Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[sharkai]

3 attacks, and the first two he took like a champ, almost effortlessly really. While on the other hand it took Laxus two to down Gajeel .
Why would I mention Wendy enchanting Pantherlily? She didn't use the defensive enchantment and why would I care about the attack taking out Wendy and Mest either? Neither are anywhere close to Gajeel's tier. And no, Lily literally says he's out of time against Azuma and turns into his tiny self.
I wouldn't worry, literally no one considers Azuma Laxus tier.

Of course I'm fire, that goes without saying. What's Jupiter got to do with anything other than it oneshotting Erza through her best defense? Makarov is a tank, doesn't change he was nowhere near as fast as Laxus.
Nowhere in the manga does it say Laxus couldn't move. Laxus had tons of power after Ameterasu, we know this, he literally kicks Hades in the face immediately after lol. It took a smack to the gobber, Ameterasu, Laxus giving away ALL his magic power and Hades' Kamehameha to take out Laxus, and even then he got up a minute later.

Lol, I remember this, you actually think Azuma was stronger than Bluenote don't you? Haha, nah dog, Azuma with the guilds power barely does any better than he did without it. It's a source of mp he can draw on, no more, maybe give him Second Origin to hold some more of that power and he might be able to do something. He's certainly not better than Bluenote, let alone Hades lol.

Gray compares Laxus to Gildarts and leaves out Erza and Mira, and Mira says in order to match someone Laxus tier, she and Erza would have to work together. Mashima made it clear Laxus>Erza

Fine three.
Laxus 2 . So basically laxus and azuma are on same tier

He is wrecked. After gasping and laying on flat on the floor All he says time then turns into a cat.
Featwise he seems to be in his tier

He is fast. He reacted and blocked 25 formula, laxus couldnt react and dodge that same attack, from even less serious hades

Laxus admiting defeat, was because of the formula 25, and lucy mentioned it that spell took him out, he couldntfight anymore. My point however is speed only

Lol not stronger but he had access to.more mp which he released twice. Gildarts mp was in it.

Mira didnt say laxus tier. As far as mira is concern, i.dont think she even think laxus is stronger tham erza.
Gray would say that after laxus recent performance. But tell me, who went through almost the entire gmg without training or SO

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bruh people denying that Laxus was always above Erza

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bruh you are fighting against FACTS not Laxus fans

If you change your name to facts, i would definitely agree.

 

[Seven777]

Fine three.
Laxus 2 . So basically laxus and azuma are on same tier

He is wrecked. After gasping and laying on flat on the floor All he says time then turns into a cat.
Featwise he seems to be in his tier

He is fast. He reacted and blocked 25 formula, laxus couldnt react and dodge that same attack, from even less serious hades

Laxus admiting defeat, was because of the formula 25, and lucy mentioned it that spell took him out, he couldntfight anymore. My point however is speed only

Lol not stronger but he had access to.more mp which he released twice. Gildarts mp was in it.

Mira didnt say laxus tier. As far as mira is concern, i.dont think she even think laxus is stronger tham erza.
Gray would say that after laxus recent performance. But tell me, who went through almost the entire gmg without training or SO

Except for Lily running out of time against Azuma, and Gajeel being stronger than him at full strength. No, he specifically says "out of time", Azuma injured him I'll grant you, floored him even, but the reason he was beaten was because he ran out of time.

Dodging an AoE attack requires more speed than blocking it, simple as that. Laxus reacted to it just fine. Oh and Hades was serious by that point, everyone noted that mid-way through his battle with Team Natsu(around the time they got stomped) Hades magic power jumped massively, Laxus took that on.

No, Wendy specifically mentioned that Laxus LET Hades' Kamehameha hit him so he could give Natsu his magic. Natsu also then makes clear that Laxus could have kept fighting instead of giving him his magic since he's "so much stronger". Laxus wasn't done, he just wanted someone with a guild mark to beat Hades, this is canon.

Actually Azuma doesn't even get the guilds MP, Azuma has control of everyones magic through his control of Tenrou, but nowhere is it said he gets the MP. Also wouldn't make sense since he gave it all back afterwards. He wanted to test his strength against Erza's, he could've oneshot her if he really wanted.

Mira says her and Erza together might not be able to beat Jura, who then Laxus beat. Yeah, of course Gray would say that after Laxus' recent performance, because like most readers he saw Laxus do better than him and team Natsu combined. As for Erza, even with her SO, by the end of GMG she was left trashed, like she couldn't even take on dragon babies trashed.

 

[LaGOAT]

I mean if u wanna use erza statements as facts u can’t pick and choose what fit the narrative of ur argument if u believe erza thought that Laxus wasn’t as powerful as her than u have to go beleive that she thought natsu>=erza since the beginning of the series and at that time natsu got stomp by laxus and with the help from gajeel.( roughtly natsu tier back then) 2. I don’t recall natsu saying that erza was stronger than him but natsu has said that Laxus>natsu meaning he acknowledges that he is weaker. who erza thought that natsu was on her level or maybe stronger so basically laxus>natsu>=erza now if u don’t believe that then we can go by feats which every1 knows that Laxus is superior so... and plus we saw that in the fight. in which laxus won which u @sharkai have admitted

I already have said that erza is on laxus tier but laxus is slightly stronger than erza being in the same tier doesn’t mean same level in power.

 

[Demon Hunter]

If you change your name to facts, i would definitely agree.

Ugh ouch now I'm wounded, bleeding all over the place

You are just not a very nice person, aren't you

 

[Axiomus]

I agree with many things, but...

You have gone from the topic that Erza did not really seriously do during most of the fight, said by Laxus himself.

If you want to put the issue of MP spent to beat Kyria, you must also say that Erza is not really seriously against him.
Apart from that Laxus defeated Kyria effortlessly, he didn't even make him sweat a drop.

Erza was coming out of control of ww + effortlessly beat yet and droy + fanserve cosplay with Jellal + running back to church, all that and beating Kyria effortlessly seems close.

Yes yes, if Laxus had not spent mp he would have won the fight, and if Erza had not cosplays with Jellal she would also have those few mp to make the victory.

Nor do you put that laxus go to kill all the time by order of the ww and Erza fought with her guild mate, she was only seriously in the final part.

If the words of Laxus for revenge, the words of Kyria saying that the two were knocked out, the words of Mashima when clearly putting double ko, do not mean anything to you, then there is a problem.

It is a response without bad intentions.

Even if Erza supposedly held back during some of the fight, she went all towards the end. Laxus outlasted her even after all that. There was no knockout, let alone a double knockout. Erza and Laxus didn't even hit each other with their last attacks. They collapsed from exhaustion, and Erza collapsed first.

Jet and Droy are fodders. I don't even recall Erza requipping a special armour to beat them. Beating Jet and Droy is even less impressive than messing around with Jellal, and still nowhere near comparable to beating Kyria. Kyria can tank Erza's belserion sword. She's on a completely different level to Jet and Droy. If Laxus had saved the magic power he used to defeat Kyria, then he would have been able to cast a secret art powerful enough to defeat Kyria. If Erza hadn't fought Jet and Droy and played around with Jellal, she'd be able to summon a normal sword and a few cosplay outfits.

 

[GL_Nova]

I agree.
very good point with the theme of mp.

watching the chapters you are right with the mp.

Now I say, is it okay to put that laxus would have earned by spending some mp?
Yes, I see it true.

And I also say, is it okay to say that if Erza had fought seriously, she could have defeated Laxus just after the fire-ice slash?
I think so, because it damaged a lot of laxus while she was restraining herself in that attack, if she went seriously, uf, laxus would be really destroyed.

if mashima has doubled ko it must be for something, if one was missing some mp the other nerf containing himself with her attacks for a long time.

That makes no sense. She used that attack, and Laxus immediately shocked her harder than he had the whole fight. He shocked her so bad she had to comment it’s better than she thought he could, after having spent half a chapter already commenting on his actual power.

 

[Demon Hunter]

If we want to be technical, both of them were holding back.

Laxus didn't use any of his DS spells.

He only use Halberd at the end and missed.

Dragons Jaw, Iron Fist, RL Roar etc were nowhere to be found.

The fight seemed off panel for a bit when chapter 45 started so it's possible they dished out their strongest attacks.

Hopefully anime will prolong that fight.

 

[Fyron]

Laxus was above Erza before she got SO , this is undeniable. If she was Laxus' level she would have gone to fight him directly in the battle for FT arc. Plus there's an instance where Mystogan walks inside the guild , everyone falls asleep , Erza is half asleep , and Laxus and Makarov manage to stay awake. Pretty much proves Laxus > Erza at that point.

They were about equals in attack power since Tartaros , but Laxus had much higher tankiness than her , and even now he has , considering he took Gray , Natsu's power which was in Erza's sword coupled with Erza's strength.

Natsu was in his tier in attack power since Alvarez , but Laxus still outclasses him in tankiness.

If Erza doesn't have her enchanted swords she can't do much to Laxus.

He wouldn't have oneshotted Ajeel though.

We know Laxus' attack power scales to Erza's durability. Erza's durability can be scaled via Ajeel's/Natsu's attack power , after her battle with Ajeel. Which makes Laxus' attack power roughly in Natsu's AP's tier. Natsu can't kill Ajeel with one shot AFAIK , even with his strongest move. He even had an extreme diff battle with Elfman where he apparently took a lot of hits , and now we have an accurate gauge of Elfman's power , judging by that I feel safe to say his durability is not as bad as everyone here makes it out to be.

The General of the Spriggan, and King of Magic was wrong in his magical assessment. The great Sharkai’s opinion should be trusted over his assessment of the strength of a spell he actually blocked. That makes less sense every time you guys say it.

August can be wrong. He thought Fairy Heart is some kind of artifact which makes you a god and can make you stronger than Acnologia , he was wrong. Fairy Heart is overhyped useless trash which does literally nothing. The only feat for Fairy Heart is allowing Zeref to rewind time , that's it. August thought that shit would help Zeref become stronger than Acnologia , he was wrong. FH didn't even add one inch of power to Zeref. And before you say he might've said so listening to Zeref , remember he was born out of the FH itself. He must know it's power better than Zeref.

You say he's this wise general of Alvarez , yet he could not realise Zeref didn't even need Fairy Heart or anything to wipe Acnologia's ass ? Zeref is the one who created the Eclipse gate. Zeref could've easily time travelled to the past killed Acno when he was weak. Fucking fodder Rogue could time travel freely to the past and future using the gate and the one who created the Eclipse gate cannot ? Zeref did not realise this because his mind is fucked because of the curse and he's retarded. He doesn't know what he's thinking or what he's talking most of the time. But August did not realise the obvious ? Before you say August did not suggest that because it would've erased their world , remember August was ready to erase everyone using Ars Magia.

He's the general of Alvarez , yet did not have the foresight to notice that majority of the Spriggans are inexperienced brats ? He didn't realise that the Spriggans ( especially Jacob and Brandish ) have absolutely no experience about using their magic properly in combat ? He just let those guys do whatever they want ? How did he think of starting a war like this ?

See ? August has made mistakes many times. It's not entirely out of context to assume that August made a miscalculation there. Especially when he himself thought Cana's cards could harm him. Dude does not know even his own tanking capacity. When Mashima has laid a fight in front of you himself clearly showing Laxus using his strongest move , you've got to trust the author over an in manga character. Mashima's opinion > August's opinion.

 

[GL_Nova]

Lol.
Yes i dont follow like a sheep.
All you have to do show me markarov, gildarts, natsu or hell even mira saying laxus is beyond erza. Or you cam find me an opponent which laxus.beat and full fresh erza couldnt

Gauntlets, are saying laxus had better gauntlets than erza. Seriously
He beat wahl and then beat hades wow
But you dont care when erza played with juvia and lissana ( was that lissana), fought huge number of soldiers, exchange a blow or two.with meredy, fought azuma (who had easily low diffed gajeel tier opponent), took two hits of entire fairy tail combined power (which mind you includied gildarts) and then you want to compare this erza with laxus 5 seconds of fame.
If he was superior why didnt mishma had laxus stomp erza im ff. Why did he stop the fight with no conclusion.

Right after edolas arc, markarov asked if erza wanted to take 100 year quest.

Yeah, jellal defeated erza, when erza was busy hugging him. Lol you people dont even know how funny you people sound, these examples are exactly why i dont trust you guys in these kind of things (a same level of example would be OS lucy being stronger than OS jura, after all Angel slapped him)

Seriously, erza never said laxus is stronger than them. She said was laxus this strong, after it appeared that laxus had tanked the 25 formula. Right aftet her statement laxus fell. But you didnt know that.
Why cant i?
Scrapping at the bottom of the barrel is asking for fair feats

So laxus fought a weak opponent and stomped and
Erza got tortured, gauntlet and fought the strongest demon gate with even more power. Why would i say laxus is stronger than erza by this

What holes? Please show me holes in my arguments so i can fix them

Love that, august wrong. Hmm.
Didnt markarov stated that erza can take laxus in ff arc. Didnt jellal think who would win erza or him in heaven arc.
August is wrong because jellal and laxus shouldnt be that far apart. Nienhart might have the weakest durability. If jellal serious GC cant kill nienhart, a causal laxus nuke isnt doing shit to ajeel. August statement would also imply that laxus can causally kill erza with that nuke, we already know thats not true. Laxus and jellal and natus can be compared, how can laxus casually kill ajeel if jellal and natsu when serious cant.
Red lightening laxus >>> causal laxus nuke >>>>>> natsu or jellal finisher for jacob or nienhart Seriously!

Huh what. Laxus said stop holding back, that is all.

Laxus doenst seems to have fl anymore. His finisher on whal is his strongest move, which is equal to.erza blumblatt. It wasnt basic.

Dude. That is a problem. Laxus is so strong, i mean erza was so impressed by laxus strength. Which is equal to erza strength. Why would erza be impressed if laxus is only as strong herself, unless she never thought laxus was as strong as her. No one was trying to kill anyone, erza was just holding back. There wasnt really any stake in this battle, so you cant blame her

I enjoy erza bs wins
My point is comparing laxus pof killed wahl (with huge possibility of wahl being weak to that attack) with erza pof overpowering irene top tier move (even gildarts doesnt have such feat)

Since you appreciated my last summary, hopefully you will appreciate this too (since i dont appreciate my own essay length response)
I have fought many laxus fans on this topic (mostly 3 or 5 to 1) and i have a list of reasons why so many people believe laxus to be on a different level than erza before now.
1) pre ts erza is around pre ts natsu level
2) mystogan sleep magic worked on erza but didnt work on laxus
3) laxus performanced better than entire team natsu against hades
4) laxus compared to gildarts in start of gmg
5) laxus beat jura, and jura can take mira and erza at the same time
6) laxus stomped tempester
7) laxus one shot ajeel
8) Laxus beat wahl with cancer and lightening immunity

Is this entire list? Do you have any other thing to add to show laxus was stronger than erza before this time skip.

You don’t seem to be doing that good a job leading either though. Cause that’s the wrong way my friend. Allow me to show you The Way

Well let’s start here. Explain to me why I need to give you more examples when your post is riddled with them? I mean, is there a special comparison you won’t ignore? I mean Hades taught Makarov what he knows about magic, and August is the world renowned Wizard King...

Well let’s make some important distinctions to avoid time wasting time with poor examples. If Erza fights them back to back, it’s a gauntlet. If she has time to rest catch her breath, and recover her magic, it’s simply not as impressive. So why would I find her facing a series of minions over the course of an arc, as impactful as Laxus fighting Wahl, and immediately turning around to face Hades? Why would I compare them to him putting down Kyria worth minimal effort, then turning around and dethroning Erza. There was no recovery time in these battles. He hasn’t even stood back up from catching his breath when Hades Confronts him. An he doesn’t have time to walk a few paces and destroy the Orb before Erza arrives and challenges him. These are what I mean by gauntlets. Back to back combatants, no breaks.

Would Erza have been well served by Laxus stomping her? Was it not enough that he whooped Natsu and Gajeel, and only lost due to circumstances? What purpose would that have served the story?

Erza is S class. She has every right to try it if she wants. That’s literally the only requirement. This is your comparison to Gildarts?

The trap that ended the fight can def be called suspect, but this is only a detractor from how badly he did her. The man had a totally different magic. The darkness magic was learned, a hobby. Everything outside of his heavenly body magic is. The man is a monster. Not sure how you missed that.

Laxus was able to take the attack and continue fighting. An her comment wasn’t reliant on just that comment, Laxus has just finished doing more damage to Hades than their entire team combined. An after granting Natsu all his magic, still tanked an attack that would have killed them (and was expected to kill him). Then came back to stop Hades rallying moment to initiate the final charge. His entire performance is why they didn’t die in there confrontation.

 

[Kouichi]

Do you guys think Wendy can enchant Mirajane's take overs out of her?

Would like an answer about this, also would question similarly on this. Do you think Bickslow can have her Satan souls imprisoned as Bickslow's puppets?

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Would like an answer about this, also would question similarly on this. Do you think Bickslow can have her Satan souls imprisoned as Bickslow's puppets?

If Wendy can use separation enchantment, she should be able to but might need someone to knock Mira out.

 

[grey matter]

@GL_Nova

I think your quotes are a bit off

 

[Clown from Argentina]

Power ranking in the manga where there is the power of feelings (Plotsu and Plotza who without this power are mediocre fighters / magicians with 0 actual feats/achievements).
yeah yeah yeah very interesting topic ()

 

[Axiomus]

Power ranking in the manga where there is the power of feelings (Plotsu and Plotza who without this power are mediocre fighters / magicians with 0 actual feats/achievements).
yeah yeah yeah very interesting topic ()

Even without POF Natsu and Erza are stronger than most characters.

 

[GL_Nova]

The entire message is lowkey off, when the moderator fixed it, the bottom was lost. (Thanks by the way) I was slick pissed my response got messed up, I’ve never had the sight do that. It like copied and repeated itself and cut off half my message

 

[Ratrace]

Even without POF Natsu and Erza are stronger than most characters.

They also get most of the important fights (especially Natsu)

 

[GL_Nova]

Hey @Rax you think Natsu can one-shot Laxus?

 

[Axiomus]

The entire message is lowkey off, when the moderator fixed it, the bottom was lost. (Thanks by the way) I was slick pissed my response got messed up, I’ve never had the sight do that. It like copied and repeated itself and cut off half my message

Yeah it looks like the server gave you a double post, and then one of the quote parameters decided not to work. I've tried my best to filter out Sharkai's response from yours, but I may have cut out a bit of your response in the process.

 

[GL_Nova]

Yeah it looks like the server gave you a double post, and then one of the quote parameters decided not to work. I've tried my best to filter out Sharkai's response from yours, but I may have cut out a bit of your response in the process.

No, you didn’t mess up anything. When it doubled up originally it cut my response in half. Thanks for trying to help

 

[Demon Hunter]

at this point, I'm a closet @sharkai fan

the fact that he puts Laxus on the same tier as Erza fills that void in my heart that I simply cry tears of joy

I just hope Erza doesn't wake up before Laxus because then