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Yeah, these are all really good points / predictions. I think WSJ's game plan in 2021 will involve two main angles:
  1. Establishing a new hit in 2020
  2. Giving a 2018 or 2019 manga a boost with an anime adaptation
The first angle is obviously pretty hard to predict the specifics of right now. But it's interesting to think about which current series might land an adaptation, since there haven't really been any debuts lately that are Neverland tier. Shueisha will likely still want to throw out some new anime alongside what's running currently, even if it's something that's kind of middle tier, in hopes of the adaptation boosting it to true success status.

With that in mind, these seem like the current best candidates for a 2021 (or maybe late 2020) anime adaptation:
  • Act-Age
  • Jujutsu Kaisen
  • Chainsaw Man
and maybe Samurai 8, if it succeeds over the next year. Act-Age and Chainsaw Man in particular are very weird, experimental projects so adaptations of them would be interesting, to say the least.
I don't think Act-Age will get an anime so fast, especially as it's a very tough thing to adapt properly with VAs that would need to nail the acting parts and animation studio for expressions.
 

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JJK is the biggest hit out of all them by a long shot. I think there's a good chance it gets an anime in 2020.
 

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Recent Interview of Shinohara Kenta regarding Astra Lost in Space serialization in Jump+


  • He made his decision to wrap up Sket Dance after the "Switch On" arc (vol. 27-28), and informed the Editor in Chief.
  • After Sket Dance, he wanted to try something different, so tried brainstorming a Battle manga, but scrapped it after one year.
  • Astra was inspired by sci-fi themes of Fujiko F Fujio's works (Manga Michi being a huge inspiration for him becoming a mangaka)
  • Astra was originally meant for WSJ serialization, but the project was rejected during serialization meeting with no room for renegotiation.
  • Proposed to his editor for a volume-only release, but was denied. As an alternative, he asked to serialize on Jump+ instead and was accepted.
  • Didn't really consider the audience difference between WSJ and Jump+. His attention is generally more on kids than adults.
  • His main focus was volume release at the time, so the series was paced by volume rather than adapting to a web platform.
  • Restructured the story around Jump+ serialization. (WSJ version was meant for a longer serialization)
    • Less planets, cut down slice-of-life and gag chapters, etc. (added as bonus 4koma in volumes)
    • Went from a cast of 15 to 9. One of which was an alien.
  • Originally thought 3 volumes would be enough, but settled on 5. It was a pretty smooth production since everything was planned out in advance.
  • Initial reception was pretty weak. First volume didn't meet his expectation at all. The sales weren't terrible per se, but it was no where close to WSJ standards. Felt bad, because he felt responsible for forcing on the Jump+ serialization.
  • It was only in Ch.33 (vol.4) when the series went viral on Twitter that he realized his series was being read by people.
  • Series gained more traction towards the end, but it wasn't until the final volume (vol.5) that it started becoming more popular. Usually series don't sell if the first volume bombs.
  • Believe it's because the early parts weren't very good, but also because the series was setup as a mystery, so people put it on hold until the series was done and the mystery was revealed.
  • Thinking of going back to his gag roots for his next work, but it is hard to come up with stuff that wasn't done in Sket Dance.
 

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Recent Interview of Shinohara Kenta regarding Astra Lost in Space serialization in Jump+


  • He made his decision to wrap up Sket Dance after the "Switch On" arc (vol. 27-28), and informed the Editor in Chief.
  • After Sket Dance, he wanted to try something different, so tried brainstorming a Battle manga, but scrapped it after one year.
  • Astra was inspired by sci-fi themes of Fujiko F Fujio's works (Manga Michi being a huge inspiration for him becoming a mangaka)
  • Astra was originally meant for WSJ serialization, but the project was rejected during serialization meeting with no room for renegotiation.
  • Proposed to his editor for a volume-only release, but was denied. As an alternative, he asked to serialize on Jump+ instead and was accepted.
  • Didn't really consider the audience difference between WSJ and Jump+. His attention is generally more on kids than adults.
  • His main focus was volume release at the time, so the series was paced by volume rather than adapting to a web platform.
  • Restructured the story around Jump+ serialization. (WSJ version was meant for a longer serialization)
    • Less planets, cut down slice-of-life and gag chapters, etc. (added as bonus 4koma in volumes)
    • Went from a cast of 15 to 9. One of which was an alien.
  • Originally thought 3 volumes would be enough, but settled on 5. It was a pretty smooth production since everything was planned out in advance.
  • Initial reception was pretty weak. First volume didn't meet his expectation at all. The sales weren't terrible per se, but it was no where close to WSJ standards. Felt bad, because he felt responsible for forcing on the Jump+ serialization.
  • It was only in Ch.33 (vol.4) when the series went viral on Twitter that he realized his series was being read by people.
  • Series gained more traction towards the end, but it wasn't until the final volume (vol.5) that it started becoming more popular. Usually series don't sell if the first volume bombs.
  • Believe it's because the early parts weren't very good, but also because the series was setup as a mystery, so people put it on hold until the series was done and the mystery was revealed.
  • Thinking of going back to his gag roots for his next work, but it is hard to come up with stuff that wasn't done in Sket Dance.
Hn, a lot of this is genuinely pretty interesting. I will ask, did he explain why it was rejected by WSJ editorial?
 

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Recent Interview of Shinohara Kenta regarding Astra Lost in Space serialization in Jump+


  • He made his decision to wrap up Sket Dance after the "Switch On" arc (vol. 27-28), and informed the Editor in Chief.
  • After Sket Dance, he wanted to try something different, so tried brainstorming a Battle manga, but scrapped it after one year.
  • Astra was inspired by sci-fi themes of Fujiko F Fujio's works (Manga Michi being a huge inspiration for him becoming a mangaka)
  • Astra was originally meant for WSJ serialization, but the project was rejected during serialization meeting with no room for renegotiation.
  • Proposed to his editor for a volume-only release, but was denied. As an alternative, he asked to serialize on Jump+ instead and was accepted.
  • Didn't really consider the audience difference between WSJ and Jump+. His attention is generally more on kids than adults.
  • His main focus was volume release at the time, so the series was paced by volume rather than adapting to a web platform.
  • Restructured the story around Jump+ serialization. (WSJ version was meant for a longer serialization)
    • Less planets, cut down slice-of-life and gag chapters, etc. (added as bonus 4koma in volumes)
    • Went from a cast of 15 to 9. One of which was an alien.
  • Originally thought 3 volumes would be enough, but settled on 5. It was a pretty smooth production since everything was planned out in advance.
  • Initial reception was pretty weak. First volume didn't meet his expectation at all. The sales weren't terrible per se, but it was no where close to WSJ standards. Felt bad, because he felt responsible for forcing on the Jump+ serialization.
  • It was only in Ch.33 (vol.4) when the series went viral on Twitter that he realized his series was being read by people.
  • Series gained more traction towards the end, but it wasn't until the final volume (vol.5) that it started becoming more popular. Usually series don't sell if the first volume bombs.
  • Believe it's because the early parts weren't very good, but also because the series was setup as a mystery, so people put it on hold until the series was done and the mystery was revealed.
  • Thinking of going back to his gag roots for his next work, but it is hard to come up with stuff that wasn't done in Sket Dance.
they rejected Astra for WSJ but started Takuan to Batsu no Nichijō Enma-chō the same month :confused:
 

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Hn, a lot of this is genuinely pretty interesting. I will ask, did he explain why it was rejected by WSJ editorial?
Says they didn't like his initial protagonist who was an introvert unlike usual Jump heroes who are positive and optimistic. He also only provided storyboards for first three chapters, so while it contained all the hooks and setups, it didn't have the eventual plot-wist or the reveals.
But he do specify that it was a "Project Reject", meaning he's been asked to scrap the project entirely as it shows no promise.

He did eventually come up with a completely different protagonist for the series, who is also the namesake for the title.
 

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Fuck, his original vision for the series is EXACTLY what I wanted of the story (more slice of life and more planet exploration), I'm super bummed out now.
 

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Says they didn't like his initial protagonist who was an introvert unlike usual Jump heroes who are positive and optimistic. He also only provided storyboards for first three chapters, so while it contained all the hooks and setups, it didn't have the eventual plot-wist or the reveals.
But he do specify that it was a "Project Reject", meaning he's been asked to scrap the project entirely as it shows no promise.

He did eventually come up with a completely different protagonist for the series, who is also the namesake for the title.
That makes sense. Interesting the stuff about the protagonist especially. I ask, was it just a symptom of Jump's lack of faith in the project, or did editorial just dislike the idea of the protagonist who wasn't an optimist?
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On another note, I think the fact that Shinohara still has yet to figure out what exactly he wants for his next manga is an indicator that he's not coming back any time soon.
 

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That's very interesting. Shinohara had a really sucessfull series in the past but the editors said no to Kanata and no room for negotiation? He basically begged to publish the manga on Jump+. They were hard with him with the excuses "the manga doesn't have a positive mc and doesn't fit on WSJ's style". But like OtterBrigade said, they did publish Takuan to Batsu (not saying it doesn't deserved a chance, but they should had more confidence in a experient mangaka like Shinohara)... Well, today Kanata no Astra has a great anime by Lerche and that's ok to me.
 

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That's very interesting. Shinohara had a really sucessfull series in the past but the editors said no to Kanata and no room for negotiation? He basically begged to publish the manga on Jump+. They were hard with him with the excuses "the manga doesn't have a positive mc and doesn't fit on WSJ's style". But like OtterBrigade said, they did publish Takuan to Batsu (not saying it doesn't deserved a chance, but they should had more confidence in a experient mangaka like Shinohara)... Well, today Kanata no Astra has a great anime by Lerche and that's ok to me.
Well, and you only have that because all of this happened, Astra wouldn't survive at all on Shonen Jump and even on Plus it got ignored by people until later, in the end everybody won.
 
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apparently M+ have a MAU(Monthly Active User) of 700k


some other known MAU(because i feel like it)

Jump+ 2.4M
manga one 2.7M
sunday webry 1M
mangapoke 2M
comic days 1M

the numbers are recentish
Whoa, that's really great. So happy to see mangaplus doing that good, even if the total numbers of so many countries still are behind one country haha
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That's very interesting. Shinohara had a really sucessfull series in the past but the editors said no to Kanata and no room for negotiation? He basically begged to publish the manga on Jump+. They were hard with him with the excuses "the manga doesn't have a positive mc and doesn't fit on WSJ's style". But like OtterBrigade said, they did publish Takuan to Batsu (not saying it doesn't deserved a chance, but they should had more confidence in a experient mangaka like Shinohara)... Well, today Kanata no Astra has a great anime by Lerche and that's ok to me.
Same. At the end of the day the final product was great.
--- Double Post Merged, ---

Recent Interview of Shinohara Kenta regarding Astra Lost in Space serialization in Jump+


  • He made his decision to wrap up Sket Dance after the "Switch On" arc (vol. 27-28), and informed the Editor in Chief.
  • After Sket Dance, he wanted to try something different, so tried brainstorming a Battle manga, but scrapped it after one year.
  • Astra was inspired by sci-fi themes of Fujiko F Fujio's works (Manga Michi being a huge inspiration for him becoming a mangaka)
  • Astra was originally meant for WSJ serialization, but the project was rejected during serialization meeting with no room for renegotiation.
  • Proposed to his editor for a volume-only release, but was denied. As an alternative, he asked to serialize on Jump+ instead and was accepted.
  • Didn't really consider the audience difference between WSJ and Jump+. His attention is generally more on kids than adults.
  • His main focus was volume release at the time, so the series was paced by volume rather than adapting to a web platform.
  • Restructured the story around Jump+ serialization. (WSJ version was meant for a longer serialization)
    • Less planets, cut down slice-of-life and gag chapters, etc. (added as bonus 4koma in volumes)
    • Went from a cast of 15 to 9. One of which was an alien.
  • Originally thought 3 volumes would be enough, but settled on 5. It was a pretty smooth production since everything was planned out in advance.
  • Initial reception was pretty weak. First volume didn't meet his expectation at all. The sales weren't terrible per se, but it was no where close to WSJ standards. Felt bad, because he felt responsible for forcing on the Jump+ serialization.
  • It was only in Ch.33 (vol.4) when the series went viral on Twitter that he realized his series was being read by people.
  • Series gained more traction towards the end, but it wasn't until the final volume (vol.5) that it started becoming more popular. Usually series don't sell if the first volume bombs.
  • Believe it's because the early parts weren't very good, but also because the series was setup as a mystery, so people put it on hold until the series was done and the mystery was revealed.
  • Thinking of going back to his gag roots for his next work, but it is hard to come up with stuff that wasn't done in Sket Dance.
Thanks for posting, really interesting how everything came up. Some mangaka probably should do like him and try a serialization on Jump+, they can have more chance than in WSJ like it happened in other cases.

And I can't wait to see Shinohara back with a new manga, which probably is sooner than we expect. Maybe in 2020 or 2021, I guess?
 

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Looking at the evidence, it seems to me like Beast Children is going to go down as the biggest flop of the year.

Shame, it had some potential, but it just didn't pan out.
 

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Well, and you only have that because all of this happened, Astra wouldn't survive at all on Shonen Jump and even on Plus it got ignored by people until later, in the end everybody won.
Yeah. Jump wasn't really wrong in its hard response to Shinohara.

I mean it would be more difficult for Kanata no Astra to survive in WSJ. It's possible it would last less volumes.

Shinohara still change his protagonist personality for Jump+.
 

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So, we are reaching the end on the decade. We have just some months left, and I doubt we will see any obvious sucess in that time. Now that the decade is finally ending, what was your overall opinion of the period? Was it good for Jump? Was it bad? Even if you started following the magazine after 2011, I think it would be nice to give your general impression of the period.
And talking about it, what are your opinions on the sucessful manga of this decade? The following are those who I consider sucessful (ie. reached 6 volumes) :
Magico
Kurogane
Nisekoi
Haikyuu!
Saiki Kusuo no Psi Nan
Shokugeki no Souma
Assassination Classroom
Isobe Isobee Monogatari
Hinomaru Zumou
Boku no Hero
Sesuji wo Pin!to
Samon-Kun
Yuragi-sou no Yuuna-San
Kimetsu no Yaiba
The Promised Neverland
Spring Weapon Number One
We Never Learn
Dr. Stone
Robot x Laserbeam
Act-Age
Jujutsu Kaisen
Chainsaw Man
 

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Looking at the evidence, it seems to me like Beast Children is going to go down as the biggest flop of the year.

Shame, it had some potential, but it just didn't pan out.
Wonder if he’ll end up ditching that rugby ball head author pic.
 

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So, we are reaching the end on the decade. We have just some months left, and I doubt we will see any obvious sucess in that time. Now that the decade is finally ending, what was your overall opinion of the period? Was it good for Jump? Was it bad? Even if you started following the magazine after 2011, I think it would be nice to give your general impression of the period.
And talking about it, what are your opinions on the sucessful manga of this decade? The following are those who I consider sucessful (ie. reached 6 volumes) :
Magico
Kurogane
Nisekoi
Haikyuu!
Saiki Kusuo no Psi Nan
Shokugeki no Souma
Assassination Classroom
Isobe Isobee Monogatari
Hinomaru Zumou
Boku no Hero
Sesuji wo Pin!to
Samon-Kun
Yuragi-sou no Yuuna-San
Kimetsu no Yaiba
The Promised Neverland
Spring Weapon Number One
We Never Learn
Dr. Stone
Robot x Laserbeam
Act-Age
Jujutsu Kaisen
Chainsaw Man
Spring Weapon No 1 is a "success"? Uh...no? The series sold like garbage across its entire run, to the point that its continued survival is a point of mystery among people. The best explanation many have is simply that Jump's gag/comedy manga was dying at the time, and they kept Spring around in an attempt to keep it going.

I also think Robot x Laserbeam is the last thing one can call a "success". While it started strong, that was only because of the authors prior work, and it spent its entire run from the start tumbling downwards. That Fujimaki, a guy with a million-seller in Kuroko, wasn't able to keep reader attention the second go around is arguably a bigger failure than most canceled series IMO, it speaks to how even at its peak author name value means nothing.
 

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Spring Weapon No 1 is a "success"? Uh...no? The series sold like garbage across its entire run, to the point that its continued survival is a point of mystery among people. The best explanation many have is simply that Jump's gag/comedy manga was dying at the time, and they kept Spring around in an attempt to keep it going.

I also think Robot x Laserbeam is the last thing one can call a "success". While it started strong, that was only because of the authors prior work, and it spent its entire run from the start tumbling downwards. That Fujimaki, a guy with a million-seller in Kuroko, wasn't able to keep reader attention the second go around is arguably a bigger failure than most canceled series IMO, it speaks to how even at its peak author name value means nothing.
Literally just read the definition of sucess I used
 

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Spring Weapon No 1 is a "success"? Uh...no? The series sold like garbage across its entire run, to the point that its continued survival is a point of mystery among people. The best explanation many have is simply that Jump's gag/comedy manga was dying at the time, and they kept Spring around in an attempt to keep it going.
Gag/comedy manga was dying? Spring Weapon was published during a time when Gintama was still there as popular as always, Saiki was showing no signs of ending and getting even more popular with the first anime season and Kochikame ended one month before with the magazine's issue being so popular that needed a reprint. You have some weird obsession over trying to state that people don't like comedy anymore.
 
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