Games Mafia Game 68 - World of Warcraft: End Game - Missing Night Actions

[Hardy]

Pretty sure Empty gave it to Demon, she said something like that? Which means Desin gave it to me to make me look like an asshole, or he gave it to dd/lambu hoping to fuck them at night and as they died it got randomly sorted to me? Is that how it works?

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We are going to kill desin today, right?

So, this is what I suggest. We are going to test Gary's role. He is going to target me and tell us next day who I gave the Bomb to. Of course, I am not going to reveal it today.

Are you fine with this?

While it's a good plan, I don't think the role works like that. Suppose you are a mafia and you kill Empty, and give the bomb to Evil, a spy wouldn't get 2 results, but the one target that you performed your real action.

 

[Evil3ye]

That makes no sense, why would he give it to either of us today when numbers are so heavily on the town's side (even if they trully expected 3 convenient kills for wtv reason), to lose votes? Why would demon and me as mafias want the bomb today when neither has been a target, I'm even ASKING to know who to give it to...

Wow, very convincing argument that you are even asking who to give it to, like a mafia cares what we say

Ayyy poopie, no sense you make. Someone better conviniently give it to you again tomorrow again. Count goes like that:

Day 5: Desin lost his bomb, gets killed today. 2 mafia vs 5 townies
Night 5: mafias pass the bombs to each other, kill a townie. 2 mafia vs 4 townies.
Day 6: lynching a mafia with a bomb. 1 mafia vs 3 townies.
Night 6: kill a townie: 1 mafia vs 2 townies
Probably double lynch, since one can't vote

And that in a scenario where townies have a perfect score and get all lynches right. One mislynch it's over and you know it.

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 28, 2018, Original Post Date: Oct 28, 2018 ---

So, this is what I suggest. We are going to test Gary's role. He is going to target me and tell us next day who I gave the Bomb to. Of course, I am not going to reveal it today.

Yeah, absolutely not what you say. He should go for my or Empty, if he guesses the targets, it's easy to confirm each other. But it's 50:50 since one of us gonna die tonight.

 

[EmptySoul]

What,why should we be testing xi0 at this point? Hes clear townie imo tbh and him wasting a spy on either of us townies just to confirm himself would just be a waste

 

[Demonspeed]

So, what do are your suggestions?

 

[Evil3ye]

Why would Desin give it to Hardy if he knows hes the one whos being lynched today
I think he was just trying to handicap a town player tbh

I don't really know how it works, as I never had it thus never was in the situation to ask, but perhaps you have to give it away, and cannot keep it for potentially the rest of the game.

@Copy Panda could you help us understand this special mechanic?

 

[Hardy]

Wow, very convincing argument that you are even asking who to give it to, like a mafia cares what we say

Ayyy poopie, no sense you make. Someone better conviniently give it to you again tomorrow again. Count goes like that:

Day 5: Desin lost his bomb, gets killed today. 2 mafia vs 5 townies
Night 5: mafias pass the bombs to each other, kill a townie. 2 mafia vs 4 townies.
Day 6: lynching a mafia with a bomb. 1 mafia vs 3 townies.
Night 6: kill a townie: 1 mafia vs 2 townies
Probably double lynch, since one can't vote

And that in a scenario where townies have a perfect score and get all lynches right. One mislynch it's over and you know it.

Your whole point is about mafias passing the bomb around them. If I'm mafia, and I'm ASKING YOU TO TELL ME WHO TO PASS IT ON, how the fuck would that plan work? You tell me to pass it to you, and I pass it to someone else... I'M GONNA LOOK VERY CONVINCING!

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What,why should we be testing xi0 at this point? Hes clear townie imo tbh and him wasting a spy on either of us townies just to confirm himself would just be a waste

...how is he a clear townie? What has he done?

 

[Evil3ye]

Your whole point is about mafias passing the bomb around them. If I'm mafia, and I'm ASKING YOU TO TELL ME WHO TO PASS IT ON, how the fuck would that plan work? You tell me to pass it to you, and I pass it to someone else... I'M GONNA LOOK VERY CONVINCING!

It's not like me telling you to pass to person X will ensure you passing it to person X.
To come back to your own words: "Despite everyone telling Emp Stripper to blow up desin, he went for Lambu."

 

[Hardy]

It's not like me telling you to pass to person X will ensure you passing it to person X.
To come back to your own words: "Despite everyone telling Emp Stripper to blow up desin, he went for Lambu."

Yeah, and HE said HE wanted to keep it a secret. Obvious reason why he didn't go for desin then, I guess. I'm doing the total opposite, I'M ASKING...

 

[Evil3ye]

So, what do are your suggestions?

I suggest that @Holt takes one out tonight.

 

[Copy Panda]

(ahem)

1. the special mechanic, as stated earlier, does not interact with other roles immediately, as it is the last thing to happen. The DTV is always given away. Roles do not interact with the mechanic (spy, bk, escort) (except for defuser as the rules say).

So a mafia det would see bomb instead of their original role after the fact, but a spy can't see who it's passed to. A DTV as a bomb could claim they're DTV but an apprentice would become a bomb instead od the orignal role etc.

 

[Evil3ye]

Yeah, and HE said HE wanted to keep it a secret. Obvious reason why he didn't go for desin then, I guess. I'm doing the total opposite, I'M ASKING...

Pass it to @Holt.

If he takes out the other one from demon, we can confirm he legit and not like he can do anything else with his role after.

 

[desin24]

gotta love this game, especially how much the NVD can fuck up both parties

 

[Evil3ye]

(ahem)

1. the special mechanic, as stated earlier, does not interact with other roles immediately, as it is the last thing to happen. The DTV is always given away. Roles do not interact with the mechanic (spy, bk, escort) (except for defuser as the rules say).

So a mafia det would see bomb instead of their original role after the fact, but a spy can't see who it's passed to. A DTV as a bomb could claim they're DTV but an apprentice would become a bomb instead od the orignal role etc.

Ok, you didn't answer if we can keep the bomb without passing it.

 

[Hardy]

Pass it to @Holt.

If he takes out the other one from demon, we can confirm he legit and not like he can do anything else with his role after.

I'm sorry I don't get this at all...

 

[Copy Panda]

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Ok, you didn't answer if we can keep the bomb without passing it.

Oh my bad, no, the virus must be passed and if you don't pass it, we will on your behalf

 

[EmptySoul]

gotta love this game, especially how much the NVD can fuck up both parties

I love how you wont even bother with defending yourself at this point xD

 

[Demonspeed]

What,why should we be testing xi0 at this point? Hes clear townie imo tbh and him wasting a spy on either of us townies just to confirm himself would just be a waste

Because he stands out as the only Spy?

 

[EmptySoul]

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Oh my bad, no, the virus must be passed and if you don't pass it, we will on your behalf

And mafias who are turned into bombs can still kill as evil said right?

 

[Evil3ye]

I'm sorry I don't get this at all...

Of course your mafia ass would refuse to cooperate, big surprise.

We have two bombs, two confirmed non-voters if I see it right.
We have a person claiming to be a diffuser, who might just say that to save his mafia ass though.

He has one chance to prove his role by diffusing a bomb. Next day we can varify only one person holds a bomb - thus he legit.

Meanwhile he can carry the second bomb, passed to him at the very end of the phase - > he would be able to perform his diffusing of the first bomb before.

But this plan counts on two people I suspect to be mafia to cooperate with confirming a townie, so don't know why I even bother

@Hardy @Demonspeed @Holt

 

[Hardy]

Of course your mafia ass would refuse to cooperate, big surprise.

We have two bombs, two confirmed non-voters if I see it right.
We have a person claiming to be a diffuser, who might just say that to save his mafia ass though.

He has one chance to prove his role by diffusing a bomb. Next day we can varify only one person holds a bomb - thus he legit.

Meanwhile he can carry the second bomb, passed to him at the very end of the phase - > he would be able to perform his diffusing of the first bomb before.

But this plan counts on two people I suspect to be mafia to cooperate with confirming a townie, so don't know why I even bother

I'm trying to cooperate I just don't understand the plan... You want him to diffuse Demon or me, and both of us send the bomb to him? But then he'll have 1 bomb anyway even if he doesn't diffuse, they "fuse" don't they? How would that make him look legit?

Maybe someone less acid can explain your amazing plan to me?