Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Rain Spectre]

It's a mix of rumors/translation issue?/last volume author's final word/interview with Yabuki on Darling in the Franxx.

To Love-Ru Story Creator: Darkness Is Not the Final Chapter

Artist Kentaro Yabuki says he wants to draw spinoff with Mikan as magical girl

www.animenewsnetwork.com

So TLR Part I ends because Yabuki's wife was a thot who had his daughter kidnapped, and then Part II ends because of a creator dispute? Damn, Yabuki can't catch a break.

 

[Chuck_Atlas]

Personally I'll be fine with Yabuki moving on from TLR into something new, hell with all the new author/artists duos in Jump, maybe he can team up with someone else and come back to the magazine

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

I think you guys forgot the special chapter published months ago on SJ where a new girl was even introduced, it just a matter of time to comeback (Hasemi confirmed and there's no TLR without Yabuki) and honestly the Franxx manga is just a waste of Yabuki's art...

 

[Kolbe]

To anyone reading the Franxx manga, is it ending? I mean, the anime aired a long time ago and I doubt it will get a s2.

 

[Koni]

To anyone reading the Franxx manga, is it ending? I mean, the anime aired a long time ago and I doubt it will get a s2.

The anime was a complete story on its own that had... quite the controversial final arc. The manga adaptation has been going it’s own route different to the ending, so who knows when it’ll end.

 

[4Eyes]

At this point anyone has a sense of how the 2 new series were received in Japan?

 

[Rain Spectre]

At this point anyone has a sense of how the 2 new series were received in Japan?

Based on what my friends have said + my own research, Yozakura's mixed between people legitimately interested in what Gonedaira has planned VS those put off by the janky pacing, while Mitama seems to squarely fall into "Like but not love", people enjoy it for what its worth, but no one is really invested in it.

 

[Leoat12]

From what I've heard about Bleach, that it should have ended after Aizen arc (I never read it, but I remember the name, to see the degree of the complaints), etc. I thought you guys didn't want to hear from Kubo that soon. The poll is very surprising.

 

[101nemesis]

From what I've heard about Bleach, that it should have ended after Aizen arc (I never read it, but I remember the name, to see the degree of the complaints), etc. I thought you guys didn't want to hear from Kubo that soon. The poll is very surprising.

Yeah. People often say Aizen arc because it was what the first 400 chapters were about, basically. So it felt like the conclusion of the main story arc and huge part of the problem is Kubo NEVER tried to tie that in with the two arcs after that. He could've very easily tied it in since all characters basically returned for the final arc (including Aizen). That's on him.
But that said, most also acknowledge Kubo's art, fight match ups and his ability to make fights cool and adrenaline filled.
I've mentioned this before. Kubo is VERY cinematic with his fights, like Murata but on a smaller scale since Kubo has a page count to meet. Murata will spend 30 pages just showing Saitama's entrance and the build up to it. Kubo does that in 15-19 pages.

 

[Rain Spectre]

Yeah. People often say Aizen arc because it was what the first 400 chapters were about, basically. So it felt like the conclusion of the main story arc and huge part of the problem is Kubo NEVER tried to tie that in with the two arcs after that. He could've very easily tied it in since all characters basically returned for the final arc (including Aizen). That's on him.
But that said, most also acknowledge Kubo's art, fight match ups and his ability to make fights cool and adrenaline filled.
I've mentioned this before. Kubo is VERY cinematic with his fights, like Murata but on a smaller scale since Kubo has a page count to meet. Murata will spend 30 pages just showing Saitama's entrance and the build up to it. Kubo does that in 15-19 pages.

The weird thing is that, unlike a lot of Big 3 Era series, Kubo did actually plan out Bleach's story, so the lack of strong connective tissue of any kind towards the Arrancar Arc and the subsequent material was by all indications intentional...

 

[101nemesis]

The weird thing is that, unlike a lot of Big 3 Era series, Kubo did actually plan out Bleach's story, so the lack of strong connective tissue of any kind towards the Arrancar Arc and the subsequent material was by all indications intentional...

Nope. His initial plan for the series was to end by 150ish chapters (SS arc) but it got super popular and therefore he changed his original plan and kept with it. He wasn't sure how many arcs would be there after Aizen but later revealed there would be two arcs. Even during interviews in 2012, before the last arc started, he often stated that he had ideas to do somethings but wasn't sure if he would do it.
No mangaka can plan out their series unless their stories are fixed like AC or Death Note or TPN. Especially not something that runs for 15 years.

 

[NeeNeen]

But that said, most also acknowledge Kubo's art, fight match ups and his ability to make fights cool and adrenaline filled.
I've mentioned this before. Kubo is VERY cinematic with his fights, like Murata but on a smaller scale since Kubo has a page count to meet. Murata will spend 30 pages just showing Saitama's entrance and the build up to it. Kubo does that in 15-19 pages.

I love his ability to create atmosphere. Bleach has a couple of spreads that I found really impactful/breathtaking, and I haven't seen that in many other manga. He should try a short story that relies on tension this time around (I'm pretty sure he doesn't want to start another 10-year publication right now anyway).

 

[Leoat12]

Yeah. People often say Aizen arc because it was what the first 400 chapters were about, basically. So it felt like the conclusion of the main story arc and huge part of the problem is Kubo NEVER tried to tie that in with the two arcs after that. He could've very easily tied it in since all characters basically returned for the final arc (including Aizen). That's on him.
But that said, most also acknowledge Kubo's art, fight match ups and his ability to make fights cool and adrenaline filled.
I've mentioned this before. Kubo is VERY cinematic with his fights, like Murata but on a smaller scale since Kubo has a page count to meet. Murata will spend 30 pages just showing Saitama's entrance and the build up to it. Kubo does that in 15-19 pages.

By seeing some Bleach footage it doesn't seem like Kubo is a big fan of drawing background while Murata makes it fully impactful by doing characters and background as detailed as possible. I wouldn't put both in the same league.

 

[Rain Spectre]

By seeing some Bleach footage it doesn't seem like Kubo is a big fan of drawing background while Murata makes it fully impactful by doing characters and background as detailed as possible. I wouldn't put both in the same league.

I know "Kubo hates backgrounds" is a meme, but not including one is a perfectly fine stylistic choice.

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Is it weird that, despite them starting around the same time as the likes of Haikyu, I can't really see Nisekoi or Assassination Classroom as part of the Modern Era? They always feel like the last series of the Big 3 Era to me.

I wonder why that is?

 

[Leoat12]

I know "Kubo hates backgrounds" is a meme, but not including one is a perfectly fine stylistic choice.

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Is it weird that, despite them starting around the same time as the likes of Haikyu, I can't really see Nisekoi or Assassination Classroom as part of the Modern Era? They always feel like the last series of the Big 3 Era to me.

I wonder why that is?

Everybody makes choices, it doesn't mean they are right. :P

I didn't understand what you mean, could you explain clearly?

 

[Rain Spectre]

Everybody makes choices, it doesn't mean they are right. :P

I didn't understand what you mean, could you explain clearly?

I have a pesudo-system of categorizing Jump by three major period, the Golden Age (roughly beginning of Fist of the North Star to end of Slam Dunk), Big 3 Era (Beginning of One Piece to end of Naruto) and the current period (doesn't have a name). For most of the series that started in the years leading up to Naruto's ending like Haikyu, I tend to consider them part of the current era...yet I just can't for those two.

Dunno why.

 

[Leoat12]

I have a pesudo-system of categorizing Jump by three major period, the Golden Age (roughly beginning of Fist of the North Star to end of Slam Dunk), Big 3 Era (Beginning of One Piece to end of Naruto) and the current period (doesn't have a name). For most of the series that started in the years leading up to Naruto's ending like Haikyu, I tend to consider them part of the current era...yet I just can't for those two.

Dunno why.

It is your categorization and therefore you can do whatever you want with it, there is no discussion for us to make.

 

[101nemesis]

By seeing some Bleach footage it doesn't seem like Kubo is a big fan of drawing background while Murata makes it fully impactful by doing characters and background as detailed as possible. I wouldn't put both in the same league.

Kubo has stated multiple times that he makes his assistant do the background. Meaning he voluntarily chooses to not have big backgrounds. He has always said his focus is on his characters art and that big backgrounds are distracting.
Case in point, S8's early chapters where the background overpowered the characters was quite literally the biggest complaint here on this forum.
A lot of people complain that One Piece's art is often too crowded and hard to follow.

If you want characters as detailed. Then here. Kubo is right up there with the best of the best when it comes to character details and expressions;

Spoiler

Everybody makes choices, it doesn't mean they are right. :P

You do know that there is not "right" or "wrong" with artistic choices, I assume? His lack of background may not suit your style or taste but its not wrong in any form or manner. His focus has always been focused on his character art.
Even when he did do backgrounds, he'd often whiten out the backgrounds around the characters much more than what other mangaka usually do.

 

[Rain Spectre]

So, read the latest translated chapter of Leader Takeshi-kun and it strikes me how...charming the series is.

Like, the manga is incredibly crude in a lot of ways, especially the art, but there's an odd level of sincerity and charm that makes every chapter a pleasant read. I can totally see why it was so big with kids of the time, it's just like the sort of stuff that was popular in my elementary school library.

I dunno, that kind of "Weirdly sincere manga for kids" is something I don't think Jump has really had now, where any series overtly written for children is a lot more random and feels less "authentic" if that's the right term. Makes me ask then, is such a manga like Takeshi even possible now? It's an interesting question to consider.

 

[Leoat12]

Kubo has stated multiple times that he makes his assistant do the background. Meaning he voluntarily chooses to not have big backgrounds. He has always said his focus is on his characters art and that big backgrounds are distracting.
Case in point, S8's early chapters where the background overpowered the characters was quite literally the biggest complaint here on this forum.
A lot of people complain that One Piece's art is often too crowded and hard to follow.

If you want characters as detailed. Then here. Kubo is right up there with the best of the best when it comes to character details and expressions;

Spoiler

You do know that there is not "right" or "wrong" with artistic choices, I assume? His lack of background may not suit your style or taste but its not wrong in any form or manner. His focus has always been focused on his character art.
Even when he did do backgrounds, he'd often whiten out the backgrounds around the characters much more than what other mangaka usually do.

I didn't have any particular complaint about Samurai 8 art then and now, the story is the problem.
It is not as detailed as Murata in my opinion, I think in terms of detailed art he is only behind Inoue and maybe Range Murata, this one in another aspect, in texture, his colors are as realistic as it can get.

There is right and wrong in technique and in what is considered good art, it has been lost these days with so many crappy art out there. Tite Kubo art is not bad at all, far from it, but in my opinion it could develop even more. There are levels to this, make an art detailed without looking crowded, harmony, perspective, anatomy, everything comes into play and this is all technique, there is no fuzzy concepts.
If it were that normal it wouldn't be a well known discussion the lack of background in Kubo's art, because people miss it sometimes.