Discussion Least Favorite Aspects/Dislikes of NNT

[Aldan]

Elizabeth is just Mel’s girlfriend. Doesn’t even seem to have any importance to her own clan beyond being the SD’s daughter. All she does during confrontations is cry, call for Meliodas, say she’s going to do something but really not do anything, and heal occasionally.

The only one I think is a well written female is Merlin. She doesn’t cry for others to come rescue her, can handle herself in battle, doesn’t need saving, isn’t obsessed about love, and is mostly confident when confronting most situations.

At least as long as the situation doesn’t involve. Arthur. If it involves Arthur, she melts down. But we don’t know why yet, and the reason clearly isn’t nt because she’s in love with him.

I will disagree with your perception of Elizabeth because regardless of her "damsel in distress" status, she displays both wisdom and maturity in many situations, even in her princess incarnation. She's not just some stock standard Orihime who heals the enemy and cries helplessly. Se makes an active effort to fight against powerful enemies, supporting her allies and offering comfort for her allies when things seem grim. She fights to protect others, takes active note of enemy abilities to assist in any way she can, and definitely demonstrates wisdom and a willingness for self-sacrifice. Meliodas is toxic to her character in many respects, but definitely offers dimension considering her most selfish aspects come out when regarding saving him.

Needless to say, I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of Merlin and will add that her breakdown about arthur is almost definitely based on a maternal instinct. Plus, Nakaba's handling of her inability to understand grief after such an insanely long lifetime being restored by Elizabeth's touching gesture was done with such aplomb and was one of my favourite moments in any manga series

 

[Commanderaxe]

I agree with Zeldris (His moment will come when Gelda get's brought up. Somehow Meliodas having blasted a crater when confronted by her is gonna get revealed and Zel snaps.). Though with Ban, I don't think a power up was ever necessary, it seemed forced that they made him seem so useless against Melasculla (couldn't steal her heart. HE'S HELPLESS inspite of being able to steal perception strength and likely vitality.) Ban power was so versitile that one wasn't necessary and it was forced and show lack of imagination or awareness on Nakaba part.

Well in terms of overall power he quite lacks. His cap, was about, 20k? Against the majority of high tiers, actually against enemy commandment really, that would simply not have worked. Considering he wasn't even able to finish Galan off and Galan had the weakest power level of all, except for his critical over. Zero sign worked because Melascula was off guard as well as physically weak, but he is far outclassed. For Nakaba to even show him off in a positive manner he'd have to massively power Ban's ability's up, whether through his base power, or his hunter fest limit. Most likely it will be both.

 

[Gut's is the man]

Well in terms of overall power he quite lacks. His cap, was about, 20k? Against the majority of high tiers, actually against enemy commandment really, that would simply not have worked. Considering he wasn't even able to finish Galan off and Galan had the weakest power level of all, except for his critical over. Zero sign worked because Melascula was off guard as well as physically weak, but he is far outclassed. For Nakaba to even show him off in a positive manner he'd have to massively power Ban's ability's up, whether through his base power, or his hunter fest limit. Most likely it will be both.

Does Ban really need to be powerful? His ability is already broken and he's immortal, that open more door with him using his power cleverly then jus thim being strong. He likely tortured galan on purpose.

 

[T25]

Does Ban really need to be powerful? His ability is already broken and he's immortal, that open more door with him using his power cleverly then jus thim being strong. He likely tortured galan on purpose.

Suggests he struggled a bit no?

 

[Commanderaxe]

Does Ban really need to be powerful? His ability is already broken and he's immortal, that open more door with him using his power cleverly then jus thim being strong. He likely tortured galan on purpose.

As T25 displayed, he got rekt. Same with the fodder skeletons. Ban is really sub par compared to his comrades

 

[OtakuFreak]

As T25 displayed, he got rekt. Same with the fodder skeletons. Ban is really sub par compared to his comrades

bUt HeS iMmOrTaL

ImMoRTaLiTy = WiNnAbIlItY

Ban eventually fodderizes even the Gods with his level of sustain

Demon King? Supreme Goddess? New phone who dis, I know only of Daddy Ban and his tHiCc SnAtCh

 

[Commanderaxe]

bUt HeS iMmOrTaL

ImMoRTaLiTy = WiNnAbIlItY

Ban eventually fodderizes even the Gods with his level of sustain

Demon King? Supreme Goddess? New phone who dis, I know only of Daddy Ban and his tHiCc SnAtCh

People always think immortality always wins lmao. If im a weak scrawny b*tch who cant bench press a 10 pound dumbell, but i'm immortal, does it mean I could do shit to The Rock? Hell no. That f*cker can bash my head on a pike 50 times in a row. Only thing i'd do is sit there and heal while I contemplate my own delicate immortal life.

 

[OtakuFreak]

People always think immortality always wins lmao. If im a weak scrawny b*tch who cant bench press a 10 pound dumbell, but i'm immortal, does it mean I could do shit to The Rock? Hell no. That f*cker can bash my head on a pike 50 times in a row. Only thing i'd do is sit there and heal while I contemplate my own delicate immortal life.

But Ban's immortality gives him an eternal source of sustain. Eventually, the opponnent who doesn't have immortality as well would eventually run out of juice.

Even The Rock would eventually be brought to his knees, would just take a long time and a painful process of being killed > revived etc.

Now that I think about it, the fountain of youth is stupid OP, why didn't the Gods claim it for themselves?

 

[Aldan]

But Ban's immortality gives him an eternal source of sustain. Eventually, the opponnent who doesn't have immortality as well would eventually run out of juice.

Even The Rock would eventually be brought to his knees, would just take a long time and a painful process of being killed > revived etc.

Now that I think about it, the fountain of youth is stupid OP, why didn't the Gods claim it for themselves?

Hellblaze can nullify it do I assume there are other abilities which can undo it. Even Melascula's poison renders it pretty worthless

 

[OtakuFreak]

Hellblaze can nullify it do I assume there are other abilities which can undo it. Even Melascula's poison renders it pretty worthless

Melascula's poison just rendered Ban helpless into falling out of a cycle of healing and being hurt. It didn't actually render his immortal inactive, which hellblaze does.

As long as the enemy doesn't have anti-immortality abilities, Ban always wins due to his eternal sustain (on paper)

 

[Aldan]

Melascula's poison just rendered Ban helpless into falling out of a cycle of healing and being hurt. It didn't actually render his immortal inactive, which hellblaze does.

As long as the enemy doesn't have anti-immortality abilities, Ban always wins due to his eternal sustain (on paper)

In theory. But also account for the fact that many characters wouldnt even need to do anything to Ban, they'd simply be too powerful for him to handle. Take his "fight" with Estarossa. Gets wounded just trying to hurt someone who isnt fighting back.

 

[Commanderaxe]

But Ban's immortality gives him an eternal source of sustain. Eventually, the opponnent who doesn't have immortality as well would eventually run out of juice.

Even The Rock would eventually be brought to his knees, would just take a long time and a painful process of being killed > revived etc.

Now that I think about it, the fountain of youth is stupid OP, why didn't the Gods claim it for themselves?

As Aldan said some people are simply too powerful to be effected. Or they could just kill him, walk away while hes being revived. He finds them, kills him again, etc, etc.

 

[Surge44]

Idk if it was mentioned but I feel the mangaka can’t write a good romance. Maybe it’s just me being disturbed by all the Loli matchups. Oh and I dislike how Nakaba wrote early Elizabeth, pretty much made me cringe whenever I see her even though she greatly improved

 

[HereNThere]

Idk if it was mentioned but I feel the mangaka can’t write a good romance. Maybe it’s just me being disturbed by all the Loli matchups. Oh and I dislike how Nakaba wrote early Elizabeth, pretty much made me cringe whenever I see her even though she greatly improved

In terms of romance writing, I feel that's one of those things where your mileage may vary. I only like how one or two of the romances were handled in this series, but the rest I hate, mainly because of how the women are portrayed in them.

The Shota/Loli thing is definitely rather odd.

Early Elizabeth is terrible. I still wish she were One Shot Elizabeth.

 

[Gut's is the man]

In terms of romance writing, I feel that's one of those things where your mileage may vary. I only like how one or two of the romances were handled in this series, but the rest I hate, mainly because of how the women are portrayed in them.

The Shota/Loli thing is definitely rather odd.

Early Elizabeth is terrible. I still wish she were One Shot Elizabeth.

Nakaba is not a strong writer of women.

I consider that more to do with two major romances being fairies. (it being sexual though is uncomfortable) Meliodas and Zeldris however have the excuse of being muscular and not really looking that munch like kids.

While I get why the original personalty for Mel wasn't chosen. (doesn't fit his background or character) One shot liz fits more what Liz is.

 

[revo]

Elizabeth could've developed several times. With Meliodas's death her character looked to be a bit mature and all that was taken when Mel was back.
Same with her curse activated, the memories of 107 lifes should've been an impact to her but her character got stuck in the same or worse, it feels like a more immature Elizabeth Liones.
Even if I like her, the wasted potential of this character is other of my least favorite things.

 

[OtakuFreak]

Elizabeth could've developed several times. With Meliodas's death her character looked to be a bit mature and all that was taken when Mel was back.
Same with her curse activated, the memories of 107 lifes should've been an impact to her but her character got stuck in the same or worse, it feels like a more immature Elizabeth Liones.
Even if I like her, the wasted potential of this character is other of my least favorite things.

I'm hoping that the current battle is the kick up the backside for Elizabeth to drop her peacemaker ideals if she wants to save Mael, Meliodas and end the war.

And simultaneously whilst she develops like that she absorbs the blessings.

It's the perfect moment for her character to develop and shine tbh

 

[Inuhanyou123]

I'm hoping that the current battle is the kick up the backside for Elizabeth to drop her peacemaker ideals if she wants to save Mael, Meliodas and end the war.

And simultaneously whilst she develops like that she absorbs the blessings.

It's the perfect moment for her character to develop and shine tbh

Be disappointed.

The main problem i have with Nakaba's writing is that his set up is so great, yet the execution is so poor. After Elizabeth awakened, her character became very inconsistent.

Sometimes being a badass who could help like against chandler, actually fighting against estarossa with the squad and even by herself against him. Other times she just lets herself get kidnapped like with meliodas, then has to be protected from estarossa and zeldris, then again right after she was cool with estarossa, and now she's just sitting around having no voice or opinion on what's going on at all besides having to be told who to heal.

Its very annoying

 

[Mythoclast]

-Arthur not getting more screen time.

 

[Gut's is the man]

I'm hoping that the current battle is the kick up the backside for Elizabeth to drop her peacemaker ideals if she wants to save Mael, Meliodas and end the war.

And simultaneously whilst she develops like that she absorbs the blessings.

It's the perfect moment for her character to develop and shine tbh

She could let the war end by letting Mel absorb the commandments and call of the alliance.