Chapter Tower of God Chapter 433 Discussion / 434 Predictions

[Orbs2op]

Let me explain it easier if bam can beat a ranker no hax required the orb is counted cause it's apart of his basic training as well, low-mid any ranker then he is officially a ranker, then he can throw his powers on top of that strength and fight couple highrankers then, again this is just my opinion.

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So, um, that's how he fights now.

That's like saying Maschenny without lightning/spear attacks, Charlie without his sensory-deprivation, Mule Love without his trademark inventory/iron man contract/wonsul moves, etc etc.

Rankers are often able to rank due to their trademark powers and abilities. Not in spite of them.

Basically, you're admitting he's ranker level with his loops. Which he uses effortlessly as that's how he fights. Soooooo, he's ranker level.

Again no matter how you spin it bam ain't beating the guys without the loops which proves he isn't there yet, if bam was strong enough he would have beat akryung quickly but he didn't bam himself said akryung was c class, so I'm 100% sure no loop bam would have to reveal a lot of other abilities and use about good deal of power against a special c class regular, which is consistent with rank like Kaiser,etc, he would win but it wouldn't be a breeze.

Edit the loop isn't his standard way of fighting either, it's an upgrade for shunsu control nothing more, he is still relying on his skills and with his skill as it now, even with concentrated shinsu control he hasn't defeated or injured a ranker yet, which is consistent with he overall skill level, he his training isn't over until he stands a chance against kallavan, which won't be over come by spamming powers again, no one does that in tog unless they have to.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Let me explain it easier if bam can beat a ranker no hax required the orb is counted cause it's apart of his basic training as well, low-mid any ranker then he is officially a ranker, then he can throw his powers on top of that strength and fight couple highrankers then, again this is just my opinion.

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Again no matter how you spin it bam ain't beating the guys without the loops which proves he isn't there yet, if bam was strong enough he would have beat akryung quickly but he didn't bam himself said akryung was c class, so I'm 100% sure no loop bam would have to reveal a lot of other abilities and use about good deal of power against a c class regular.

What are you talking about? Spinning it?

Why doesn't ANY ranker fight entirely without a weapon, shinsoo attack, orb, inherited family special attacks, defensive item, etc etc etc

It's not a spin to say that a wave-controller using whatever shinsoo attack they can comfortably use with ease is attacking as that individual essentially base-level.

Even hand-to-hand combat is no different. Baam can do Jinsung's moves. Most regulars, if not all, regulars cannot.

Just imagine ANY ranker fight we've seen and consider if they are using something beyond base abilities. There's always some weapon or special shinsoo-attack.

But apparently it's a problem when Baam uses a shinsoo attack?






Does Baam have to fight, and one-shot apparently, a ranker with both arms tied behind his back in order to be considered a ranker too?

How about an apples to apples comparison?

 

[King Dryst]

Again no matter how you spin it bam ain't beating the guys without the loops which proves he isn't there yet, if bam was strong enough he would have beat akryung quickly but he didn't bam himself said akryung was c class, so I'm 100% sure no loop bam would have to reveal a lot of other abilities and use about good deal of power against a special c class regular, which is consistent with rank like Kaiser,etc, he would win but it wouldn't be a breeze.

Why should he need to abstain from using a shinsoo method that he himself developed and trained? This isn't one of those outside things that has been stuffed into him, like the Thorn or Thryssa(s) or Black March.

I guess he has to be able to trash a Ranker with both arms and a leg bound in order to qualify as being on that level?

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

And he DID quickly best Akryung... who was likewise using a very high-level move, shinwonryu, that Baam effortlessly overpowered.

 

[King Dryst]

And he DID quickly best Akryung... who was likewise using a very high-level move, shinwonryu, that Baam effortlessly overpowered.

Whereas Baam's basic shinwonryu annihilated Karaka's World of Darkness.

 

[Orbs2op]

Bam is very powerful without the haxs that my point, he has wave controlling, orb, shinwongryu, battle instincs and close combat, plus passive boost from red and blue, and his original moves, that more than enough to beat rankers without the loops, that not him being nerfed at all the orb is broken as hell and his blessing is broken too, bam is not weak at all without the loops but he still has a long way to go.

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And he DID quickly best Akryung... who was likewise using a very high-level move, shinwonryu, that Baam effortlessly overpowered.

What high-level moves? What named skills he used other than shinwonryu.

Whereas Baam's basic shinwonryu annihilated Karaka's World of Darkness.

That a stretch.

 

[toil]

This discussion has me wondering about the Floor of Death, now.

You pay with your soul if you go in the front door, this is implied to be bad. We never find out exactly why it's bad, and it wouldn't make sense if it's fatal, either: "to go inside I have to kill you before you go inside" is an incoherent proposition.

Rachel also had the mistaken belief "one soul == one door unlock". Where'd she get that specific idea?

I don't have an actual theory, but you've got me wondering if similar mechanics are going to be in play for Baam's exit, acquisition of irregular status, and maybe Arlene's fate. Lots of options, actually.

Perhaps Baam's original soul was left behind in the tower. Maybe just because he died. Maybe Arlene kept it attached to his non-decaying body until she found the exit, and paid his exit fee with it—no big deal by then because he's already dead, right? Maybe he lost it at death, and Arlene bought his exit with her soul.

What's funny, here, is if we have this mechanic in play then Akryung could be powered by Baam's original soul or Arlene's soul. First option is actually really funny: imagine Headon's been keeping Baam's soul on ice for however long, then Baam shows up and he already has one, right—"Now what am I going to do with this?" Or that same concept but with Arlene's soul.

I do think the "child of two great warriors" thing will come up again: Garam filling Baam in on Enne's backstory explains how Garam knows what she knows, but seems doubly-significant due to Enne being another "kid of two great warriors". Feels like an undropped shoe. It's an interesting concept for those kids to be "all but irregular", for sure.

 

[King Dryst]

That a stretch.

Except it's not. He quite literally did this at the start of the Floor of Death when Karaka tried to capture him.

 

[kkck]

So, um, that's how he fights now.

That's like saying Maschenny without lightning/spear attacks, Charlie without his sensory-deprivation, Mule Love without his trademark inventory/iron man contract/wonsul moves, etc etc.

Rankers are often able to rank due to their trademark powers and abilities. Not in spite of them.

Basically, you're admitting he's ranker level with his loops. Which he uses effortlessly as that's how he fights. Soooooo, he's ranker level.

Most fighters in the series don't actually have powerups though. and there is nothing wrong with making the point that bam needs those powerups to face rankers, that is just a fact. And a huge part of what is going on with bam is centered around his skill, or lack of it.

Also, charlie's sensory deprivation is not a good example for the point you are making. He made the point that the skill does not even work on rankers. Basically in a ranker fight the skill is not a factor. It's simply wrong to compare it to literally all other things you mentioned.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Bam is very powerful without the haxs that my point, he has wave controlling, orb, shinwongryu, battle instincs and close combat, plus passive boost from red and blue, and his original moves, that more than enough to beat rankers without the loops, that not him being nerfed at all the orb is broken as hell and his blessing is broken too, bam is not weak at all without the loops but he still has a long way to go.

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What high-level moves? What named skills he used other than shinwonryu.

That a stretch.

I said high-level MOVE as in singular (as in they only both only really used one move), and I named it, shinwonryu.

Why is that not enough?

Baam is responding tit-for-tat, and since Akryung didn't start attacking him with his hands, or low-level (throwing rocks?), Baam responded appropriately.

Which is what a ranker would do I imagine.

Yuri didn't pull out Kronos the first time she saw Karaka, she escalated to that level.

 

[Orbs2op]

Except it's not. He quite literally did this at the start of the Floor of Death when Karaka tried to capture him.

Annihilated is a strong word of yeah that your opinion.

 

[King Dryst]

Most fighters in the series don't actually have powerups though. and there is nothing wrong with making the point that bam needs those powerups to face rankers, that is just a fact. And a huge part of what is going on with bam is centered around his skill, or lack of it.

Also, charlie's sensory deprivation is not a good example for the point you are making. He made the point that the skill does not even work on rankers. Basically in a ranker fight the skill is not a factor. It's simply wrong to compare it to literally all other things you mentioned.

Are we reading the same content? We've just seen Baam outmaneuver two separate Rankers without using any of those powerups.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Most fighters in the series don't actually have powerups though. and there is nothing wrong with making the point that bam needs those powerups to face rankers, that is just a fact. And a huge part of what is going on with bam is centered around his skill, or lack of it.

Also, charlie's sensory deprivation is not a good example for the point you are making. He made the point that the skill does not even work on rankers. Basically in a ranker fight the skill is not a factor. It's simply wrong to compare it to literally all other things you mentioned.

What's a good example of a fight where a ranker didn't use a 'move' or a weapon?

 

[King Dryst]

Annihilated is a strong word of yeah that your opinion.

No, it's not my opinion. Baam's shinwonryu bang completely destroyed Karaka's WoD. Dissipated it into nothing. Evan was quite dumbfounded by the feat.

 

[Orbs2op]

I said high-level MOVE as in singular (as in they only both only really used one move), and I named it, shinwonryu.

Why is that not enough?

Baam is responding tit-for-tat, and since Akryung didn't start attacking him with his hands, or low-level (throwing rocks?), Baam responded appropriately.

Which is what a ranker would do I imagine.

Yuri didn't pull out Kronos the first time she saw Karaka, she escalated to that level.

Nah that a cop out cause bam has shinwonryu and his orb, he used the loops cause he was short on time and he knew akryung is stalling, no loops he ain't quickly beating akryung, loops are apart of his base abilities but it's the function of it that shows bam isn't there yet.

 

[kkck]

Are we reading the same content? We've just seen Baam outmaneuver two separate Rankers without using any of those powerups.

Bam used the shinsoo reservoir which even SIU referred to as a powerup. And its not even merely a technique or a skill, its a literal power source....

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What's a good example of a fight where a ranker didn't use a 'move' or a weapon?

I am not talking about just any move or weapon. In bam's case you have shinwonryu, revolution, now the reservoir.... Which are basically SS transformations stacking on top of each other.

 

[Orbs2op]

No, it's not my opinion. Baam's shinwonryu bang completely destroyed Karaka's WoD. Dissipated it into nothing. Evan was quite dumbfounded by the feat.

Ok so let's karaka and bam was fighting 1v1, can is one single bang stop a real head on attack of course not, look at the context first.

 

[King Dryst]

Ok so let's karaka and bam was fighting 1v1, can is one single bang stop a real head on attack of course not, look at the context first.

Apparently so, since that's what happened in that chapter.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Bam used the shinsoo reservoir which even SIU referred to as a powerup. And its not even merely a technique or a skill, its a literal power source....

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I am not talking about just any move or weapon. In bam's case you have shinwonryu, revolution, now the reservoir.... Which are basically SS transformations stacking on top of each other.

But you said most fighters don't have powerups.

Which fight do you consider 'base-level' by a ranker then?

A wave-controller would be a great comparison.

 

[King Dryst]

Bam used the shinsoo reservoir which even SIU referred to as a powerup. And its not even merely a technique or a skill, its a literal power source....

That he developed from nothing other than his own skill and talent, unlike the Thorn or his other toys that he isn't using. It seems to me that you're deliberately holding Baam to a standard that you aren't willing to apply to others in an attempt to downplay him.

You seem to have no issue with either of those two canine Rankers using their transformations...