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MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10


Good Votes!
 
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Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween
 
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呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル
Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file
 
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I dunno man, I feel like the first page is SO similar to Black Clover that it's kind of insulting to Tabata tbh. Like I know Magic and Wizards is very universal and I'm too sleepy to properly argue my point, but something feels like this manga might become a thorn in Tabata's side, I hope not.
The first page's introduction has a good flow to it though.
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Jeez man your comments are getting more and more unified with your disturbing profile pic.
It's not like Tabata didn't get through BC's first year by nearly constant borderline plagiarism or anything (Hungry Joker also was just a hodgepodge of tropes and panels from other popular series)
I agree that it appears Mashle seems to lift from other things rather gratuitously at this point, however Tabata might be more guilty of that than any other Jump mangaka.


Profile pic is from Fassbinder's: The Third Generation.
 

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They may, but tough luck.
it was clearly laid out why this was happening, debated on within this very thread, and nobody other than Shinuki argued for that side. At this point, complaining about the rule now that it's in effect only affects forum unity and makes Buranchi's job harder.
No one actually complained though...
 

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I don’t participate in the voting or polls, but I don’t get why everyone can’t be included?

I mean, this is just a obscure forum about a manga, and it’s a poll that means absolutely nothing. What’s the big deal about letting new members participate. I don’t really care either way since I don’t even do it anyway, and I’ve been here for years. Just seems a bit elitist to me though
 

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I don’t participate in the voting or polls, but I don’t get why everyone can’t be included?

I mean, this is just a obscure forum about a manga, and it’s a poll that means absolutely nothing. What’s the big deal about letting new members participate. I don’t really care either way since I don’t even do it anyway, and I’ve been here for years. Just seems a bit elitist to me though
Because the purpose of the poll was to gauge the reception of the forum, not the general internet. If we just let everyone vote then what differentiates this from a twitter or reddit poll?
 

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I don’t participate in the voting or polls, but I don’t get why everyone can’t be included?

I mean, this is just a obscure forum about a manga, and it’s a poll that means absolutely nothing. What’s the big deal about letting new members participate. I don’t really care either way since I don’t even do it anyway, and I’ve been here for years. Just seems a bit elitist to me though
Respectfully disagree.
A good portion of the members here read most of the series in the magazine and it gives an idea of how a series or chapter is generally received here. People coming in, making accounts and voting for their fav series every week even if that series had a terrible chapter kinda defeats the purpose.

I don't vote (think I voted once to see how it worked) since I don't read any manga right now (aside from Kingdom) due to lack of time but I could've easily just voted for OP every week since I have an attachment with OP having followed it for a decade. But I do check the results to see how a series is being generally perceived here.
 
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It's not like Tabata didn't get through BC's first year by nearly constant borderline plagiarism or anything (Hungry Joker also was just a hodgepodge of tropes and panels from other popular series)
I agree that it appears Mashle seems to lift from other things rather gratuitously at this point, however Tabata might be more guilty of that than any other Jump mangaka.


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Plagiarism? The first chapter of black clover is basically Naruto but the opposite.
 

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Because the purpose of the poll was to gauge the reception of the forum, not the general internet. If we just let everyone vote then what differentiates this from a twitter or reddit poll?
Respectfully disagree.
A good portion of the members here read most of the series in the magazine and it gives an idea of how a series or chapter is generally received here. People coming in, making accounts and voting for their fav series every week even if that series had a terrible chapter kinda defeats the purpose.

I don't vote (think I voted once to see how it worked) since I don't read any manga right now (aside from Kingdom) due to lack of time but I could've easily just voted for OP every week since I have an attachment with OP having followed it for a decade. But I do check the results to see how a series is being generally perceived here.
If that’s the main concern, I just personally don’t believe that significant amount of people are coming here from other places of the Internet just to vote in our pole. I’m sure maybe a few, but not enough to really make a major difference.
 

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I’m sure maybe a few, but not enough to really make a major difference.
They are, which is why I brought this to everyone's attention in the first place. The 1st and 2nd position were definitely being manipulated by new no-post accounts.
 

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If that’s the main concern, I just personally don’t believe that significant amount of people are coming here from other places of the Internet just to vote in our pole. I’m sure maybe a few, but not enough to really make a major difference.
But with the small userbase we have, even a couple counterfeit votes can/will afffect the results to a noticeable degree
 

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It's not like Tabata didn't get through BC's first year by nearly constant borderline plagiarism or anything (Hungry Joker also was just a hodgepodge of tropes and panels from other popular series)
I agree that it appears Mashle seems to lift from other things rather gratuitously at this point, however Tabata might be more guilty of that than any other Jump mangaka.


Profile pic is from Fassbinder's: The Third Generation.
Not worth my time to bicker, my point is that it seems very easy for Mashle to poke fun at Black Clover directly or write about things that make the content of Black Clover seem un-serious, and if that happens, I will be displeased. That is what I have to say on the matter.
 

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They are, which is why I brought this to everyone's attention in the first place. The 1st and 2nd position were definitely being manipulated by new no-post accounts.
Aaaah I see. Nevermind then
 

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Aaaah I see. Nevermind then
To give you guys an example, there's currently 17 voters who voted for One Piece who don't meet the criteria of one month old accounts with at least 30 posts. There's 40 votes in total for One Piece currently.

THAT'S ALMOST HALF THE VOTES!
 

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Not to mention, as we discovered last night; these vote restrictions actually have a great hidden upside in increasing activity in this thread. Clearly people want to take part in these polls and this requirement gives them the push they need to switch from being lurkers to active posters.
 

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We Hogwarts now. I'm from Gryffindor, how about you all.

I dunno man, I feel like the first page is SO similar to Black Clover that it's kind of insulting to Tabata tbh. Like I know Magic and Wizards is very universal and I'm too sleepy to properly argue my point, but something feels like this manga might become a thorn in Tabata's side, I hope not.
The first page's introduction has a good flow to it though.
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its actually a common thrope that is populair in japan, its a coincidence cuz hes a harry potter fan + hyper muscline is mostly seen as a gag in japan. i do agree its a slight shotfire against BC, but that alone proofs that bc made an new wave just like how mha is for zipman. btw tabata wouldnt care lmao, its all for funnniez
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It's not like Tabata didn't get through BC's first year by nearly constant borderline plagiarism or anything (Hungry Joker also was just a hodgepodge of tropes and panels from other popular series)
I agree that it appears Mashle seems to lift from other things rather gratuitously at this point, however Tabata might be more guilty of that than any other Jump mangaka.


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mwua, its rather a love letter for the shonen mangas he grew up. he wouldnt regret or feel guilty at all cuz he doesnt have to. Also he had do something to catch people attention of his previous flops so yeh..
 
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With how cutthroat WSJ is, can you guys blame Tabata for playing it extremely safe? He had already experienced cancellation before, and I'm sure that effected him.
 

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I just hope the gag manga don't keep cannibalising each other.

It's also interesting to see all of them now specifically seem to go for a setting with fighting potential, Mitama's done a couple quick battles that weren't entirely gags (and of course they all have special powers), Agravity Boys doesn't have anything yet but has clearly set up stuff for a potential genre shift with the mechs and devices, and of course muscles in a magical world is inherently action-related.

I suppose we don't even have a gag-action niche filled out anymore though since Gintama left so jump probably wants that position to come back too.
 

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its actually a common thrope that is populair in japan, its a coincidence cuz hes a harry potter fan + hyper muscline is seen as gag. i do agree its a slight shotfire against BC, but that alone proofs that bc made an new wave just like how mha is for zipman. btw tabata wouldnt care lmao, its all for funnniez
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mwua, its rather a love letter for the shonen manga he grew up. he wouldnt regret or feel guilty at all cuz he doesnt have to. Also he had do something to catch people attention of his previous flops so yeh..
Tabata's previous series Hungry Joker had all the same problems as early Black Clover so I don't understand the argument that Black Clover did something differently to catch readers attention.

Also, you can make a love letter to the manga you grew up on without lazy nostalgia wanking/lifting. Jujutsu Kaisen is every bit as generic as Black Clover, yet you can tell a lot more thought and passion went into the former.
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With how cutthroat WSJ is, can you guys blame Tabata for playing it extremely safe? He had already experienced cancellation before, and I'm sure that effected him.
Hungry Joker was just as safe and lazy though?
 

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It's also interesting to see all of them now specifically seem to go for a setting with fighting potential
I know CSM isn't gag, but it's definitely action comedy. So it's not just gag that's targeting that kind of thing. It's something that seems to work really well in general, regardless of genre.

Hungry Joker was just as safe and lazy though?
It's been so long since I've read it that I can't even really remember enough to counter this. Wasn't there a higher focus on science?
 
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