Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Serinox]

Source?

Oricon news article: https://www.oricon.co.jp/news/2149735/full/

 

[Rain Spectre]

Oricon news article: https://www.oricon.co.jp/news/2149735/full/

Well, if Oda thinks he was beaten...I don't think there's much room for argument.

 

[Kharthas]

Oricon news article: https://www.oricon.co.jp/news/2149735/full/

Maybe Google Translate is doing a bad job again, but I don't see anything about Kimetsu ranking first? The article only mentions that Oda feels Kimetsu's huge momentum. In fact it looks like he's thanking readers for OP ranking 1st in individual volume.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

So seriously, what the hell happened with Shueisha? if Oda is congratulating Gotouge and saying "you beat me", this makes Shueisha looks like a bunch of fools for allowing that article lol

 

[pamuchi]

Oricon news article: https://www.oricon.co.jp/news/2149735/full/

What does it says?

 

[Serinox]

I don't think it actually says that KnY beat OP. Seems like that was speculation by @NyanPower in their post.

 

[Tamil]

I think we can blame Shueisha on the sudden bad blood. Everyone already accepted Kimetsu would be 1st this year, then Shueisha went and dropped the bombshell with their own numbers, effectively sparking a feud between OP fanbase and, let's be honest, people hating OP.

Edit: the memes are on full force

Spoiler

Shueisha fueled it for sure but if you have ever followed manga sales for a long time now, there has always been a small community of people that wanted to see OP fans rage over the fact they have been dethroned. It was there when AoT was close to beating out OP in series sales (in all honesty it should've since it was the closest to OP's volume sales). Like I said before both sides can get equally toxic.

 

[OniluapL]

I mean, really, that whole thing is just so tiring. I don't actually care that Kimetsu beat One Piece, nor would I care if that was the opposite. But the need from the entire manga fandom to turn it into a heated competition made it so irritating. It's just sales, doesn't mean anything regarding what you actually think of both series, it's just interesting to see how the industry is going. One Piece isn't even losing in volume sales, why do they care? And why is this reason to say "BTFO" or whatever to One Piece and One Piece fans.

Holy shit, oricon sales didn't need to turn into a whole discourse. And yeah, Shueisha didn't help, but it was already going this way.

 

[Rain Spectre]

I'm pretty sure this is just the nuance of the Japanese language speaking. I see very little reason to doubt it otherwise, Oda has no reason to make such a comment.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Google translator for the text was posted: Eiichiro Oda, author of “ONE PIECE”, who won first place in the “Volume” of “Oricon Annual Comic Ranking 2019”, “Recently, many people say that jumping (SJ) is now funny. ”Of course, young writers are now enthusiastic about jumping! (SJ)”. Mr. Oda seems to feel the momentum of “Devil's Blade”.

So basically he isn't literally saying "you beat me" but Oricon is saying because they only mention the volume sales for OP, not the total for series

 

[ChocoBar9]

So nothing really. I doubt Oda would want to speak out against Shuiesha's word even if he is being encouraging but fans will see it one way or another. Either way I told you this would happen and now there's going to be a divide between when source is more legit. Would should be a cause of celebration is not strife between warring fractions. I feel sorry for sites like ANN and the like who reported the article because now they'll have to report Oricon's numbers on top of that causing more confusion.

 

[TyVip]

What if next year it's the repeat 10 years ago, Wano Piece

32 million copies sold One Piece 2020

 

[Jovan]

Rough Google Translate of Oda part.

"Recently, many people have told me that Jump is now interesting. Of course because of the excitement for “Kimetsu no Yaiba”, and young artists are also enthusiastic about Jump! ! Naturally, me too! ! I hope you will pick it up. Thank you for the 1st place for the single volume sales! I'm honored!"

 

[pamuchi]

This is just a matter of time for Shueisha to deliver a clarification. But if Oda is thanking Oricon for the 1st place on single volume sales, then that's it.

He would have celebrated the first place in annual ranking but he hasn't or sent a message about,even from shuesha statement.

 

[Halloween]

Moderator Notice:
Guys, I had to delete way too many posts just now.

What's absolutely not going to happen here is people poking fun at One Piece/Kimetsu no Yaiba over this situation, with fanboying passive aggressiveness back and forth. It's childish and extremely unbecoming of this site.

We're all better than that, so I ask that you all refrain from that sort of behavior. Thank you.~ Buranchi

 

[ChocoBar9]

This is just a matter of time for Shueisha to deliver a clarification. But if Oda is thanking Oricon for the 1st place on single volume sales, then that's it.

He would have celebrated the first place in annual ranking but he hasn't or sent a message about,even from shuesha statement.

To be fair he doesn't really say anything about the 1# total ranking only in 2017 when it was for 10 years at being 1# did he have something to say. The only other times in which the rankings made headlines was when Attack On Titan beat in in half year sales in 2014 which had the author go on twitter and thanking everyone for support.

 

[RafGL]

TL from Oda's full statement:

 

[Halloween]

Anyway, it seems to me Oda and Shueisha is saying that One Piece had the highest individual volume sales this year, and not that One Piece necessarily sold the most this year.

Essentially, they're using a different metric for victory. That's fine and all, but it's probably going to confuse a lot of people.

 

[NyanPower]

Rough Google Translate of Oda part.

"Recently, many people have told me that Jump is now interesting. Of course because of the excitement for “Kimetsu no Yaiba”, and young artists are also enthusiastic about Jump! ! Naturally, me too! ! I hope you will pick it up. Thank you for the 1st place for the single volume sales! I'm honored!"

I don’t get this. if Oricon's numbers are that unreliable, why would Oda thank them for the 1st spot for single volume sales anyway

 

[Rain Spectre]

I don’t get this. if Oricon's numbers are that unreliable, why would Oda thank them for the 1st spot for single volume sales anyway

It's almost as if Oricon is considered reliable by the industry, and we've just been running around in circles because of misinformation and poor reporting.