Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

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MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10


Good Votes!
 
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Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

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Jump Editor In Chief and executives at a business dinner realizing they have to call Gondaira to hold off his already scheduled axe to continue the story after seeing it actually sold well

You think that’s bad, imagine the author realizing that he’s gonna have to come up with a way to keep the story going after I’ve thought he would be axed. XD

Realistically, what series do you see getting axed over the next couple months? Normally the answer to such a question would be obvious, but I thought about it, and my only surefire bet would be Zipman. Maybe Samurai 8, I guess, but that has Kishi’s name behind it, which should mean something.
 

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Didn't RxL sell more and it still got axed? For all we know Yokazura might make it to 3-4 volumes before it gets the axe because it doesn't grow or even fell in sales with future volumes.
 

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Didn't RxL sell more and it still got axed? For all we know Yokazura might make it to 3-4 volumes before it gets the axe because it doesn't grow or even fell in sales with future volumes.
From what I know RxL got axed because the sales were stagnating and not increasing. If Yozakura’s sales happen to grow I doubt it will get axed even with lower sales
 

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Didn't RxL sell more and it still got axed? For all we know Yokazura might make it to 3-4 volumes before it gets the axe because it doesn't grow or even fell in sales with future volumes.
Of course, while these numbers + the reprint make it look like Yozakura seem pretty safe for the time being, it's still only a starting point, if nothing changes, it'll probably be axed at some point.
 

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Why everyone dissing yozakura, imo volume 1 and volume 3 are good
 

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Yozakura Family Vol 1 and Dr. Stone Vol 14 reprints scheduled for March 3.

2/12特別重版

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3月3日出来 ジャンプコミックス 『Dr.STONE 14』 Boichi/稲垣 理一郎

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3月3日出来 ジャンプコミックス 『夜桜さんちの大作戦 1』 権平 ひつじ
Yozakura reprint? We’re done out here Mitamabros :emocat

Goodnight sweet prince we hardly knew thee
 

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Yozakura Family Vol 1 and Dr. Stone Vol 14 reprints scheduled for March 3.

2/12特別重版

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3月3日出来 ジャンプコミックス 『Dr.STONE 14』 Boichi/稲垣 理一郎

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3月3日出来 ジャンプコミックス 『夜桜さんちの大作戦 1』 権平 ひつじ
This isn't a 100% win for me only because Mitama underperfomed but i'm really happy for Gondaira, selling around 11k/10k copies in 6 days and already getting a reprint, the irony after all the talk as if the series was already dead kkkk, now it needs to keep growing but we will probably see the manga rising in the toc soon like Chainsaw Man after the release of volume 1, but the good sales and reprint makes the lack of a color page alongside Mitama even more weird, it's like they didn't have a idea that the manga would perform well despite printing at least double of what they printed for Mitama, or they knew and wanted to try and help Mitama instead, anyway, i still don't think Mitama is in danger at all at the moment and it's a relief seeing Yozakura doing well :super
 
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Ya know, to put things into perspective...

Mission: Yozakura Family has a very good chance of becoming the biggest new success since fucking Chainsawman.

Just... I find that really weird. Nothing against the series, but it's...been a while, I guess.
 

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I mean, good for him, if only the manga would start to be good, that would probably improve its image.
 

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I mean, good for him, if only the manga would start to be good, that would probably improve its image.
Thats really contradictory, improve its image where? if the manga is being reprinted because the demand, it means the series has a good "image" with Japanese readers.
 

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I mean, good for him, if only the manga would start to be good, that would probably improve its image.
Its getting good right now in this arc
 

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Looking at the sales estimatives/values and the general reaction to them, I can only feel like we're lowering the bar more and more as new series come in.
You know, it's perfectly fine liking underperforming series (Well, I kind of like U19). But should we deny the reality these series are not really succeeding just because we like them?
Not so long ago, we were mocking the 30k club and now suddenly we are treating 10k sales like success and the next big hit. SMH.

Digital sales are not factible arguments unless we have real numbers about this.
 
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Eh, I mean, I'm a little surprised at Yozakura's performance, but I won't make a big deal out of it, try to figure out a reason behind it or be very surprised. It just happened that people liked it. Jump having a success which I don't like is just a fact of life, there's no point getting annoyed by it. The sad part is Mitama underperforming, but I still have a little bit of hope. The ToC today (it is today, right?) should be really important for the series, I think.
 

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Looking at the sales estimatives/values and the general reaction to them, I can only feel like we're lowering the bar more and more as new series come in.
You know, it's perfectly fine liking underperforming series (Well, I kind of like U19). But should we deny the reality these series are not really succeeding just because we like them?
Not so long ago, we were mocking the 30k club and now suddenly we are treating 10k sales like success and the next big hit. SMH.

Digital sales are not factible arguments unless we have real numbers about this.
The thing is that isn't really we lowering the bar, is more like the industry isn't the same like before, Shonen Jump is pratically the only current magazine that would still consider canceling a new series that sell 10k in 6 days just because toc positions, in any of the other shounen magazines doing that would be more than enough to secure a place for a while or more than a year and even SJ is already being impacted by this as we can see with series that years ago would be considered as a flop with their numbers for the first volume but at the current standards were considered as potential popular series like Yaiba, Act-Age, CSM and etc, these mentioned series already had lower sales for Jump "old" standards, also i don't see anyone considering Yozakura as a hit but that is selling good taking in count everything that was released since Chainsaw Man (excluding S8).
 

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The thing is that isn't really we lowering the bar, is more like the industry isn't the same like before, Shonen Jump is pratically the only current magazine that would still consider canceling a new series that sell 10k in 6 days just because toc positions, in any of the other shounen magazines doing that would be more than enough to secure a place for a while or more than a year and even SJ is already being impacted by this as we can see with series that years ago would be considered as a flop with their numbers for the first volume but at the current standards were considered as potential popular series like Yaiba, Act-Age, CSM and etc, these mentioned series already had lower sales for Jump "old" standards, also i don't see anyone considering Yozakura as a hit but that is selling good taking in count everything that was released since Chainsaw Man (excluding S8).
I mean, the ultimate reason behind deciding if a series lives or dies is a matter of profitability. Robot x Laserbeam was running circles around Act-Age for example, but it still got cancelled because the sales showed zero growth, the reception was weak, and it was clear that any popularity it had was because of Fujimaki's own fanbase. The series died because it was judged Jump itself wasn't able to capitalize on it. Same goes for Samurai 8 and its reception.
 

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Monthly Sales by Series - 12/30~02/02

#1 Kimetsu no Yaiba - 7,273,164
#2 One Piece - 1,120,282
#3 Gotoubun no Hanayome - 1,107,046
#4 The Promised Neverland - 936,433
#5 Haikyuu!! - 723,759
#6 Spy x Family - 683,692
#7 My Hero Academia - 649,756
#8 Jujutsu Kaisen - 627,817
#9 Jibaku Shounen Hanako-kun - 521,339
#10 Kaguya-sama: Love is War - 418,348
#11 Fire Force - 411,219
#12 Mairimashita! Iruma-kun - 365,715
#13 Kingdom - 305,644
#14 Darwin's Game - 291,843
#15 Black Clover - 270,212
#16 March Comes in Like a Lion - 266,250
#17 Yuru Camp - 250,732
#18 Kuroshitsuji - 245,570
#19 Shingeki no Kyojin - 232,325
#20 Dr. Stone - 220,462

Monthly Profit by Series - 12/30~02/02

#1 Kimetsu no Yaiba
#2 Gotoubun no Hanayome
#3 Love Live!
#4 One Piece
#5 Fate Series
#6 Haikyuu!!
#7 The Promised Neverland
#8 My Hero Academia
#9 BanG Dream!
#10 Jibaku Shounen Hanako-kun
#11 Spy x Family
#12 Jujutsu Kaisen
#13 Kaguya-sama: Love is War
#14 The Idolm@aster Series
#15 Touken Ranbu
#16 Joker
#17 Pokemon
#18 Detective Conan
#19 Kamen Rider Series
#20 Fire Force

Monthly Sales by Volume 12/30~02/02


#1 One Piece 95 - 873,100
#2 The Promised Neverland 17 - 520,156
#3 Haikyuu!! 41 - 458,021
#4 Gotoubun no Hanayome 13 - 450,299
#5 Spy x Family 3 - 439,604
#6 Kimetsu no Yaiba 15 - 418,968
#7 Kimetsu no Yaiba 16 - 415,581
#8 Kimetsu no Yaiba 14 - 410,375
#9 Kimetsu no Yaiba 12 - 410,040
#10 Kimetsu no Yaiba 13 - 409,720
#11 Kimetsu no Yaiba 18 - 404,535
#12 Kimetsu no Yaiba 4 - 404,529
#13 Kimetsu no Yaiba 7 - 403,016
#14 Kimetsu no Yaiba 17 - 402,747
#15 Kimetsu no Yaiba 11 - 401,486
#16 Kimetsu no Yaiba 6 - 401,102
#17 Kimetsu no Yaiba 5 - 401,063
#18 Kimetsu no Yaiba 1 - 399,556
#19 Kimetsu no Yaiba 2 - 398,805
#20 Kimetsu no Yaiba 10 -398,141
 
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Not so long ago, we were mocking the 30k club and now suddenly we are treating 10k sales like success and the next big hit. SMH.

Digital sales are not factible arguments unless we have real numbers about this.
Screw you. I never dissed 30k club. When will they be back? When will someone carry Hinomaru's legacy? :notlikethis
 

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The thing is that isn't really we lowering the bar, is more like the industry isn't the same like before, Shonen Jump is pratically the only current magazine that would still consider canceling a new series that sell 10k in 6 days just because toc positions, in any of the other shounen magazines doing that would be more than enough to secure a place for a while or more than a year and even SJ is already being impacted by this as we can see with series that years ago would be considered as a flop with their numbers for the first volume but at the current standards were considered as potential popular series like Yaiba, Act-Age, CSM and etc, these mentioned series already had lower sales for Jump "old" standards, also i don't see anyone considering Yozakura as a hit but that is selling good taking in count everything that was released since Chainsaw Man (excluding S8).
I agree with you when you say the standards are changing and the drop in the sales is expected. But using this same comparison with SJ and other magazines, I think I can clarify my point: 10k is 6 days sure is enough to make a series have a long life in another magazines, but at what expense? I mean, about half of Shonen Sunday (for example) is fodder content which generates nearly no buzz. I just don't like the idea of SJ going that same way.


Screw you. I never dissed 30k club. When will they be back? When will someone carry Hinomaru's legacy? :notlikethis
Haha, dancing midgets was a funny series too.
 
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