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MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10


Good Votes!
 
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Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween
 
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The main problem of GotW is that it's a prime example of "tell, don't show".

A clear example is in chapter 3. You could've had a scene with the camouflaged evil scene where the group was just chilling and suddendly the monster ambushes them, but nope, you get the MC killing it and then the manga throws you an exposition dump telling you it was camouflaged.

It's just a poor way to do it. Also I can't say the dialogues are very strong, although maybe that's partially the translator's fault, I don't know.
 

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The name of this is shonen, 80% of manga of this type use this cliché. It is not all the manga that is a deconstruction of the battle shonen.
Even the UxU that you are seeing as revolutionary has its clichés.
That's true, it got its clichés like any other WSJ series as well. But it does some things differently, like having a female MC trying to commit suicide in ch.1 after finishing her Shoujo series with its 101 volumes. Or Andy being a selfish MC unlike most WSJ Mcs which are selfless.

I don't read Act Age but im curious; does the series have strong females (character wise)? Or at least strong compared to most WSJ series?
I'd like to know the answer to that question as well. Act-age is one I'd like to try.
To answer the first question: Very much so with Kei and Chiyoko being the center pieces of the story. Kei who is immensely talented with zero acting education and Chiyoko who got no talent but has an incredible amount of hardwork put into her acting education that she seems like a genius. Another quite prominent female character would be Akira's mother who is basically talent + hard work put into acting and who had suffered due it. The female characters all act on their own desires, beliefs and dreams/goals and not because some male guy is here and there or such crap. Actually I have yet to see one of the main female characters express a romantic interest in anyone, if anything it gets played as a gag sometimes like between Kei and Akira "We are not a couple.". XD
It is all about growing as a person, as an actor (ability-wise) and much experience can form somebody's beliefs and expectations, like Kei finding safety in her acting to escape her dreaded fears of "disappearing" or "forgetting how to smile" or Chiyoko realizing that people only see and want to see her as an "Angel" despite her being as imperfect and full of doubt as anyone else.
So yeah, I'd say it got some really strong females character wise.
As compared to most WSJ Series if I had to answer with a simple yes it would look like this:
YES! Well, dang it can't write it bigger than that...

Something my problem with UxU it is literally other chainsawman with immortal MC.
Well, that's not really quite fair considering that all Devilmen in CSM are "immortal" meaning they can survive gruesome and deadly wounds as long as they got blood to recover.

I think not.

Chainsaw man is much more than an immortal who fights to squeeze some breasts.
The characters have a good construction and there is something minimalist in the manga.
Lol, Denji totally wants to squeeze some boobies. I mean, it was the very reason he fought a couple battles for. XDDD
And for Andy squeezing boobies ain't the goal it's the means to reach his goal.
 

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The main problem of GotW is that it's a prime example of "tell, don't show".

A clear example is in chapter 3. You could've had a scene with the camouflaged evil scene where the group was just chilling and suddendly the monster ambushes them, but nope, you get the MC killing it and then the manga throws you an exposition dump telling you it was camouflaged.

It's just a poor way to do it. Also I can't say the dialogues are very strong, although maybe that's partially the translator's fault, I don't know.
I thought that part was fine, since it's only the third chapter. You'd need a little bit of exposition in those early chapters to set-up some of the world building. But you also need to pace them out evenly and gradually. Either that, or maybe you'd prefer something like S8? That said, GoTW is, for lack of a better word, boring. From a technical standpoint, the author's fundamentals are passable, at least. Hopefully, he'll take this experience so he can better improve his next product.
 

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I liked Yozakura this week. It feels like the manga learned from it’s mistakes early on.
do you guys think it is too late to avoid cancellation?

considering the magazine has “worse” mangas.. (I am looking at you mashle, s8 and zipman). I hope yozakura survives.
 

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I thought that part was fine, since it's only the third chapter. You'd need a little bit of exposition in those early chapters to set-up some of the world building. But you also need to pace them out evenly and gradually. Either that, or maybe you'd prefer something like S8? That said, GoTW is, for lack of a better word, boring. From a technical standpoint, the author's fundamentals are passable, at least. Hopefully, he'll take this experience so he can better improve his next product.
You can have exposition, but you can do it in multiple ways.

In my example the reader still gets the message that evils can camouflage, but he sees it instead of getting this shitty textual explanation of what happened. The scene would've felt natural and more engaging, but the way the author chose to do it it just doesn't feel like anything, it's not even a scene.
 

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That's true, it got its clichés like any other WSJ series as well. But it does some things differently, like having a female MC trying to commit suicide in ch.1 after finishing her Shoujo series with its 101 volumes. Or Andy being a selfish MC unlike most WSJ Mcs which are selfless.

a protagonist tries to kill himself in the first chapter, it also happens on platinum end, man.

And Andy being selfish is also not new, the protagonist of oamagadoke zoo (Horikoshi's first manga) was also like that, he just wasn't a pedophile.
 

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The thing about Witch having powers for the sake of powers without boundaries is a good point. The rules and restrictions are what make powers interesting, when anyone can just do whatever then a lot of battles feel rather arbitrary, since why not just go all out from the start? If they make fireballs big enough to destroy an entire army instantly for example, why would they ever struggle against one guy just punching hard except for 'because the plot said so'?

With UxU there's a specific system to the powers, they can be used in many ways but you have a core rule to each one that's easy to wrap your head around and gives you idea of what they can do in a fight (and you can theorise about future growth). Plus when they can just do whatever the plot says, it takes away from the sense of creativity you get compared to seeing a character using the rules of their powers in an interesting way like Andy using his undead high-speed regeneration to fire his hands at someone like a gun, or having to look around and figure out what object MC's unlucky power is most likely to affect.

It's like a battle shounen version of soft magic vs hard magic. Soft magic doesn't really work well on a main character or battle series, it's good for making a world feel mysterious and whimsical and making characters appear like gods, but it's difficult to have frequent fights be fun when readers don't know how their powers even work. If you want frequent action and the main character to have magic, hard magic (magic with rules and restrictions to how it works) is a lot more engaging.
 

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I'm saying it because Act-Age is a critically acclaimed manga with a female protagonist and has an also female rival who many argue is the best in current Jump. Asking if it has "strong female characters" is kind of a silly question.
Silly statement.
Plenty of manga and anime out there with female leads who are weak or poorly done.

WSJ in particular isn't known for representing strong female characters
 

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WSJ in particular isn't known for representing strong female characters
And that's why people keep saying the series doesn't fit in the magazine, because they can't even begin to think about a shonen series with a well-built female lead whose dream is about acting, not becoming a magic king or fight monsters.
 

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I thought that part was fine, since it's only the third chapter. You'd need a little bit of exposition in those early chapters to set-up some of the world building. But you also need to pace them out evenly and gradually. Either that, or maybe you'd prefer something like S8? That said, GoTW is, for lack of a better word, boring. From a technical standpoint, the author's fundamentals are passable, at least. Hopefully, he'll take this experience so he can better improve his next product.
For me, the real problem was ch.2 which was basically just a retelling of what happened in ch.1 and what the future goal is which was already clear in ch.1 and escaping the city. That's it. An entire chapter that just repeated stuff from its prior chapter and had a dragged out escape.

a protagonist tries to kill himself in the first chapter, it also happens on platinum end, man.

And Andy being selfish is also not new, the protagonist of oamagadoke zoo (Horikoshi's first manga) was also like that, he just wasn't a pedophile.
PE was not in WSJ. In WSJ you don't have that many suicidal MCs or start the series with one of the Main Cast saying "alright, time to end my life". As for Oamagadoke while it was in WSJ the MC was selfish in his reasoning to protect his Zoo animal friends aka fake selfishness, it was all about others. Andy really wants to die, he got no way of doing so till he meet Izumo and hell will rather freeze over before he lets anything happen to her due that reason that is all about himself. He is proper selfish, similar to Denji who also doesn't give a hoot about other people and their worries and what not and is more about living his own life to the fullest with good food, sex and freedom. Right now the latter two are a problem to get but 1/3 of the road is better than 0 or hell 0 would even be better then the situation Denji was in before he became a Devilman.
Also I have no idea how Andy is a pedophile. Izumo is 18 and we have yet to see an actual child in the cast though I am sure we gonna get to see an UMA child or more someday in the future given Izumo had her power manifest at the age of 8.
 

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And that's why people keep saying the series doesn't fit in the magazine, because they can't even begin to think about a shonen series with a well-built female lead whose dream is about acting, not becoming a magic king or fight monsters.
Do they?
You guys must realize that people who dont follow a series are inclined to ignore most random comments that are made about it unless that comment is a big topic for discussion.

The only series I've constantly seen being mentioned as unconventional for WSJ has been CSM because CSM does a lot of weird, gore things that drives talk and discussion.

In any case, the main reason I asked is because about a year or more ago we had a debate on the forum about which series has had the best female characters in WSJ. So was curious to know what the general thoughts on Act Age female characters are.

General series critical acclaim means fuck all in WSJ especially with regards to female character representation.
 

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I'm almost caught up to the latest Act-Age chapter (am at 89), and I daresay it's some of the best stuff I've read in recent memory. It feels so unique, yet the Jump-style is still subtly there it's just refreshing in so many ways. (And I'm enchanted by the way Shiro-sensei draws eyes too...)

This, Jujutsu Kaisen and Chainsaw Man offer very special spins on the way they use the Manga medium. JJK's fight sequences suck you in, CSM's experimental angles and its whole crazy atmosphere, Act-Age's storytelling (which I don't know how to express but it gets me so darn invested, it's only been a day of binging!)

I can see why these three series not only survived, but are flourishing.
 
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(And I'm enchanted by the way Shiro-sensei draws eyes too...)
Another thing that stood out were the eyes of the character. For some reason every time I see the lead female of Act Age in a CP, I'm really drawn into her eyes.
Which I think is important given the type of manga its supposed to be.

Alright, maybe Act Age will be my next series along with CSM.
 

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They're the two most un-WSJ-like series in the magazine currently, so that's a good call.

You should also check out Spy x Family as well, even though it's not in WSJ.
SxF is definitely on my list since I want to see what the buzz is all about.

But one of the main reasons I kinda stopped following newer WSJ manga was because everything just felt like a rehash of an already established cliche or setting. Probably just me, personally.
So seeing people call Act Age and CSM unconventional for WSJ is definitely what intrigues me. I've read a bit of CSM when it came out, so I have an idea of what its like.
 

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For me, the real problem was ch.2 which was basically just a retelling of what happened in ch.1 and what the future goal is which was already clear in ch.1 and escaping the city. That's it. An entire chapter that just repeated stuff from its prior chapter and had a dragged out escape.
I kinda think that was due to the author's fault for not planning out the chapter well enough. He could've combined 1&2 together, that I agree with. But for some reason, he couldn't. He's still a newbie though, so I'm kind of lenient towards him. It's the next three chapters that's going to determine how he's going to handle the series from there on.

They're the two most un-WSJ-like series in the magazine currently, so that's a good call.

You should also check out Spy x Family as well, even though it's not in WSJ.
To this day, I still wonder what SxF could've done for the weekly magazine's brand. Along with Kimetsu, WSJ could finally market a new "Big 3", to its audiences.
 

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To this day, I still wonder what SxF could've done for the weekly magazine's brand. Along with Kimetsu, WSJ could finally market a new "Big 3", to its audiences.
Kimetsu will end soon tho and a year ago, it wasn't looking like a "pillar" category manga to WSJ. Plus, SxF success was needed for Jump+

My guess is CSM and JK have the potential to be the next big things or pillars for WSJ. JK is already selling a lot pre-anime.
CSM is stirring up talk and discussions and has been growing in sales as well.
OP will still continue to be the face of WSJ until its end.

MHA will still be up there but I can see it declining (sales and reception wise) as time goes on and becoming a respected veteran series once newer ones pass it in sales like JK and CSM.
 

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I kinda think that was due to the author's fault for not planning out the chapter well enough. He could've combined 1&2 together, that I agree with. But for some reason, he couldn't. He's still a newbie though, so I'm kind of lenient towards him. It's the next three chapters that's going to determine how he's going to handle the series from there on.



To this day, I still wonder what SxF could've done for the weekly magazine's brand. Along with Kimetsu, WSJ could finally market a new "Big 3", to its audiences.
See, I’m not sure about that. Spy x Family did really well on Jump+, but I’m not sure if it would’ve achieved the same success if it was running in the magazine proper. It might, but it might not - really depends on how different the audiences are that primarily read each. I feel like if Shueisha thought it would do well in the magazine, they might’ve considered moving it there considering the weird state it’s currently in, but the manga’s kind of been the face of Jump+ for a while now.

Either way, it’s an absolutely massive win for Jump+. I’m sure Jump will find another major hit sooner or later, whether it’s be one of their existing serializations or something entirely new. It’s kind of what they do.
 

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See, I’m not sure about that. Spy x Family did really well on Jump+, but I’m not sure if it would’ve achieved the same success if it was running in the magazine proper. It might, but it might not - really depends on how different the audiences are that primarily read each. I feel like if Shueisha thought it would do well in the magazine, they might’ve considered moving it there considering the weird state it’s currently in, but the manga’s kind of been the face of Jump+ for a while now.

Either way, it’s an absolutely massive win for Jump+. I’m sure Jump will find another major hit sooner or later, whether it’s be one of their existing serializations or something entirely new. It’s kind of what they do.
Im pretty sure the fact of the series being biweekly plays a lot into what the series can actually offer and what could not if its schedule were weekly.
 
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