Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Jovan]

Will you be doing Spy x Family charts in the future? Thanks for the great work.

 

[savethecat]

Still don’t understand the “Dr.Stone is one of the most pushed Jump manga” claims.

 

[MangAniMY]

Will you be doing Spy x Family charts in the future? Thanks for the great work.

5 volumes, when it got there, I'll do it

 

[CrimsonEpitaph]

Still don’t understand the “Dr.Stone is one of the most pushed Jump manga” claims.

It does get a lot of color pages and high places in the ToC, and compared to it's sales numbers it seems wierd.

 

[Newkerzy]

He did, but Tista was a major flop, and I don't think Gekka Bijin did much better (at least survived enough for 5 vols). So it's as if he did nothing before really.

Horikoshi 2.0 like situation, doing 1 flop (Barrage) and 1 that wasn't a complete bomb but still a flop (Oumaga Zoo).

Oricon Rankings 22/7 - 28/7

68217 1923919 One Piece #93
40183 *104136 SPY×FAMILY #01
19368 *357346 Kimetsu no Yaiba #16
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14177 *405105 Kimetsu no Yaiba #06
13918 *387666 Kimetsu no Yaiba #07
13822 *411801 Kimetsu no Yaiba #05
13734 *383928 Kimetsu no Yaiba #08
13587 *444687 Kimetsu no Yaiba #01
13391 *376358 Kimetsu no Yaiba #09
13144 *427162 Kimetsu no Yaiba #02
13126 *375797 Kimetsu no Yaiba #10
13122 *361553 Kimetsu no Yaiba #15
12840 *379026 Kimetsu no Yaiba #11
12751 *372815 Kimetsu no Yaiba #12
12713 *416212 Kimetsu no Yaiba #04
12620 *420384 Kimetsu no Yaiba #03
12403 *369155 Kimetsu no Yaiba #13
12401 *356353 Kimetsu no Yaiba #14
10361 *206343 Black Clover #21
*9906 *162156 Jujutsu Kaisen #06

Between Endo becoming Horikoshi's spiritual successor and reaching 100k for its debut volume, if it ever gets out that SxF was initially shot down for a WSJ serialization, then Nak the Hax and Ooni the phony ought to kick each other in the balls for every 100k volumes printed.

 

[Neala897]

Between Endo becoming Horikoshi's spiritual successor and reaching 100k for its debut volume, if it ever gets out that SxF was initially shot down for a WSJ serialization, then Nak the Hax and Ooni the phony ought to kick each other in the balls for every 100k volumes printed.

Why though? It still Shueisha`s

 

[OtterBrigade]

It would be a different series anyway. Each chapter has a different amount of chapters. Just to use the latest 3:
8: 27
9: 23
10: 17.

All end at good points so trying to make 8 and 9 into 3 chapters would just be awkward. I think it fits a lot better on Jump+ than it would in WSJ.

 

[Newkerzy]

Why though? It still Shueisha`s

Yeah, but every magazine under Shueisha are constantly competing against each other. Even though they're under the same group, they still look for every available oppoturnity to gain the best talent available. WSJ have been the biggest draw for decades, but sometimes some newbies completely slip under their radar and and another magazine grabs them, be it from a rival group or within theirs.

It would be a different series anyway. Each chapter has a different amount of chapters. Just to use the latest 3:
8: 27
9: 23
10: 17.

All end at good points so trying to make 8 and 9 into 3 chapters would just be awkward. I think it fits a lot better on Jump+ than it would in WSJ.

You might have a point, but I do think it depends on how good the editor is to set the pacing. I think that Endo was quite fortunate here. Assuming Endo got an editor as good as the one he has right now, I do think they could figure something out about the pacing.

 

[therocomotion]

Kamio Yui has no idea what it wants to be and is just throwing everything it possibly can genre and tone wise at the wall.

I disagree. It took way longer that it should have, but Yui has been pretty clear in what it's actually about since the introduction of the "mushi" as a concept.

 

[Jovan]

That's not a fair comparison. Kagamigami was a really cool but safe battle series. The only problem was it opened with a promise of duo-leads one of them a strong female character only to waste her potential.

Kamio Yui has no idea what it wants to be and is just throwing everything it possibly can genre and tone wise at the wall.

Kagamigami? We are talking about a manga that was supposed to be a detective+demon hunting mix, and the detective part was dropped after less than 10 chapters and female MC became irrelevant.

It was a mess and it was deservedly axed.

Yui thing is on point though.

 

[MangAniMY]

Yeah, but every magazine under Shueisha are constantly competing against each other. Even though they're under the same group, they still look for every available oppoturnity to gain the best talent available. WSJ have been the biggest draw for decades, but sometimes some newbies completely slip under their radar and and another magazine grabs them, be it from a rival group or within theirs.



You might have a point, but I do think it depends on how good the editor is to set the pacing. I think that Endo was quite fortunate here. Assuming Endo got an editor as good as the one he has right now, I do think they could figure something out about the pacing.

Jump+ is under nak so he don't care

Weekly Shonen Jump Editor-in-Chief Hiroyuki Nakano

Get the inside scoop on exactly what it's like to be the editor of the most powerful manga magazine in the world - Weekly Shonen Jump, home of One Piece, Dragon Ball Super and more.

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Are you involved with MANGA Plus?

Well, Jump+ and MANGA Plus are both parts of Shonen Jump, and as the chief editor I get involved in the content of both the magazine and Jump+/MANGA Plus. I help decide what manga get serialized in both Jump+ and the magazine.

 

[OtterBrigade]

You might have a point, but I do think it depends on how good the editor is to set the pacing. I think that Endo was quite fortunate here. Assuming Endo got an editor as good as the one he has right now, I do think they could figure something out about the pacing.

It's hard to say how good the editor is. According to their Twitter bio (https://twitter.com/SHIHEILIN) they also do Chainsaw Man, Moon Land, Heart Gear, and Dricam (as well as some Jump SQ stuff I haven't read) so while obviously no editor is going to have a 100% track record this one still produces duds alongside Spy x Family (although I stopped reading both Moon Land and Heart Gear so idk if they have pacing issues or not)

 

[Newkerzy]

Jump+ is under nak so he don't care

Weekly Shonen Jump Editor-in-Chief Hiroyuki Nakano

Get the inside scoop on exactly what it's like to be the editor of the most powerful manga magazine in the world - Weekly Shonen Jump, home of One Piece, Dragon Ball Super and more.

www.animenewsnetwork.com

Must have missed that one given the mountain of posts here....

Nevermind, I read that interview a while ago, but completely forgot about it.

 

[MangAniMY]

It's hard to say how good the editor is. According to their Twitter bio (https://twitter.com/SHIHEILIN) they also do Chainsaw Man, Moon Land, Heart Gear, and Dricam (as well as some Jump SQ stuff I haven't read) so while obviously no editor is going to have a 100% track record this one still produces duds alongside Spy x Family (although I stopped reading both Moon Land and Heart Gear so idk if they have pacing issues or not)

BASED LEDITOR

I just want to point out the fact that all of his new series are on manga plus...


also he was previously with SQ (all of the SQ list are series the ones he started)

Endo and takaki follow him to jump,

 

[BaNChiGay]

I understand why all volume of TpN is on top 500, but how come Even MHA have all the volume in top 500? It have anime draught for almost a year.

 

[MangAniMY]

I understand why all volume of TpN is on top 500, but how come Even MHA have all the volume in top 500? It have anime draught for almost a year.

timeline wise... this

 

[BaNChiGay]

timeline wise... this

Seems legit though it's pretty wired that a mobile game can give a boost

 

[MangAniMY]

Seems legit though it's pretty wired that a mobile game can give a boost

biggest mobile game in japan though

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Japanese data provider Gzbrain released an overview of Japan's top 10 mobile games in terms of revenue for 2018 a few days ago.

www.serkantoto.com

 

[savethecat]

It does get a lot of color pages and high places in the ToC, and compared to it's sales numbers it seems wierd.

The thing is, I feel like we’ve established that

1. The TOC is reflective of what’s popular. However, chapters aren’t ordered from “most popular to least popular”. Stone getting placed higher than say MHA and Haikyuu isn’t Jump saying it’s a bigger series. Just that it’s a popular series.

2. A series can be popular in the magazine without being a huge seller in volumes, hence, why Zumou was able to last 20+ volumes and receive an anime. It was likely a popular series that was read by many Jump readers on a week to week basis, but it may not be a series designed to attract a lot of volume buyers.

Also, we don’t know the exact specifics as to why a series is given a lot of color pages.
Yes, series typically are given color pages to promote a new arc, a volume in stores, anime announcements/air dates, character polls, etc.

However, I’m willing to bet that an artist can just request to do a color page if they just want to have a color page for a specific chapter.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the two artist in the magazine who have insane work ethic both had series that received an insane amount of color pages.(Posuka still continues to regularly release illustrations despite working on Neverland, and Boichi who was drawing 2 weekly series at the same time)

And MHA, being one of the more popular series, rarely receiving color pages, while also producing less pages every week.

It’s quite possible that the editors request certain artist to draw a color page every week, and the artist has a choice to accept or deny.

 

[Tamil]

Spy x Family is easily one of the best newbie (not by a veteran, not being based on anything) debuts I have seen sales wise. Kudos.

He did, but Tista was a major flop, and I don't think Gekka Bijin did much better (at least survived enough for 5 vols). So it's as if he did nothing before really.

Horikoshi 2.0 like situation, doing 1 flop (Barrage) and 1 that wasn't a complete bomb but still a flop (Oumaga Zoo).

He's not a newbie by no means. He clearly is experienced...its hard to call someone a newbie when they had a 2 volume series in 07' and a 5 volume series in 2010.

In that same way Horikoshi was a not a newbie when he started MHA. They both had plenty of experience before their titles have becomes hits and both have experienced flops.