Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Axiomus]

Were did you get I said that? I never said it works on all hax. I said Irene's power is to imbue thing with her magic a.k.a. high enchant. Her enchantment probably protects bodily hax like Brandish since her magic is imbue inside of them. Wendy nor the DS have any form of High Enchant so they wouldn't be able to counter the hax.... Either way it was the enchantment that protected Neinhart and not his MP. If it was Brandish wouldn't have been shocked and wouldn't have effected August. She would have outright said his MP is too high for me to effect.

Fairy Law ignores durability... and is different from Brandish hax. Not to mention she didn't directly put her hax into one of them but did an enchant on a wider scale.

You kind of lost me here. Enchanting is putting the attributes of something into something else. In Neinhart's case, she enchanted Neinhart with some of her magic power. How is this any different from Wendy enchanting her dragon slaying magic into other people. I get that Wendy's enchantment is not high enchant, but the different levels of enchantments are just a matter of power. They still work the same way. When Irene used her dragon form she gets even more powerful and can use master enchant. I'm still lost on why Irene's enchantment would make Neinhart immune to Brandish's size manipulation magic. If Irene can make Neinhart immune to Brandish's magic merely by enchanting him, and the amount of magic power has nothing to do with it, then why can't Wendy make people immune to Brandish's magic by enchanting them? Also, why specifically does it only work against Brandish's magic? Shouldn't it make them immune to all sorts of magics?

The interesting thing with Fairy Heart is that all the Spriggans were immune to it, despite not having any apparent counter to it. I would argue that this is because their power levels is far greater than what Makarov can affect. The troops that Irene enchanted were not that strong, and so Fairy Heart worked on them.

 

[Jko]

You kind of lost me here. Enchanting is putting the attributes of something into something else. In Neinhart's case, she enchanted Neinhart with some of her magic power. How is this any different from Wendy enchanting her dragon slaying magic into other people. I get that Wendy's enchantment is not high enchant, but the different levels of enchantments are just a matter of power. They still work the same way. When Irene used her dragon form she gets even more powerful and can use master enchant. I'm still lost on why Irene's enchantment would make Neinhart immune to Brandish's size manipulation magic. If Irene can make Neinhart immune to Brandish's magic merely by enchanting him, and the amount of magic power has nothing to do with it, then why can't Wendy make people immune to Brandish's magic by enchanting them? Also, why specifically does it only work against Brandish's magic? Shouldn't it make them immune to all sorts of magics?

The interesting thing with Fairy Heart is that all the Spriggans were immune to it, despite not having any apparent counter to it. I would argue that this is because their power levels is far greater than what Makarov can affect. The troops that Irene enchanted were not that strong, and so Fairy Heart worked on them.

Wendy only buffs people. She can't imbue her magic into someone tho. Acnologia only stated a high enchanter can imbue her magic into things.

Brandish's magic effects the body by using her magic to shrink or expand their mass. An enchantment can easily be explain to protect from such magic bcs her Irene's enchantment magic is already imbued in them.

I never said only against her hax but hax like hers. It's not like Neinhart had a lot of time to go bypassing others hax before got rekt lol.

Actually Fairy Law didn't work bcs Makarov "died" before he could cast it on everyone. 5 of the troops pinned red pants Erza so they're pretty strong. It was also explained Law is not dependent on MP but life force. The S12 couldve just survived due to him not effecting the other twenty percent of the troops.

 

[GL_Nova]

Do you know what KOed means? Natsu git hit to protect Lucy and he did KOed and that was fron an attavk by August. Jellal beat Neinhart when he didn't even try to fight back so they were both in the same situation. Why? Neinhart was instantly trashed while enhanced by Base Natsu. Brandish insta KOed him and Neinhart while couldn't down either of them. Except her magic worked on August in battle mode. If power was deciding factor than she would've explicitly said his MP was to high and she wouldn't have been surprised as she already felt his MP. It's really getting annoying repeating myself.

Gray already said that her MP surpasses the Master and he has never felt anything like it. Laxus was never stated to ever have seriously high MP and they always mention the MP of the S12. So please show me where you got the idea Laxus MP was high as a S12?

Magic power =/= attack power and that was clearly showed in the arc. Laxus has never produced a spell that has had the AoE radius of Sand World and held it for a considerable time which shows that his MP was high.

Spoiler: E.N.D. Power

Why would I ever bring up that plot forced fight with massive amounts of PIS? The Christina did more than Jellal in that fight lol. Yes, his durability is not great and I never said he was a slouch in offensive or speed related abilities.

Mest needs prep to use his mental power and second Mest with prep would easily mind f Laxus and Jellal too. They have shown no mental resistance lmao.

If you want to talk about me then tag me instead of doing this sneak diss.

1) Did Natsu get knocked underwater with huge weight on him? That’s what we keep mentioning, your attempts to downplay the other factors in that situation. An you compare it to Natsu who didn’t get shot in the back, and was only able to do something because August attacked with Fire magic, presumable bc he was copying Natsu at the time. An where did Brandish do anything to him? She stated he’s been enhanced that much in response to her not being able to affect him. You are theorizing that the enchantment Irene places specifically protected him from Brandish as opposed to it being her inability to affect someone that strong? She’s referring to his power when she says Natsu won’t be able to do anything, so why wouldn’t she be referring to it in this instance?

2) So we are going to ignore that the core theme of Laxus character has been his inherited magic power and being acknowledged for it? Natsu, Gray, Makarov, Lucy and Erza commented on his strength when he saved them from Ajeel, remember when August acknowledges that Laxus would have killed him and that’s why he intervened? Are you now arguing that only AOE reflects MP? Cause the Manga has seem to stick pretty spot on with needing comparable magic power to defeat someone. An Laxus is the only mage to defeat a Spriggan in single combat, who was immune to his magic. Period, that’s not an opinion piece, it’s a fact. So better question, what makes you think Laxus isn’t comparable to the Spriggan. Cause I seem to have missed this clear distinction. An I’m not alone.

3) Why wouldn’t you bring it up? Your complaints about PIS make no sense, being as that’s how manga works. An other than he surprise PIS attack you would rather focus on it supports the idea that he only had issues with the Top tier and above, and largely due to hax.

 

[Axiomus]

Wendy only buffs people. She can't imbue her magic into someone tho. Acnologia only stated a high enchanter can imbue her magic into things.

Brandish's magic effects the body by using her magic to shrink or expand their mass. An enchantment can easily be explain to protect from such magic bcs her Irene's enchantment magic is already imbued in them.

I never said only against her hax but hax like hers. It's not like Neinhart had a lot of time to go bypassing others hax before got rekt lol.

Actually Fairy Law didn't work bcs Makarov "died" before he could cast it on everyone. 5 of the troops pinned red pants Erza so they're pretty strong. It was also explained Law is not dependent on MP but life force. The S12 couldve just survived due to him not effecting the other twenty percent of the troops.

Didn't Wendy imbue her magic into Erza's sword? Not only that, didn't Wendy enchant everyone's magic into Natsu? Didn't she also give Erza, Gray, and Lucy her dragon slaying magic? I don't recall Acnologia stating that only high enchanting can imbue stuff with magic. Stuff like Igneel's power in Natsu's arm or Fairy Glitter being in the tattoo of Cana's arm can also be seen as magic that is imbued into someone else. I still don't see why the mere act of enchanting someone, regardless of the power behind the enchantment, would make Neinhart immune to Brandish's magic.

The troops were still not more powerful than the Spriggan 12 members. Didn't Fairy Law take out the entire Alvarez army? Where was it referenced that 20% survived?

 

[Jko]

Didn't Wendy imbue her magic into Erza's sword? Not only that, didn't Wendy enchant everyone's magic into Natsu? Didn't she also give Erza, Gray, and Lucy her dragon slaying magic? I don't recall Acnologia stating that only high enchanting can imbue stuff with magic. Stuff like Igneel's power in Natsu's arm or Fairy Glitter being in the tattoo of Cana's arm can also be seen as magic that is imbued into someone else. I still don't see why the mere act of enchanting someone, regardless of the power behind the enchantment, would make Neinhart immune to Brandish's magic.

The troops were still not more powerful than the Spriggan 12 members. Didn't Fairy Law take out the entire Alvarez army? Where was it referenced that 20% survived?

Urene's enchantment was specifically made to make him stronger than he was before. Regular enchantment can only afflict onto something or someone while hich can imbue directly into something. That's why Wendy can only buff and debuff. An exchange of magic is different than an enchantment and I dunno if Brandish can effect Natsu when he's using Ig's power. The only explanation I can think of is that her enchantment specifically protected him. We've already seen her magic work on people ridiculously stronger than Neinhart.

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1) Did Natsu get knocked underwater with huge weight on him? That’s what we keep mentioning, your attempts to downplay the other factors in that situation. An you compare it to Natsu who didn’t get shot in the back, and was only able to do something because August attacked with Fire magic, presumable bc he was copying Natsu at the time. An where did Brandish do anything to him? She stated he’s been enhanced that much in response to her not being able to affect him. You are theorizing that the enchantment Irene places specifically protected him from Brandish as opposed to it being her inability to affect someone that strong? She’s referring to his power when she says Natsu won’t be able to do anything, so why wouldn’t she be referring to it in this instance?

2) So we are going to ignore that the core theme of Laxus character has been his inherited magic power and being acknowledged for it? Natsu, Gray, Makarov, Lucy and Erza commented on his strength when he saved them from Ajeel, remember when August acknowledges that Laxus would have killed him and that’s why he intervened? Are you now arguing that only AOE reflects MP? Cause the Manga has seem to stick pretty spot on with needing comparable magic power to defeat someone. An Laxus is the only mage to defeat a Spriggan in single combat, who was immune to his magic. Period, that’s not an opinion piece, it’s a fact. So better question, what makes you think Laxus isn’t comparable to the Spriggan. Cause I seem to have missed this clear distinction. An I’m not alone.

3) Why wouldn’t you bring it up? Your complaints about PIS make no sense, being as that’s how manga works. An other than he surprise PIS attack you would rather focus on it supports the idea that he only had issues with the Top tier and above, and largely due to hax.

Natsu got hit by an attack with way more concussive force than water. Now you're saying the water KOed Jellal? That's worse y'know? Um Natsu and Lucy did get knocked back. How do you you think they were in mid air. Natsu only negated part of the heat from the spell he however did not negate the concussive force of the spell. Brandish literally heals August's wound.

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Because E.N.D.'s "power" is his ability which has nothing to do with magical power or curse power. That's why he is able to resist hax like mass manipulation and time manipulation. The author even stated such himself. If it had to with MP or CP then it would've been mentioned. Brandish had no understanding of E.N.D. that's why she said power.

Laxus' mp was never sated to be on the level of Makarov's. He was also never stated to have anywhere near S12 magic and was never commented to be near it. That's attack power. Not once did they say that was MP. Laxus beat a retarded robot. Laxus would've been slaughtered if Wall wasn't acting like a dumbass and missing point blank shots despite being a know sharpshooter who can make a 400km shot. He also has the ability to empower an Etherion shot without even exhausting his magic power. That's way above anything Laxus has shown. I never said Laxus attack power wasn't comparable to an S12 but Laxus MP doesn't compare.

Because that would mean Christina was out speeding Acnologia. Erza knocked an RoT enhanced Dragon Acno out of the sky. Mira and Erza were easily dodging RoT Acno. Acnologia was straight missing attacks and couldn't tag a bunch of fodder for the life of him. Once again Christina being able to push him back and take attacks from him. All of that was a 100 percent bs and I'm not going to take obvious as hell bs feats into consideration. The sequel confrims those feats were bs as seen with Dragon God fight and the Touka fight. FT can't even touch god tiers let alone actually push them back.

 

[EpicKralZ]

The strongest of all.

 

[WoWfan]

MP is not just tethered to just attack or hax powe, just the strength of a Wizard overall, in the GMG when they went for the MPF, it is stated that even wizards that are not even attack type still have MP which determines the level of strength one has.

With Wall, Laxus is capable of moving as lightning, it is not like Laxus chose to wait to let Wall hit him. And Wall would have likely killed himself if he had unleashed the Etherion inside the Runes seal with him inside as well.

 

[Eisenfaust]

Sadly we don't get powerlvl cards as we did in the previous arcs.

 

[Arjuna]

Mashima himself doesn't know how to create the power cards after making a mess of the power scaling

But any Spriggan card like that of 9DF would have cleared lot of confusions.

 

[WoWfan]

The Tartarus Cards are the most consistant of the other cards, the other ones are purposely jokes, other-wises it seems to be consistant

 

[CaptainTorch]

Yeah, him creating Spriggan cards would actually clear up A LOT of scaling issues. It really gets unclear where is the division between outlier/power of friendship and actual feats. The fact that we don't know if the spriggans are actually equal or if some spriggans are higher than other makes it quite complicated as well.

 

[WoWfan]

Yeah, him creating Spriggan cards would actually clear up A LOT of scaling issues. It really gets unclear where is the division between outlier/power of friendship and actual feats. The fact that we don't know if the spriggans are actually equal or if some spriggans are higher than other makes it quite complicated as well.

Power of feelings are not really all outliers, just a response to a Wizard gaining a significant boost to help them in battle from the collective feelings of those close to him, not every power up works though.

And it is stated that all of them are around the same level (destroy entire countries) as each other besides Larcade, August and Irene.

 

[GL_Nova]

Urene's enchantment was specifically made to make him stronger than he was before. Regular enchantment can only afflict onto something or someone while hich can imbue directly into something. That's why Wendy can only buff and debuff. An exchange of magic is different than an enchantment and I dunno if Brandish can effect Natsu when he's using Ig's power. The only explanation I can think of is that her enchantment specifically protected him. We've already seen her magic work on people ridiculously stronger than Neinhart.

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Natsu got hit by an attack with way more concussive force than water. Now you're saying the water KOed Jellal? That's worse y'know? Um Natsu and Lucy did get knocked back. How do you you think they were in mid air. Natsu only negated part of the heat from the spell he however did not negate the concussive force of the spell. Brandish literally heals August's wound.

Spoiler

Because E.N.D.'s "power" is his ability which has nothing to do with magical power or curse power. That's why he is able to resist hax like mass manipulation and time manipulation. The author even stated such himself. If it had to with MP or CP then it would've been mentioned. Brandish had no understanding of E.N.D. that's why she said power.

Laxus' mp was never sated to be on the level of Makarov's. He was also never stated to have anywhere near S12 magic and was never commented to be near it. That's attack power. Not once did they say that was MP. Laxus beat a retarded robot. Laxus would've been slaughtered if Wall wasn't acting like a dumbass and missing point blank shots despite being a know sharpshooter who can make a 400km shot. He also has the ability to empower an Etherion shot without even exhausting his magic power. That's way above anything Laxus has shown. I never said Laxus attack power wasn't comparable to an S12 but Laxus MP doesn't compare.

Because that would mean Christina was out speeding Acnologia. Erza knocked an RoT enhanced Dragon Acno out of the sky. Mira and Erza were easily dodging RoT Acno. Acnologia was straight missing attacks and couldn't tag a bunch of fodder for the life of him. Once again Christina being able to push him back and take attacks from him. All of that was a 100 percent bs and I'm not going to take obvious as hell bs feats into consideration. The sequel confrims those feats were bs as seen with Dragon God fight and the Touka fight. FT can't even touch god tiers let alone actually push them back.

Yet it’s not specifically stated her buff was designed to protect from her magic. That particular element of buff is no more than a headcannon leap you’ve made and are tenuously defending. Not even really strong enough to be a cornerstone of this debate honestly. If something concrete comes out and changes it, the only concrete connection is that they clearly eclipse her in power.

Lol, bruh you get knocked underwater and end up under an anchor. We’d be reading your obituary 9/10. It’s an easy and believable way to take him out of the fight long enough to let Erza shine, since otherwise he one-shots his opponent. An the fact he couldn’t immediately negate the attack doesn’t negate that he did. You are once more taking liberties with your explanation. He states he negated the majority of the attack. It makes more sense, if we just posting theories to debate, that being immediately caught up in Irene’s attack makes a better explanation of why he couldn’t negate it all. Not to mention, August has no reason to resist Brandish attempt to help him. Her ability is known to him, and the mind bending broken.

Stated where my guy, provide that for me.

Never stated to be on the level of Makarov . The same Makarov who was scared of the Spriggan, all of them? So you really just gonna ignore his attempted murder of Ajeel? Let me guess, we should give more credence to Ajeel’s boasts (same guy who lost to ELFMAN!!) above the opinion of August? We’re going to ignore that Laxus one shot Wahl, who sent a copy of himself to stand sir by side with that same Ajeel? You expect me to assume the issue was Wahl’s missing shots, not Laxus dodging? The entirety of the series there has been a direct correlation between MP and AP. Laxus character has been defined by his MP. An FT is still going, over a year after the war and the power structure hasn’t changed. Laxus MP dwarfs the majority of the Spriggan. Healthy, he’s one shotting their mid tier. That’s a fact. Let’s move on to something actual to debate.

Acnologia was a rampaging monster. An the Christina has been a staple of the series. It being that fast isn’t a genuine issue, it’s like bitching about the yellow car because it’s all you can afford on the lot. They weren’t interested in fighting the WDG, and their hearts weren’t into it. If Erza has emptied her entire arsenal a second time with no results, you’d have a case beyond “I don’t like how he went about this so it doesn’t count”

 

[Livinbreathineatin]

Who do you think are the top 5 strongest females from Ishgar, dead or alive.

Irene is technically from Ishgar but I want to exclude her because she fought on the enemies side and didn’t reside in Ishgar.

Do you think Mirajane is the second strongest female after Erza and if you don’t, why is that?

I think Mirajane one shots all the females on Ishgar with Alegria’s incredible speed and destructive power. I don’t think it’s strong enough to one shot Erza because Erza’s endurance and defensive capabilities are out of this world.

Do you think Lucy qualifies for the top 5?

I think Lucy is strong enough to make it into the top 5. I think she’s very underrated, she’s one of the most versatile wizards, imo. She can do so much with all the different keys she has.

I asked these two questions because I’ve noticed that both Lucy and Mirajane are incredibly underrated fighters on the internet. It seems that many doubt them.

My rankings would be:

1. Erza.

2. Mirajane.

3. Kyouka & Seilah.

4. Minerva & Kagura.

5. Lucy & Wendy.

As you can see, many females are sharing spots with another female. This is due to the fact that I believe some of these females are genuinely equal and deserve to share spots with each other.

Even though Kyouka is dead and Seilah belongs to Mirajane now, I think featwise that both of the demons are still stronger than Minerva, Kagura, Lucy and Wendy and the rest of the females of Ishgar.

 

[Axiomus]

Grandeeney should be the strongest, if we're counting dragons. Touka should be the strongest if we're not.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

1. Touka
2. Erza
3. Mirajane
4. Wendy
5. Kyouka & Lucy.

 

[Axiomus]

Wendy is probably outside of Mira's oneshot range. Wendy can create a barrier that defended against Dimaria's all out attack, and she enchanted Erza with enough protection that she took no damage when Irene made Erza's armour explode. Assuming she can cast those same defensive enchantments on herself, she would take a couple of hits from Mira at least.

 

[Livinbreathineatin]

Wendy is probably outside of Mira's oneshot range. Wendy can create a barrier that defended against Dimaria's all out attack, and she enchanted Erza with enough protection that she took no damage when Irene made Erza's armour explode. Assuming she can cast those same defensive enchantments on herself, she would take a couple of hits from Mira at least.

I think Mirajane one shots Wendy before she has the chance to defend herself. Mirajane was so fast that both Juliet and Heine had no reaction to her moving in her Alegria form. The manga shows Alegria grabbing them immediately after it started charging at them, meaning that Mirajane ran and grabbed them in no time at all. In addition to that, Wendy may also be scared of the amount of magical power Alegria would be releasing. Alegria released so much MP in the battle against J&H that the atmosphere around it changed (evaporated sea water). That would scare most wizards and leave them speechless. It’s easier to knock someone out if they’re scared.

Even if Alegria can’t one shot Wendy, I believe Mirajane’s weaker and less taxing forms could still defeat her. She could Macro Wendy or even just use Sitri. Sitri took Jenny out with one punch and destroyed Cosmo’s plant that ate Wendy back in GMG. Sitri’s feats are a little outdated but feats are feats.

 

[Axiomus]

I think Mirajane one shots Wendy before she has the chance to defend herself. Mirajane was so fast that both Juliet and Heine had no reaction to her moving in her Alegria form. The manga shows Alegria grabbing them immediately after it started charging at them, meaning that Mirajane ran and grabbed them in no time at all. In addition to that, Wendy may also be scared of the amount of magical power Alegria would be releasing. Alegria released so much MP in the battle against J&H that the atmosphere around it changed (evaporated sea water). That would scare most wizards and leave them speechless. It’s easier to knock someone out if they’re scared.

Even if Alegria can’t one shot Wendy, I believe Mirajane’s weaker and less taxing forms could still defeat her. She could Macro Wendy or even just use Sitri. Sitri took Jenny out with one punch and destroyed Cosmo’s plant that ate Wendy back in GMG. Sitri’s feats are a little outdated but feats are feats.

Juliet and Hein aren't that fast though. Wendy has reacted to Dimaria and Irene, both of which are fast in their own right. Irene in particular could react to Acnologia. I don't think Mirajane, or really anybody, would be able to intimidate Wendy into submission with magic power alone. Wendy wasn't scared into submission going up against Irene, Acnologia, or Mercphobia. Wendy is significantly more powerful than she was during the GMG arc. Tartarus arc gave her dragon force, and there has been an 1 year timeskip since. All of the Wolf Knights were fodders even by pre-timeskip standards. Wendy was able to beat Cosmo without any power-ups. Ezel was a much tougher opponent than Cosmo, and dragon force made Wendy strong enough to beat him. In any case, Alegria is stronger than Sitri and I can't see current Wendy getting oneshotted by Alegria.

I have no doubt that Mirajane could beat Wendy prior to the timeskip, probably even post-timeskip. But Wendy's enchantments can defend against attacks from people much stronger than Mirajane, so I can't see her getting one-shotted by Alegria. Mirajane might be able to gimmick Wendy with Macro, but that's a different conversation.

 

[Livinbreathineatin]

Juliet and Hein aren't that fast though. Wendy has reacted to Dimaria and Irene, both of which are fast in their own right. Irene in particular could react to Acnologia. I don't think Mirajane, or really anybody, would be able to intimidate Wendy into submission with magic power alone. Wendy wasn't scared into submission going up against Irene, Acnologia, or Mercphobia. Wendy is significantly more powerful than she was during the GMG arc. Tartarus arc gave her dragon force, and there has been an 1 year timeskip since. All of the Wolf Knights were fodders even by pre-timeskip standards. Wendy was able to beat Cosmo without any power-ups. Ezel was a much tougher opponent than Cosmo, and dragon force made Wendy strong enough to beat him. In any case, Alegria is stronger than Sitri and I can't see current Wendy getting oneshotted by Alegria.

I have no doubt that Mirajane could beat Wendy prior to the timeskip, probably even post-timeskip. But Wendy's enchantments can defend against attacks from people much stronger than Mirajane, so I can't see her getting one-shotted by Alegria. Mirajane might be able to gimmick Wendy with Macro, but that's a different conversation.

Nice points. Can’t argue with you there.

Who do you think is the strongest wizard Alegria can one shot? I wanna hear your opinions.