite Bleach selling 700k a volume, despite bleach still having its anime running, despite the fact that Bleach got a 5 page extended CP for the start of the final arc and it still being popular.
At the end of the day, all old series will lose sales after hitting their peak. Right now One Piece sales barely touch 3 million a volume as opposed to how it was 2 years ago where it touched 3.5 million easily. When it comes to a point, the magazine will prioritise a newer series even if it doesn't sell much. Watch it happen to MHA, TPN if they last long enough to hit the peak and start dropping.
Jump Force is being marketed as an international game compared to J-stars being entirely Japan focused after all, and Toriko didn't exactly hit it off much in western markets.
MHA being next up seems likely, that or maybe Saint Seiya.
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Perhaps we could see HxH revealed for Jump Force the issue before the manga returns, to hype up the next batch of chapters.
My list of titles that are going to have, having in count is going to be fighting titles mainly. I'm not counting for the moment titles like Death Note (yet I see Slam Dunk, Captain Tsubasa, or Haikyuu making cameos like Light and Ryuk did)
-Dragon Ball (confirmed)
-One Piece (confirmed)
-Naruto (confirmed)
-Beach (confirmed)
-Boku no Hero Academia
-JoJo
-Saint Seiya
-HunterxHunter
-Yu Yu Hakusho
-Hokuto no Ken
-Kenshin
-Kinnikuman
-Black Clover
-D.Grayman
-Katekyo Hitman Reborn
-Toriko
-Maybe Hoshin Engi
-Maybe Rokudenashi Blues
-If there is justice, Ring ni Kakero
The biggest question I think for Jump Force though is whether it's a sequel or an entirely new thing (since the art's different but is still Spike Chunsoft). Essentially will it have all the J-stars cast + extras? Or will it drop the characters not well known in the west in favour of having a cast people can actually go out of support the series of most places?
There's also of course the Rurouni Kenshin question, Japanese fans might not mind too much but I can definitely see its inclusion gathering some international controversy.
To add to that Jump didn't even give Toriko its own Fan day you would think they would have given it a day like One piece but its not even there, there were a lot of shonen titles that came out around the 2000s yet shueisha felt these 12 titles were the ones who left a lasting impression in the 2000s that should get special spot lights for themselves
July 20 (Friday) "BLEACH" DAY
July 27 (Friday) "ONE PIECE" DAY
August 3 (Friday) "My Hero Accademia" DAY
August 7 (Tuesday) "D.Gray-man" DAY
August 10 (Friday) "HUNTER × HUNTER" DAY
August 17 (Friday) "Gintama" DAY
August 21 (Tuesday) "NARUTO" DAY
August 24 (Friday) "DEATH NOTE" DAY
August 28 (Tuesday) "Katekyo Hitman REBORN!" DAY
September 4 (Tuesday) "The Prince of Tennis" DAY
September 11 (Tuesday) "Kuroko no Basket" DAY
September 18 (Tuesday) "Haikyuu" DAY
^That is embrassing. There's a HITMAN REBORN and DGM Day over a Toriko one. Pretty soon they'll start tracking down all copies of those One Piece/DBZ crossover specials to destroy them.
^That is embrassing. There's a HITMAN REBORN and DGM Day over a Toriko one. Pretty soon they'll start tracking down all copies of those One Piece/DBZ crossover specials to destroy them.
Gose to show those titles left a far Bigger impression then Toriko with Fans growing bigger everyday and they had to work for their success all by themselves while Torko was getting help from DBZ and OP
To be fair DGM is technically still 'on-going' and Reborn has a new project undergoes. Kuroko has a live action project underway so ofc they still want to keep it around/promote it. But yeah i know what you mean.
Also, there is no To Love Ru day, the entire list is invalid. 10 years 36 volumes 4 seasons of anime, numerous games and merchandise.
To be fair DGM is technically still 'on-going' and Reborn has a new project undergoes. Kuroko has a live action project underway so ofc they still want to keep it around/promote it. But yeah i know what you mean.
Also, there is no To Love Ru day, the entire list is invalid. 10 years 36 volumes 4 seasons of anime, numerous games and merchandise.
To be fair Reborn also has the Bunko Volumes and they been topping the amazon Bunko charts for 5 months hence why I think its getting a stage in the first place. Tho I agree about To Love Ru it would be Nice if Jump extended the fan days for more series.
To add to that Jump didn't even give Toriko its own Fan day you would think they would have given it a day like One piece but its not even there, there were a lot of shonen titles that came out around the 2000s yet shueisha felt these 12 titles were the ones who left a lasting impression in the 2000s that should get special spot lights for themselves
I mean it was for 12 series only that's what Jump said since because people in japan were asking the same questions and they said it was for the 50th anniversary I find it pretty dumb tho like if your gonna do fan days for Vol 3 why not do all the series that have their own museums ?
Edit if it makes anyone feel batter Crunchyroll also report on this
Man, all this talk about Toriko hurts me as a die hard fan but it's totally true. You guys can probably now see why I desperately want Build King or whatever new series that Shimabu comes out with to be a huge hit. It's sad that his success from Takeshi and Toriko (pre-anime) is not being recognized.
Gose to show those titles left a far Bigger impression then Toriko with Fans growing bigger everyday and they had to work for their success all by themselves while Torko was getting help from DBZ and OP
Toriko did work for it's success though. It was actually considered to be a success even before the anime aired. It did around the mid-high 200k's before the anime dropped & iirc the EiC at the time was crying because the first 2 volumes did well. It's sad since Toriko was clearly on track of being a pretty big hit but Shueisha or whoever fucked it up by giving it this huge push.
Also, I see this talk of Shimabu having to piggy back off of Oda and/or Toriko only got popular/success through the OP/DBZ crossovers being popular mainly among westerners. I don't blame them since their exposure to Toriko was when it was in the process of getting pushed hard, whereas in Japan they knew Shimabu from his Takeshi days. Like I said before, I want to see whatever new series Shimabu comes up with to be hit among westerners and give him the respect he deserves.
Fucking hell, crossovers aside, it's crazy to see that Toriko got a movie before the anime even dropped. MHA is now getting it's movie with it's successful anime supporting it. The push for Toriko was truly insane. It also got it's second movie in 2013. It even had 2 OVA's by 2 different studios before the anime came out. When was the last time a series got pushed as hard (or harder) as Toriko?
Man, all this talk about Toriko hurts me as a die hard fan but it's totally true. You guys can probably now see why I desperately want Build King or whatever new series that Shimabu comes out with to be a huge hit. It's sad that his success from Takeshi and Toriko (pre-anime) is not being recognized.
Toriko did work for it's success though. It was actually considered to be a success even before the anime aired. It did around the mid-high 200k's before the anime dropped & iirc the EiC at the time was crying because the first 2 volumes did well. It's sad since Toriko was clearly on track of being a pretty big hit but Shueisha or whoever fucked it up by giving it this huge push.
Also, I see this talk of Shimabu having to piggy back off of Oda and/or Toriko only got popular/success through the OP/DBZ crossovers being popular mainly among westerners. I don't blame them since their exposure to Toriko was when it was in the process of getting pushed hard, whereas in Japan they knew Shimabu from his Takeshi days. Like I said before, I want to see whatever new series Shimabu comes up with to be hit among westerners and give him the respect he deserves.
Fucking hell, crossovers aside, it's crazy to see that Toriko got a movie before the anime even dropped. MHA is now getting it's movie with it's successful anime supporting it. The push for Toriko was truly insane. It also got it's second movie in 2013. It even had 2 OVA's by 2 different studios before the anime came out. When was the last time a series got pushed as hard (or harder) as Toriko?
The thing is however that a push doesn't kill a series. Toriko's chances of becoming that mega hit Jump wanted it to become weren't held back because of this big push because its TV ratings were quite good. It simply didn't catch on. I think its video game sales were quite good but its movie box office was abysmal. People were watching and reading it but simply didn't want to buy the volumes or go to the movie. Part of it might have to do with the character design as its not something fujoshi can latch onto though its not always true as All Might and Endeavor caught on. Heroaca itself didn't explode until the second season. All I can really say is that the content itself failed to make people catch on. As a fan this is sad to me as it was classic Jump battle shounen. BC can sort of be considered to be in Toriko's vein, which itself was in OP's vein. You can see how series after OP that are written with straight Jump battle shounen tend not to struggle recently. BC itself finally hit 300k in physical sales after 2 cours of the anime.
The thing is however that a push doesn't kill a series. Toriko's chances of becoming that mega hit Jump wanted it to become weren't held back because of this big push because its TV ratings were quite good. It simply didn't catch on. I think its video game sales were quite good but its movie box office was abysmal. People were watching and reading it but simply didn't want to buy the volumes or go to the movie. Part of it might have to do with the character design as its not something fujoshi can latch onto though its not always true as All Might and Endeavor caught on. Heroaca itself didn't explode until the second season. All I can really say is that the content itself failed to make people catch on. As a fan this is sad to me as it was classic Jump battle shounen. BC can sort of be considered to be in Toriko's vein, which itself was in OP's vein. You can see how series after OP that are written with straight Jump battle shounen tend not to struggle recently. BC itself finally hit 300k in physical sales after 2 cours of the anime.
I know we saw Toriko's manga sales decline as early as 2012 iirc but what about the TV ratings? The TV ratings weren't anywhere close to DB kai (I know expecting it to be on DB Kai's level is foolish but you get where I'm going with this. My memory with Toriko's TV rating is hazy, it started off like 8% then didn't it drop to like 5-6% quickly then doing like 4% at times? I felt like for a kids anime it would rarely utilize Shimabu's gags and would usually skip it or gloss through it. The anime never felt like a kids adaptation to Toriko, hell it didn't really give me that Toriko vibe, it felt like I was watching a heavily watered down version of One Piece. Basically it never really felt like it had it's own identity. The anime directing was super stale.
Toei could've handled the series a lot better, even when you look at lens of a children audience. Can't you also blame the disconnect with the anime & manga? I mean Toriko's manga was super violent, so maybe parents didn't want their kids buying the volumes? I remember seeing quite a bit of fujoshi art with characters like Toriko x Coco, Coco x Sunny & even Zebra x Komatsu so I don't agree with that. Of course, Toriko x Komatsu is there too and Shimabu would make gags out of that. While the fujoshi presence wasn't anywhere as big as say Haikyuu, it was still there to the point where the mangaka made gags out of it.
People had issues with the content itself when the exploration aspect was put aside during the cooking festival arc and didn't really start till like mid 2013. Toriko's manga sales decline was in 2012. I can't really see the argument for Toriko's content not catching on with people.
Man, all this talk about Toriko hurts me as a die hard fan but it's totally true. You guys can probably now see why I desperately want Build King or whatever new series that Shimabu comes out with to be a huge hit. It's sad that his success from Takeshi and Toriko (pre-anime) is not being recognized.
Toriko did work for it's success though. It was actually considered to be a success even before the anime aired. It did around the mid-high 200k's before the anime dropped & iirc the EiC at the time was crying because the first 2 volumes did well. It's sad since Toriko was clearly on track of being a pretty big hit but Shueisha or whoever fucked it up by giving it this huge push.
Also, I see this talk of Shimabu having to piggy back off of Oda and/or Toriko only got popular/success through the OP/DBZ crossovers being popular mainly among westerners. I don't blame them since their exposure to Toriko was when it was in the process of getting pushed hard, whereas in Japan they knew Shimabu from his Takeshi days. Like I said before, I want to see whatever new series Shimabu comes up with to be hit among westerners and give him the respect he deserves.
Fucking hell, crossovers aside, it's crazy to see that Toriko got a movie before the anime even dropped. MHA is now getting it's movie with it's successful anime supporting it. The push for Toriko was truly insane. It also got it's second movie in 2013. It even had 2 OVA's by 2 different studios before the anime came out. When was the last time a series got pushed as hard (or harder) as Toriko?
Don't get me wrong I personally don't have issues with Toriko its just back in the day I saw too much cross primotion with it and OP ( cross over manga short if I remember) and this was when the series was still very early and I was thinking "this is happening too soon let it build before you think about a crossover " I honestly don't know why Toriko is being ignored for the 50th anniversary since I do believe it has a place among the 12 that are getting spotlight for vol 3 anniversary.
Part of it might have to do with the character design as its not something fujoshi can latch onto though its not always true as All Might and Endeavor caught on.
Forget about fujoshi fanbase for one second, I do believe Toriko failed to capture the female Jump readers overall. There is almost no female (main cast) characters with enough screen-time for any female readers to relate to. Take One Piece for example, there are fans say they are relate to Nami and Robin and want to root for them.
But here lies another problem, the way he wrote the Four Heavenly Kings and Komatsu synergies so well that i don't think he can change any of them into a female and make it as dynamic as it currently is. It's a catch-22 lol.
Lastly, the exploration is the best part of Toriko. Cooking Festival pale in comparison.
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