Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[perroloco]

@Ryuusei thanks a lot this is so interesting could you pleaes provide source? also what does it all mean? It means that for Shonen Sunday Ranma, H2 and other manga I don't understand the Kanjis for also had at some point a 1 million printing per volume?

Could anyone be so kind as to translate the rest of the series' names in this list, pretty please?

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Just to point out, the "they don't make long running anymore" isn't true, there's plenty of long running animes or at least "50ish" animes being produced everytime on Japan, is just happen to most of them be more oriented to kids and most of them have pretty good production, look at Pokemon, being produced non stop since forever and each season gets better animation than the last one, we could pick Boruto that is by Pierrot and produced for almost 3 years and have better animation than most part of the seasonal hyped series, is just the case of having a good staff and schedule, the real problem is that the studios who are more willing to adapt darker and violent series like JJK are Pierrot and Toei, so the chances of having a average production is high, but i would love to see JJK having a long running anime, or at least something like Diamond no Ace that is already on the third "50+ episodes" season", but not gonna happen anyway.

 

[OniluapL]

@Ryuusei thanks a lot this is so interesting could you pleaes provide source? also what does it all mean? It means that for Shonen Sunday Ranma, H2 and other manga I don't understand the Kanjis for also had at some point a 1 million printing per volume?

Could anyone be so kind as to translate the rest of the series' names in this list, pretty please?

I don't know japanese, so I can't translate the rest, but for sunday it's Conan, Ranma, Inuyasha, H2 and Silver Spoon. Weird, I thought Touch would be on that list.

 

[Ryuusei]

@Ryuusei thanks a lot this is so interesting could you pleaes provide source? also what does it all mean? It means that for Shonen Sunday Ranma, H2 and other manga I don't understand the Kanjis for also had at some point a 1 million printing per volume?

Could anyone be so kind as to translate the rest of the series' names in this list, pretty please?

Spoiler: Complete List

- 21 Series, Weekly Shounen Jump: One Piece, Slam Dunk, Dr. Slump, Dragon Ball, Yuu Yuu Hakushou, Naruto, Kinnikuman, Hunter x Hunter, Rurouni Kenshin, Bleach, Death Note, Prince of Tennis, Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken, Bastard!!, Hokuto no Ken, Saint Seiya, Captain Tsubasa, Video Girl Ai, Rokudenashi Blues, Kuroko no Basket, Assassination Classroom.
- 5 Series, Weekly Shounen Sunday: Detective Conan, Ranma 1/2, H2, Inuyasha, Silver Spoon
- 3 Series, Weekly Shounen Magazine: The Kindaichi Case Files, Bukkomi no Taku, Great Teacher Onizuka
- 3 Series, Weekly Young Magazine: Be Bop Highschool, Ping Pong Club, Initial D
- 3 Series, Weekly Morning: Vagabond, Say Hello to Black Jack, The Silent Service
- 2 Series, Bessatsu Margaret: Kimi ni Todoke, Hot Road
- 2 Series, Nakayoshi: Sailor Moon, Candy Candy
- 2 Series, Monthly Shounen GanGan: Fullmetal Alchemist, Magical Circle Guru Guru
- 1 Series, Ribbon: Chibi Maruko-chan
- 1 Series, Cookie: Nana
- 1 Series, Shounen Big Comic: Miyuki
- 1 Series, Manga Action: Crayon Shin-chan
- 1 Series, mimi: Shiratori Reiko de Gozaimasu!
- 1 Series, CoroCoro Comic: Doraemon
- 1 Series, Margaret: Hana Yori Dango
- 1 Series, kiss: Nodame Cantabile
- 1 Series, Young Jump: Real
- 1 Series, Bessatsu Shounen Magazine: Shingeki no Kyojin
- 1 Series, Morning Two: Saint Young Men
- 1 Series, Monthly Shounen Magazine: Dear Boys
- 1 Series, Big Comic Original: Pluto
- 1 Series, Jump SQ: Ao no Exorcist
- 1 Series, Big Comic Spirits: Oishinbo
- 1 Series, Monthly Shounen Ace: Neon Genesis Evangelion
- 1 Series, Weekly Shounen Champion: Dokaben: Pro Yakyuu-Hen

Source: https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5997227312

 

[pamuchi]

Amazing how WSJ rules everything.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

How Kuroko no Basket had a initial print of 1 million and Haikyuu that literally had a volume with 1 million of copies sold on Oricon yearly sales didn't have? doesn't make any sense.

 

[pamuchi]

Some wsj series and its circulation numbers when they reached 18 volumes.

 

[Nemesis]

Just to point out, the "they don't make long running anymore" isn't true, there's plenty of long running animes or at least "50ish" animes being produced everytime on Japan, is just happen to most of them be more oriented to kids and most of them have pretty good production, look at Pokemon, being produced non stop since forever and each season gets better animation than the last one, we could pick Boruto that is by Pierrot and produced for almost 3 years and have better animation than most part of the seasonal hyped series, is just the case of having a good staff and schedule, the real problem is that the studios who are more willing to adapt darker and violent series like JJK are Pierrot and Toei, so the chances of having a average production is high, but i would love to see JJK having a long running anime, or at least something like Diamond no Ace that is already on the third "50+ episodes" season", but not gonna happen anyway.

Nah, Toei doesn't work on violent series for quite sometime, I don't even remember the last time they worked on such thing. And the last new adaptation they pick was like in 5 years ago, since then they've been doing original series or working on anime that are already a staple to them like One Piece, Dragon Ball, Sailor Moon and so on. In these days some of those aren't even animated by them, with Toei Animation only being on the production side like with Saintia Sho which was animated by Saintia Sho (which had only Toei on the committee btw) and also the new Digimon movie, which is animated by Yumeta Company with Toei Animation also on the production, but here since it's a movie, Toei (the actual one, not animation) and other companies are probably on production and committee as well.

But good point overall tho. People forget that tons of anime are long-running series outside of the seasonal ones (and even some on the seasonal are). Like you say, most of those are kids anime so many are ignored even though the production of those anime still exists. Aikatsu, Precure, Pripara, Yokai Watch, Gegege no Kitaro, Pokémon and many more out there are like this.

 

[Thundercat27]

The Rakuten ebook listing feels suspicious too, how is Mahouka Koukou so low when it is consistently the best written LN. Shield Hero is also really low considering this year it had its anime. It should easily be in the top 10 considering the anime was incredibly popular and MADKID are exceptional.

BLeach being there is odd as well as YowaPeda and beating out Owari no Serafu??? I dont get it.

BLack Clover at least being there is pleasing, but then I can't imagine it is really that low when we know it brings in incredible profits. Perhaps KOBO is just such a small part of the market that they are only looking at trends among a niche crowd. Only way to accept the data.

Rakuten, the Amazon of Japan, is a niche site now huh.

 

[SharkBait]

How Kuroko no Basket had a initial print of 1 million and Haikyuu that literally had a volume with 1 million of copies sold on Oricon yearly sales didn't have? doesn't make any sense.

Fortunately sales matter more than initial print run, total selling is always better than fastest out of the gate, slow and steady wins the race as they say.

 

[Rain Spectre]

In case people haven't seen this, Jump PUSH campaign for Jigokuraku!

特製リバーシブルブックカバープレゼント!! - 少年ジャンプ＋

『地獄楽』コミックス購入者限定!!特製リバーシブルブックカバープレゼント!!

www.shonenjump.com

 

[perroloco]

Oishinbo must have been super popular back when it had its anime running, I mean I don't even think its volumes rank top 10 anymore when they get released or do they??

For some reason Ao No Exorcist just kinda feels like an outlier lol, no hate to the series or anything... It's just idk haha

In hindsight Ao No Exorcist was kinda in the same situation Yaiba is in right now, got a super popular anime and got super popular pretty fast.. but the second season took to much time, and it lost most of its popularity (? I think? I don't really follow its sales)

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Oishinbo must have been super popular back when it had its anime running, I mean I don't even think its volumes rank top 10 anymore when they get released or do they??

For some reason Ao No Exorcist just kinda feels like an outlier lol, no hate to the series or anything... It's just idk haha

In hindsight Ao No Exorcist was kinda in the same situation Yaiba is in right now, got a super popular anime and got super popular pretty fast.. but the second season took to much time, and it lost most of its popularity (? I think? I don't really follow its sales)

Still big enough, selling over 350k (total) after 10 years of serialization.

 

[Rain Spectre]

Spoiler: Complete List

- 21 Series, Weekly Shounen Jump: One Piece, Slam Dunk, Dr. Slump, Dragon Ball, Yuu Yuu Hakushou, Naruto, Kinnikuman, Hunter x Hunter, Rurouni Kenshin, Bleach, Death Note, Prince of Tennis, Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken, Bastard!!, Hokuto no Ken, Saint Seiya, Video Girl Ai, Rokudenashi Blues, Kuroko no Basket, Assassination Classroom.
- 5 Series, Weekly Shounen Sunday: Detective Conan, Ranma 1/2, H2, Inuyasha, Silver Spoon
- 3 Series, Weekly Shounen Magazine: The Kindaichi Case Files, Bukkomi no Taku, Great Teacher Onizuka
- 3 Series, Weekly Young Magazine: Be Bop Highschool, Ping Pong Club, Initial D
- 3 Series, Weekly Morning: Vagabond, Say Hello to Black Jack, The Silent Service
- 2 Series, Bessatsu Margaret: Kimi ni Todoke, Hot Road
- 2 Series, Nakayoshi: Sailor Moon, Candy Candy
- 2 Series, Monthly Shounen GanGan: Fullmetal Alchemist, Magical Circle Guru Guru
- 1 Series, Ribbon: Chibi Maruko-chan
- 1 Series, Cookie: Nana
- 1 Series, Shounen Big Comic: Miyuki
- 1 Series, Manga Action: Crayon Shin-chan
- 1 Series, mimi: Shiratori Reiko de Gozaimasu!
- 1 Series, CoroCoro Comic: Doraemon
- 1 Series, Margaret: Hana Yori Dango
- 1 Series, kiss: Nodame Cantabile
- 1 Series, Young Jump: Real
- 1 Series, Bessatsu Shounen Magazine: Shingeki no Kyojin
- 1 Series, Morning Two: Saint Young Men
- 1 Series, Monthly Shounen Magazine: Dear Boys
- 1 Series, Big Comic Original: Pluto
- 1 Series, Jump SQ: Ao no Exorcist
- 1 Series, Big Comic Spirits: Oishinbo
- 1 Series, Monthly Shounen Ace: Neon Genesis Evangelion
- 1 Series, Weekly Shounen Champion: Dokaben: Pro Yakyuu-Hen

Source: https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5997227312

Wait a minute...Saint Seiya was a million seller, and yet Jump still had it canceled against Kuramada's will? The hell was up with the standards of the Golden Age?

 

[MangAniMY]

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　１０月４日に発売されるコミック「黒子のバスケ」２４巻と「暗殺教室」６巻が、初版発行部数１００万部を突破する。集英社「週刊少年ジャンプ」４５年の歴史の中で、初回...

www.nikkansports.com

but vol. 19 was 600k

19巻​

初版60万部​

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＜出版指標年報1990＞​

＜出版指標年報1990＞ means that info was published in 1990 which is at the end of SS publication,


also, 19 is after the anime ended

 

[Datu Mike]

Nah, Toei doesn't work on violent series for quite sometime, I don't even remember the last time they worked on such thing. And the last new adaptation they pick was like in 5 years ago, since then they've been doing original series or working on anime that are already a staple to them like One Piece, Dragon Ball, Sailor Moon and so on. In these days some of those aren't even animated by them, with Toei Animation only being on the production side like with Saintia Sho which was animated by Saintia Sho (which had only Toei on the committee btw) and also the new Digimon movie, which is animated by Yumeta Company with Toei Animation also on the production, but here since it's a movie, Toei (the actual one, not animation) and other companies are probably on production and committee as well.

But good point overall tho. People forget that tons of anime are long-running series outside of the seasonal ones (and even some on the seasonal are). Like you say, most of those are kids anime so many are ignored even though the production of those anime still exists. Aikatsu, Precure, Pripara, Yokai Watch, Gegege no Kitaro, Pokémon and many more out there are like this.

Yu-gi-oh series, Detective conan, Gundams series, Duel master and lots of toys related anime like Bayblade etc. Long-running anime had a huge titles than Seasonal anime but the problem is they were made for kids so we can agree now who does make more profitable right?

 

[Heiji]

20 million was for comics only, 25 million is for the series' total (comics, light novels, digitals, fanbook).

No. 20 millions was also for serie.

Btw :

大ヒット『鬼滅の刃』2500万部突破へ…2ヶ月弱で累計倍に　新刊18巻は初の初版100万部超え (2019年11月27日) - エキサイトニュース

12月4日に発売される人気漫画『鬼滅の刃』（集英社）のコミックス18巻の初版発行部数がシリーズ初の100万部になることが決定し、累計発行部数が2500万部（電子版含む）を突破することが27日、集英社か...

www.excite.co.jp

今年9月29日時点のシリーズ累計発行部数（16巻まで）は全世界1200万部と集英社から公表されており、新刊18巻の初版を含め2500万部を突破する見込みであることから、2ヶ月弱で2倍以上の発行部数を記録したことがわかる。

12 000 000 numbers (29/09) was Worldwide numbers. So, normaly 25 000 000 numbers include also worlwide numbers.

 

[Rain Spectre]

No. 20 millions was also for serie.

Btw :

大ヒット『鬼滅の刃』2500万部突破へ…2ヶ月弱で累計倍に　新刊18巻は初の初版100万部超え (2019年11月27日) - エキサイトニュース

12月4日に発売される人気漫画『鬼滅の刃』（集英社）のコミックス18巻の初版発行部数がシリーズ初の100万部になることが決定し、累計発行部数が2500万部（電子版含む）を突破することが27日、集英社か...

www.excite.co.jp

12 000 000 numbers (29/09) was Worldwide numbers. So, normaly 25 000 000 numbers include also worlwide numbers.

Huh, that makes a bit more sense. Kimetsu's anime got everyone talking worldwide on a scale I haven't seen in years. So it makes sense that at least one or two million would be added from all the overseas demand.

 

[Ryuusei]

No. 20 millions was also for serie.

Btw :

大ヒット『鬼滅の刃』2500万部突破へ…2ヶ月弱で累計倍に　新刊18巻は初の初版100万部超え (2019年11月27日) - エキサイトニュース

12月4日に発売される人気漫画『鬼滅の刃』（集英社）のコミックス18巻の初版発行部数がシリーズ初の100万部になることが決定し、累計発行部数が2500万部（電子版含む）を突破することが27日、集英社か...

www.excite.co.jp

12 000 000 numbers (29/09) was Worldwide numbers. So, normaly 25 000 000 numbers include also worlwide numbers.

Hm, that ad had "comics" written in it so I thought that would be it, but you're trustworthy for this matter and if you're saying so, then it's series.

 

[Rain Spectre]

Spoiler: Complete List

- 21 Series, Weekly Shounen Jump: One Piece, Slam Dunk, Dr. Slump, Dragon Ball, Yuu Yuu Hakushou, Naruto, Kinnikuman, Hunter x Hunter, Rurouni Kenshin, Bleach, Death Note, Prince of Tennis, Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken, Bastard!!, Hokuto no Ken, Saint Seiya, Video Girl Ai, Rokudenashi Blues, Kuroko no Basket, Assassination Classroom.
- 5 Series, Weekly Shounen Sunday: Detective Conan, Ranma 1/2, H2, Inuyasha, Silver Spoon
- 3 Series, Weekly Shounen Magazine: The Kindaichi Case Files, Bukkomi no Taku, Great Teacher Onizuka
- 3 Series, Weekly Young Magazine: Be Bop Highschool, Ping Pong Club, Initial D
- 3 Series, Weekly Morning: Vagabond, Say Hello to Black Jack, The Silent Service
- 2 Series, Bessatsu Margaret: Kimi ni Todoke, Hot Road
- 2 Series, Nakayoshi: Sailor Moon, Candy Candy
- 2 Series, Monthly Shounen GanGan: Fullmetal Alchemist, Magical Circle Guru Guru
- 1 Series, Ribbon: Chibi Maruko-chan
- 1 Series, Cookie: Nana
- 1 Series, Shounen Big Comic: Miyuki
- 1 Series, Manga Action: Crayon Shin-chan
- 1 Series, mimi: Shiratori Reiko de Gozaimasu!
- 1 Series, CoroCoro Comic: Doraemon
- 1 Series, Margaret: Hana Yori Dango
- 1 Series, kiss: Nodame Cantabile
- 1 Series, Young Jump: Real
- 1 Series, Bessatsu Shounen Magazine: Shingeki no Kyojin
- 1 Series, Morning Two: Saint Young Men
- 1 Series, Monthly Shounen Magazine: Dear Boys
- 1 Series, Big Comic Original: Pluto
- 1 Series, Jump SQ: Ao no Exorcist
- 1 Series, Big Comic Spirits: Oishinbo
- 1 Series, Monthly Shounen Ace: Neon Genesis Evangelion
- 1 Series, Weekly Shounen Champion: Dokaben: Pro Yakyuu-Hen

Source: https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5997227312

For reference, here's the exact printing sales for the Top 30:

1 One Piece 67 - 4.05M
2 SnK 13 - 2.72M
3 Slam Dunk 21 - 2.5M
4 Chibi Maruko-chan 7 - 2.38M
5 NANA 14 - 2.3M
6 Be-Bop-Highschool - 2.27M
7 Dr. Slump 6 - 2.2M
8 Dragon Ball 35 - 2.2M
9 Detective Conan 17 - 2M
10 Crayon Shin-chan 7 - 1.9M
11 Vagabond 15 - 1.83M
12 Yuu☆Yuu☆Hakusho 15 - 1.7M
13 Ike! Ina-chuu Takkyuubu 9 - 1.7M
14 Naruto 31 - 1.62M
15 Kinnikuman 17 - 1.6M
16 Hunter x Hunter 13 - 1.6M
17 Fullmetal Alchemist 27 - 1.52M
18 Ranma 1/2 13 - 1.5M
19 H2 17 - 1.5M
20 Rurouni Kenshin 17 - 1.33M
21 Bleach 25 - 1.33M
22 Sailor Moon 3 - 1.32M
23 Shiratori Reiko de Gozaimasu 1- 1.27M
24 Death Note 7 - 1.27M
25 Black Jack ni Yoroshiku 5 - 1.25M
26 Kaze Densetsu 8 - 1.22M
27 Silver Spoon 11 - 1.2M
28 Doraemon 19- 1.2M
29 Hana yori Dango 31- 1.2M
30 Nodame Cantabile 20- 1.17M