Discussion Zoro and Sanji

[Aliocha]

Where did you get that Daz is weak to blunt attacks? How can he be weak to blunt attacks but not swords? And given he can turn any part of his body to sword, how would Luffy and Sanji stand a chance without swords?

Sanji could beat Kaku without his swords and could find a way to beat Ryuuma, but I"m not sure how as Ryuuma is a swordsman and doesn't transform.

Luffy uses the strongest attacks he can to win against hated opponents, while Sanji's fights aren't that kind of urgent. He and Bon were friends, against Jabra he needed to get the key, and Absalom had an animal body that was extremely tough, but Sanji was still able to deal enough damage that Nami could finish him off.

Thia is true if you're talking about the real world. Remember the mohs scale, you just can cutt a material if you have a more hard material, blunt damage is a different thing.

Sanji could kick a submarine and a whale in each free-kick with his feet, no steel plate in the world could stand a blow from him, but anyway, One Piece have their own logic.

 

[Shasha23]

I personally doubt Zoro is going to be stronger than the likes of: Whitebeard, Roger, Big Mom, Kaido, Rocks, Garp, Shanks, Akainu... even as WSS.

He will surpass Mihawk but still be weaker than someone weaker than Mihawk?
I dont get this logic.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Is there confirmation that Yosaku and Johnny swords are better quality than Hatchan's swords?
As pointed out, shattering thin steel and doing something to Mr1 are two different things.

Breath of all things - it was two abilities, CoO and CoA.
Hearing something more than just the presence, a heartbeat in all things clearly falls under CoO and is independent from cutting steel.
Hitting the tree leaves and not cutting them is external haki flow coating the sword which is CoA.

No, but Wado is better quality that all those swords combined. Its quality it beyond the swords hatchan uses... unless we find out Hatchan also had a 21 Wazamono. Which I'm sure he didn't. I just cant state it as fact.

Hyo didnt mention observation haki in his description of Breath of all Things so I'm not sure CoO is confirmed. For sure CoA is confirmed.

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He will surpass Mihawk but still be weaker than someone weaker than Mihawk?
I dont get this logic.

Mihawk is looking for someone stronger than Shanks despite never fighting Shanks once he became a Yonko????

 

[hokageji]

I've said the same thing, Zoro > Sanji but only slightly. This was completely true in pre-time skip era.

Post time skip, there's plenty to believe the gap has increased. But perhaps Oda will equalize it through RS and Enma.

 

[Shasha23]

I've said the same thing, Zoro > Sanji but only slightly. This was completely true in pre-time skip era.

Post time skip, there's plenty to believe the gap has increased. But perhaps Oda will equalize it through RS and Enma.

Yeap the gap was huge until RS came into play, without it Sanji doesnt even come close to Luffy and Zoro

 

[hokageji]

so basically Zoro fans will not accept Sanji as 90% of ZOro's strength, but Sanji fans except King Moe will accept Zoro being 110% of Sanji.... cos basically that's what most of the discussion is coming to.
I am using Sanji fans here loosely, the better word would be non-zoro fans..

 

[Sachsenhesse]

so basically Zoro fans will not accept Sanji as 90% of ZOro's strength, but Sanji fans except King Moe will accept Zoro being 110% of Sanji.... cos basically that's what most of the discussion is coming to.
I am using Sanji fans here loosely, the better word would be non-zoro fans..

Zorofan here who accepts Sanji is 90%.

 

[nik87]

Zorofan here who accepts Sanji is 90%.

Verräter!

 

[Shasha23]

A lot of these Zoro fans are just trolls or idiots, truth be told. not much reason to believe Sanji's that much inferior to Zoro

Without RS he defiantly is.

 

[M3J]

Still lacking reason, especially considering their different fighting styles.

 

[Shasha23]

Still lacking reason, especially considering their different fighting styles.

Without his RS he was nothing but a jobber, but now he is able to fight off some as strong as Page 1 with little difficulty, the boost from the RS is so high that in his base level strength is miles away from Zoro and Luffy but RS closes that gap

 

[Fox666]

Sanji "fans" are mostly delusional, there is no way Zoro is only 10% stronger after what we have seen this past 10 years of the NW, Zoro and Luffy are levels higher than Sanji currently but because of RS that boosts all of his stats Sanji is relative to Luffy and Zoro again.

Ok...

Could you please take a look at this cover page, and tell me what's going on it?

Why is Zoro unconscious with a bump on his head?

Spoiler

 

[M3J]

Without his RS he was nothing but a jobber, but now he is able to fight off some as strong as Page 1 with little difficulty, the boost from the RS is so high that in his base level strength is miles away from Zoro and Luffy but RS closes that gap

See nowhere where he was a jobber, especially given Doflamingo even praised him.

 

[hokageji]

A lot of these Zoro fans are just trolls or idiots, truth be told. not much reason to believe Sanji's that much inferior to Zoro

well said... its only either of the two..

I also had a dream of being world president, you also wana explain that?

Or maybe you didnt even read the pen note

Well the point is Oda has had the narrative that they are rivals. And to keep the rivalry on, he shows them to be nearly equal in strength. Zoro clearly needs to be stronger in a narrative, he is the first mate as well as someone who's ambition directly overlaps with strength. He is maintaining that.

 

[Fox666]

I also had a dream of being world president, you also wana explain that?

Or maybe you didnt even read the pen note

You do realize the pen note about dreams is talking about the dreams they are having, right?

 

[nik87]

You do realize the pen note about dreams is talking about the dreams they are having, right?

It is a fan request.

 

[Aliocha]

If Sanji fight against Queen and Zoro King, i don't know what all these people will say

 

[nik87]

If Sanji fight against Queen and Zoro King, i don't know what all these people will say

Same they said when they fought against Kaku and Jabra, that they are equal while it couldnt be further away from the truth...
Jabra is fodder to Zoro, has nothing to defend against him while Kaku would make a mincemeat out of Sanji...

 

[Shasha23]

Well the point is Oda has had the narrative that they are rivals. And to keep the rivalry on, he shows them to be nearly equal in strength. Zoro clearly needs to be stronger in a narrative, he is the first mate as well as someone who's ambition directly overlaps with strength. He is maintaining that.

They are not rival, they just dont like each other all this started because Sanji thought Zoro said Nami had small bobs, before that they never had problems.
Of cause Sanji will always be relative to Zoro and Luffy, he has always been from the moment he joint, but after time skip Luffy and Zoro pulled away thats the whole reason Sanji had to get the RS that boosts his stats, since he has had the RS no one can argue Sanji is close to Zoro and Luffy again but before....................NOPE, without it he lost to everyone he had ever fought in the NW except Yonji

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See nowhere where he was a jobber, especially given Doflamingo even praised him.

Doffy, Vergo, Niji, ect Sanji has been a hype toll but thats different now because he has his RS.

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You do realize the pen note about dreams is talking about the dreams they are having, right?

Yes and?

 

[Fox666]

It is a fan request.

But it's still in the manga

For example, if a fan made a request of Sanji punching a woman, he wouldn't do it...

Yes and?

Zoro and Sanji knocking out each other is not a dream, their dreams is that they knocked the other