Chapter Tower of God Chapter 462 Spoilers & Discussion

[Madelin]

Kallavan will never ganged against Baam, that is totally uncharacteristic of him if he were to do that

 

[xGen]

Karakka is a baby Slayer, tho I thought of him immediately when the "Wangnan" popped up, I think this is another brother. Karakka isn't old enough to be previous to Dowon sealing.

Yeah me too. But who could it be. And it shouldnt be posible for someone to see a fate where an irregular is involved. Plus that was a time of jahad becoming king. So i dont think it was his child he was crazy about Arlean then

 

[toil]

Kinda wonder if Zahard split off aspects of himself to become more kingly: maybe Wangnan isn’t really a clone so much as like all of Zahard’s childish or juvenile aspects. So flashback Zahard would be before that, and current-Zahard is all-business.

Or there’s something stranger going on.

 

[Demonspeed]

But what about the

???

I don't think that's him. I just want to check if I remember correctly.

 

[angeldust]

Theory: the clone is the final prince with guide powers. karaka has immortality. wagnan has demon->???.

Looking at Dowon makes me remember Gustang's speech about the rift forming, she is trying to maintain a status quo which is collapsing for fear of the effects the change will bring.

Just realised the timeline is fcked up. When did V die is it during the genesis war or before. This war puts holes on Garam's narration big time

 

[Orbs2op]

So after fully reading the trans and chapter, delete defeat is easy and kinda rush, the hero reasons makes sense to stop the bloodshed, but she is still clearly being manipulate maybe she is under a spell, it's zahard in some form gave her the info on bam, cause he clearly been guiding bam since jinsung is being used to bait.

She recognized shinwonryu functions instantly, so she is gonna try some stronger attacks and then they talk a little, then kallavan or new cammander shows up which could be that z which the hero saw in the past.

 

[paulbee]

No shortage of stupid people in the Tower, it seems. Way to put yourself on the train tracks, Dowon.

Is this some kind of Asian drama Logic? I seem to recall similar reasoning in other anime

 

[King Dryst]

Is this some kind of Asian drama Logic? I seem to recall similar reasoning in other anime

Plot induced stupidity.

 

[zephyrite]

Why do I have the impression that the guide that is currently beside White (that could reflect all wave controller attack before) will now not be has effective

 

[Wha]

Dowon seems to be rather easy to influence - first killing in the flower team for who knows how long because of her people and then rejecting the idea of killing people for the goal of dethroning Zahard. I wonder what that blond boy told her.

Funny that Khel and the guide thought that Dowon would seek revenge against Zahard. Rather she seems to side with him. FUG would do good in deposing both of them, before they do any more damage.....

I do wonder how Cha will react if Dowon gets killed / defeated here ( if he gets released, which should be likely because of his introduction).


Maybe, just maybe, Bam is the worst match up for a wave controller like Dowon. She doesn't seem to be as fast as someone like Gado. With his shinsoo resistance, the thorn and shinwonryu (and his other toys), he might be able to deal with her.

 

[Prince of the RL District]

Interesting turn of events. I guess Dowon telling Canne to wake her up when "Baam" appears was just so that she can kill him. I also sort of understand her pov. This is someone who was willing to surrender and be sealed for peace. Clearly victory isn't the most important thing to her. Even if Baam can topple Zahard, the bloodshed to follow isn't something she is willing to accept. I am interested to see Baam vs Dowon now, but if she is someone Baam can defeat then what's the point of having her though? (well there is a point but somewhat different from expected).

So we're about to have a 3-way battle. Baam vs Dowon vs Kalla? Or would Kalla just sit and watch? I guess there would be no harm in him watching though. Both priority targets are present, and having them battle each other is a good way to evaluate their ability. It'd be interesting to see how Baam manages to win Dowon over (if at all), considering as he does more impressive things, she seems more convinced to kill him. Maybe showing mercy or selflessness after defeating her will do the trick

The only hole in this now is that, if what ur saying is true and all dowon wants is peace then why the hell did she even stand against and fight jahad for? It makes no sense.
What I'm thinking is that she is pretending to be against baam. Probably just wants to test his power or something see if he's really the person she's been waiting for, then ally with him and take out kalla or something. otherwise this makes no frigging sense. And that why I say it's stupid! Stupid!! Stupid!!!

 

[Jedikos]

If Dowon dies, Baam has the mad first descendant Cha on his heels, he will have to killed too. Kinda feels Jahad is setting the old war heroes to be nuked by their own and only savior.

The stage also appears set for widespread news broadcasting about what the irregular Baam can do.
We have Sowo to inform the elders and other Blue Holes to stop fooling, cos there is finally hope.
Kallavan from Zahard's side, to be perhaps used as an example, to tell Adori to be more serious.
White to realize he is never going to eat Baam.
If Dowon is spared, she will undoubtedly fear and respect Baam.

I bet Hockney, Kaiser and the snake guy appears in next chapter, they will be the medium to spread fear amongst the regulars.

 

[cash2088]

Plot induced stupidity.

To be fair this plot development is one that I feel contradicts everything we have been led to believe about Dowon....

Hopefully this has another dimension we aren’t privy to. As @Prince of d R.D district stated “Why go against Zahard in the first place?”

Was it not because the rise of Zahard and the subjugation of her people? She’d attack a “kid” based on a story from a stranger? I also find it strange they hate Zahard but don’t know what he looks like? Or most would question why some stranger who looks like Zahard just shows up in their home.....

If SIU is going for the “strong heart, fickle resolve” female trope... I’d have to express my strong criticism and dislike.

 

[toil]

So, theory time: Zahard is a king in the usual sense, but perhaps being a king means something special in ToG.

When Zahard gives Wangnan the sword, he describes Wangnan as someone with the seed of a king in him. We know future Zahard has red thorny tentacle horn things, we know Wangnan has little red horns, but Data Zahard doesn’t have horns (I think?) and doesn’t have tentacle powers either (that we saw).

When Zahard commissioned the hidden floor mirror thingy, it’s paraphrased as him going to become a king soon and wanting to preserve a reminder of what he used to be like. This makes sense at face value but what if—what if—it’s much more literal than it comes across: Zahard becoming king is not just about the political office, but about becoming, merging with, or otherwise doing something with...whatever that red tentacle horn monster actually is.

Connection to current chapter is we’ve now seen three Zahards: data Zahard is the earliest snapshot, mystery guy is a “Zahard” from after Zahard started becoming king, and we’ve seen present-era, all-monster Zahard.

It’s all just speculation, but I like birthmark Zahard being “a Zahard”, but maybe some part of him that got shedded when he became a king? Or maybe just another prince of zahard—maybe it’s Leroro, but he suffers from Wangnan-tier amnesia?

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To be fair this plot development is one that I feel contradicts everything we have been led to believe about Dowon....

I don’t, not really: she’s fighting to protect her people, she’s sealed to protect her people, she wakes up and the prophecy of another war seems to be coming true, so she decides to try to protect her people by blocking the prophecy.

Makes sense if her goal is peace instead of a specific anti-Zahard animus.

 

[Jack Van Burace]

Theory: the clone is the final prince with guide powers. karaka has immortality. wagnan has demon->???.

Looking at Dowon makes me remember Gustang's speech about the rift forming, she is trying to maintain a status quo which is collapsing for fear of the effects the change will bring.

Just realised the timeline is fcked up. When did V die is it during the genesis war or before. This war puts holes on Garam's narration big time

I think the Jahad clones are meant by SIU to get us readers accostumed to Jahad's stats and powers. Since a fight with real Jahad Will only happen once, and It would be awkward to use It for Power exposition, we Will slowly get a feeling of How badass he is through the others' abilities.

 

[cash2088]

So, theory time: Zahard is a king in the usual sense, but perhaps being a king means something special in ToG.

When Zahard gives Wangnan the sword, he describes Wangnan as someone with the seed of a king in him. We know future Zahard has red thorny tentacle horn things, we know Wangnan has little red horns, but Data Zahard doesn’t have horns (I think?) and doesn’t have tentacle powers either (that we saw).

When Zahard commissioned the hidden floor mirror thingy, it’s paraphrased as him going to become a king soon and wanting to preserve a reminder of what he used to be like. This makes sense at face value but what if—what if—it’s much more literal than it comes across: Zahard becoming king is not just about the political office, but about becoming, merging with, or otherwise doing something with...whatever that red tentacle horn monster actually is.

Connection to current chapter is we’ve now seen three Zahards: data Zahard is the earliest snapshot, mystery guy is a “Zahard” from after Zahard started becoming king, and we’ve seen present-era, all-monster Zahard.

It’s all just speculation, but I like birthmark Zahard being “a Zahard”, but maybe some part of him that got shedded when he became a king? Or maybe just another prince of zahard—maybe it’s Leroro, but he suffers from Wangnan-tier amnesia?

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I don’t, not really: she’s fighting to protect her people, she’s sealed to protect her people, she wakes up and the prophecy of another war seems to be coming true, so she decides to try to protect her people by blocking the prophecy.

Makes sense if her goal is peace instead of a specific anti-Zahard animus.

The only problem with your assertion that it’s consistent is the fact that Zahard started a war because he couldn’t have the lady he wanted. He started this and THUS is the reason we have Baam.... She said she knew the son of the starters of FUG would arrive, if she knew that much she also knows of Zahards atrocities.

So she chooses the guy who ultimately started the war, a war that never ended just because Zahard thought he killed Arlene’s son.

Don’t you see how contradictory it is to side with the one who precipitated all these events?

Then blames baam for being born? Lol I find it ridiculously stupid and inconsistent.

 

[Jedikos]

The only hole in this now is that, if what ur saying is true and all dowon wants is peace then why the hell did she even stand against and fight jahad for? It makes no sense.
What I'm thinking is that she is pretending to be against baam. Probably just wants to test his power or something see if he's really the person she's been waiting for, then ally with him and take out kalla or something. otherwise this makes no frigging sense. And that why I say it's stupid! Stupid!! Stupid!!!

That sounds most plausible,there are two stories here, the one about her master telling her about "his and her story"
And the one from Jahad look alike
So perhaps not aware that the boy from both stories is one same boy.
OR
She knows it all, and perhaps the Jahad guy told her when she wakes up, the boy will be in danger and the only way to save him is to act as an enemy.

Otherwise, she is showing us a whole other level of stupidity!

 

[cash2088]

She makes her decision from the memories of her sister who’s been essentially in a bubble away from the empire..... She doesn’t know there hasn’t been peace.... She only knows that life at the wall continued after her sealing.

After Zahards extermination of the natives and those who opposed him (her people included) I find it pure stupidity, unless she’s just not revealing her cards yet....

 

[Jedikos]

She makes her decision from the memories of her sister who’s been essentially in a bubble away from the empire..... She doesn’t know there hasn’t been peace.... She only knows that life at the wall continued after her sealing.

After Zahards extermination of the natives and those who opposed him (her people included) I find it pure stupidity, unless she’s just not revealing her cards yet....

Exactly, what she did is probably one of the fastest ways to know about Baam's ideals, and also to know amongst the high rankers present, who is Baam's true enemy.

 

[kkck]

V?

I thought the same thing but the implication appears to be that v and arlen were long gone by the era of genesis... To dowon both of them were merely legends.

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So... we got to see a discount wangnan this chapter. I am going to guess this connects to the princes of zahard... We know wangnan and karaka are old but it seems like they are too young to have been around during genesis. Would wangnan have even lived that long without being a ranker? I suppose this also shows that at least around genesis the princes of zahard were doing legitimate work for the empire...