Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Maxy Barnard]

I mean, as I said, gags don't exactly stick in the mind long-term. It's not implausible that, since Jaguar was stuck in the back of Jump more often than not, many of the readers who went on to join the industry just kinda forgot about it beyond the fact that it exists.



Have I mentioned that the artist of that series now does shota porn.

I mean in talking about Slump and its enduring legacy i’d have hoped you’d have understood that your argument was speculative at best with regards to gag manga not being memorable, but I guess we’ll have to disagree on this particular idea.

And does Nishi draw shota porn now? I’ve seen his second account full of one incredibly busty woman, but nothing that screams shota. Huh.

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

Miracles exist and I want to believe in them. If Muhyo & Roji got a second anime season, Rokudenashi Blues can get its totally deserved anime adaptation

 

[Nemesis]

I mean, as I said, gags don't exactly stick in the mind long-term. It's not implausible that, since Jaguar was stuck in the back of Jump more often than not, many of the readers who went on to join the industry just kinda forgot about it beyond the fact that it exists.



Have I mentioned that the artist of that series now does shota porn.

Dr. Slump was one of the most popular anime in history in Japan man. And the man sold great as well

 

[Rain Spectre]

I mean, there has to be some explanation for gag manga's decay, and if "YouTube" isn't it, what is?

 

[tirakai]

Gags get old, and what people think is funny changes. Other magazines are updating their gag manga, doing new stuff, but while WSJ had a few good modern ones they keep putting out series with an early 00s sense of humour at latest. Goofy faces, randomness, and pee jokes don't get the laughs they used to.

I remember checking out a few chapters of Kimengumi since I know it's a pretty major classic but it was just awful to read.

 

[Maxy Barnard]

I mean, there has to be some explanation for gag manga's decay, and if "YouTube" isn't it, what is?

I mean there has to be an explanation for it in Weekly Shonen Jump. Gag manga is doing fine elsewhere. Youtube isn’t somehow defeating this one magazine and nothing else.

I’d just put it down to a lack of talented gag manga aiming for serialisation in WSJ. Which then becomes a self-fulfilling problem; the less getting serialised the more authors are gonna look at Weekly Shonen Jump and say “this isn’t the magazine to go for”. Like the issue with Invade You was a very limited well of gags for the idea at its core, and I’m From Japan read too much like the sort of jokes an old man would make, because regional references can only be so current.

Of course there are several other factors that probably contribute to it, but “the series weren’t very funny” feels significant

 

[Rain Spectre]

Gags get old, and what people think is funny changes. Other magazines are updating their gag manga, doing new stuff, but while WSJ had a few good modern ones they keep putting out series with an early 00s sense of humour at latest. Goofy faces, randomness, and pee jokes don't get the laughs they used to.

I remember checking out a few chapters of Kimengumi since I know it's a pretty major classic but it was just awful to read.

Good point. In general, a lot of gag manga (and I mean gag manga by Maxy's definition, not stuff like Gintama) reads very childish, with little in the way of depth or nuance. It's not really which contributes to strong attention or discussion, and, the stronger story driven manga get, the weaker they look in comparison.

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I mean there has to be an explanation for it in Weekly Shonen Jump. Gag manga is doing fine elsewhere. Youtube isn’t somehow defeating this one magazine and nothing else.

I’d just put it down to a lack of talented gag manga aiming for serialisation in WSJ. Which then becomes a self-fulfilling problem; the less getting serialised the more authors are gonna look at Weekly Shonen Jump and say “this isn’t the magazine to go for”. Like the issue with Invade You was a very limited well of gags for the idea at its core, and I’m From Japan read too much like the sort of jokes an old man would make, because regional references can only be so current.

Of course there are several other factors that probably contribute to it, but “the series weren’t very funny” feels significant

How does that explain David-kun though, which was very well-received, even getting a doujin or two, yet still failed to sell? Are people so jaded at this point that they just tune out instantly should a gag series come up?

 

[tirakai]

There's a few different manga that seemed to have good reception online but the people who actually vote in the surveys and buy the volumes didn't care about it. Opinions on Japanese message boards and such tend to be a little different to the average readers.

Like Kiruko-san, it got a ton of art and talk online and was an instant flop.

 

[Maxy Barnard]

Good point. In general, a lot of gag manga (and I mean gag manga by Maxy's definition, not stuff like Gintama) reads very childish, with little in the way of depth or nuance. It's not really which contributes to strong attention or discussion, and, the stronger story driven manga get, the weaker they look in comparison.

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How does that explain David-kun though, which was very well-received, even getting a doujin or two, yet still failed to sell? Are people so jaded at this point that they just tune out instantly should a gag series come up?

How was it very well-received? What’s the metric here? Because like Akaboshi Ibun Suikodeb got a doujin or two. P2 -let’s play ping pong- got doujins. ST&RS got doujin. Shinmai Fukei Killco-san got LOADS of doujin. It doesn’t mean much, just that that specific fan was super dedicated.

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There's a few different manga that seemed to have good reception online but the people who actually vote in the surveys and buy the volumes didn't care about it.

Like Kiruko-san, it got a ton of art and talk online and was an instant flop.

Killco-san will always be the one that comes up here haha

 

[CuriousReborn]

I mean, there has to be some explanation for gag manga's decay, and if "YouTube" isn't it, what is?

Honestly its getting harder and harder to take you seriously when you come up with stuff like this, want to know why gags are not working? Because they are not funny it is that simple.

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

I'm reading about the parallelism that Hokuto no Ken and Saint Seiya had in 80s and man, is amazing. They look the polar opposites (Kenshiro lives in a very very violent and bloody world while Seiya is more like a chivalrious knight who fights for his goddess), but they drink from almost the same sources (equilibrium, cosmos and stars inspiration, very similar fighting techniques, etc).

 

[Xzone]

In the west? Dr Slump doesn’t get much traction, no. In Japan? Are you kidding? It was HUGE, and through its spin-offs and legacy has more than stuck in the public consciousness.

I remember reading that Dragon Ball wasn't as big as Dr Slump until picolo saga and, Orage Road and Hokuto no ken where the popular series in the magazine.

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

I remember reading that Dragon Ball wasn't as big as Dr Slump until picolo saga and, Orage Road and Hokuto no ken where the popular series in the magazine.

If I recall, even starting 1 year and half later, Saint Seiya became bigger than Dragon Ball. I recall reading Dragon Ball overtook Saint Seiya in 1988, so for two years Saint Seiya was the biggest series (in 1987 it even overtook Hokuto no Ken which was the king of the magazine)

 

[Rain Spectre]

If I recall, even starting 1 year and half later, Saint Seiya became bigger than Dragon Ball. I recall reading Dragon Ball overtook Saint Seiya in 1988, so for two years Saint Seiya was the biggest series (in 1987 it even overtook Hokuto no Ken which was the king of the magazine)

Damn, first half of the Golden Age was weird.

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

Was checking the video, and while ''Big 3'' of early 80s was Kinnikuman, Dr.Slump, and Ring ni Kakero first, Captain Tsubasa later...there was another manga which dominated Jump for two years (1982 and 1983).

Fuuma no Kojiro, by Kurumada (it was a short manga that ended soon not because it was axed, but because Kurumada decided to put an end to focus in his ''magnus opus'' aka Otoko Zaka (homage to Otoko Ippiki). But Otoko Zaka failed and was axed, and then Kurumada focused on Saint Seiya.

Another strong contender in that age was this Motomiya manga that I don't know the title now (I think is Tenchi wo Kurau)

 

[Rain Spectre]

I've seen someone referring to gag manga as "cringey" and that's a deterrent to them nowadays. Any thoughts there?

 

[Maxy Barnard]

I've seen someone referring to gag manga as "cringey" and that's a deterrent to them nowadays. Any thoughts there?

I mean that comes down to what that person is reading and their taste, so it’s hard to make much of it

 

[Xzone]

If I recall, even starting 1 year and half later, Saint Seiya became bigger than Dragon Ball. I recall reading Dragon Ball overtook Saint Seiya in 1988, so for two years Saint Seiya was the biggest series (in 1987 it even overtook Hokuto no Ken which was the king of the magazine)

Yeah 1987-1988 was the picolo saga, so it makes sense what you say.
But I remember that along with Hokuto and Seiya(I didn't remember when was the peak of SS, so I didn't it) Orange road also was more popular than DB , but with Picolo and the series ending, so DB became more popular.

 

[Nakura]

My Hero Academia S4 PV 2

 

[redon]