Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Axiomus]

The exact quote is probably from the anime but I don't feel like searching if its in the manga right now. But logically fusion magic wouldn't be such a big deal if the same result could be reached by just having two mages simultaneously fire their attacks.

And even if you want to attribute half of the power of natsu's final attack as POF, the rest is the fusion and that's a massive boost from what they were doing prior. Literally went from not being able to scratch the guy to a oneshot.

I don't care about low diff high diff or max diff. All I was saying is that the attacks that natsu did in LFD on tenrou can't scale to tenrou laxus because him alone could not have produced that much power. It's only cause the flames and lightning were mixed together that the LFD roar was that strong.

How is it any different from Natsu and Gajeel combining roars, or Natsu, Gajeel, and Wendy combining roars during Edolas? Sting and Rogue performed a White Shadow Dragon Silk against Jiemma, each by just using their own element. This attack isn't really an unison raid, as their magics never even touched each other. This attack is better than their Holy Shadow Flash Fang, which is their actual unison raid.

I don't only see Natsu as being significantly boosted (by both POF and Wendy's enchantment), but also Acnologia as being significantly nerfed. If all it takes is for Wendy to enchant everyone's power into Natsu for them to oneshot an Acnologia tier, then she should be doing this all the time. Heck, the 7 dragon slayers can just form their own guild and just take over the world.

That's fair, but the vast majority of the MP that LFD Natsu was using was Laxus' mp. Don't you think if that same MP was used in Laxus' best attack, like say Fairy Law, it would produce similar results? Even if it's not quite as strong, don't you think they would be in the same ballpark?

It's one thing to say Mira>Gray but Gajeel and Mira are equal 100%. Her having s class doesn't matter anymore since a lot of people are s class at this point.

I wouldn't go so far as to say Gajeel is on the same level as Mirajane (he's probably on Gray's level tbh), but Laxus and Erza constantly have OP showings. Mirajane needs OP showings of her own in order to be put on their level. Her showings this arc is pretty average. Playing around with Lucy, stalemating Skullion with no conclusion, and losing to Gray high diff is decent....But it's not amazing.

 

[Aurelius]

She did not as Lisanna was around to see her fight, and she holds back when people fight, besides she was weakened at that point, she protected Lisanna in base form without dying from his explosion

Dude what? After Lisanna was trapped, Mira was clearly enraged and serious, going for the kill/knock out, while Azuma was smiling. Then she launched a huge blast at him which he casually blocked. The only time Azuma sweated was when Mira went back to Lisanna.

 

[WoWfan]

Even if she was going all out that time (which is a contradiction), Mira was already weakened at that point and could not muster her full strength

 

[Aurelius]

She said she couldn’t keep using Satan Soul over and over, so there was a limit on how long she could be in that form, that doesn’t make mean her blows and blasts would be weakened. Also she wasn’t hurt significantly by any means either. If anything the anger she felt should’ve boosted her further, but that was not the case

 

[Aurelius]

I wouldn't go so far as to say Gajeel is on the same level as Mirajane (he's probably on Gray's level tbh), but Laxus and Erza constantly have OP showings. Mirajane needs OP showings of her own in order to be put on their level. Her showings this arc is pretty average. Playing around with Lucy, stalemating Skullion with no conclusion, and losing to Gray high diff is decent....But it's not amazing.

You could argue that they’re on the same level really. After tenrou, Gajeel took down Rogue enhanced by future rogue, beat one of the nine demons, took down Bradman, and evenly fought base Natsu. Mira took down Seilah, Jacob, even though that fight was BS just like stalemating Skullion, but it happened. Not much separation in my eyes

 

[WoWfan]

She said that she doesn think her magic is going to hold out, and that she doesn’t have enough strength left, she could not do this as she was at that moment, so she was weakened already

 

[Vis]

She did not as Lisanna was around to see her fight, and she holds back when people fight, besides she was weakened at that point, she protected Lisanna in base form without dying from his explosion

Just a yes or no question: Do you think Mirajane held back when Lisanna was held hostage by Azuma, even though it may be reducing her chances of saving her life, simply because she said something vague about it literally almost 300 chapters ago?
Even though she said so herself that she would not be able to beat Azuma with her magical power?

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[Axiomus]

When the roars combine it's shown to be much more powerful than when they just fire them separately. Natsu and Gajeel didn't do a unison raid as their roars weren't shown to combine. An example of their roars combining is like here on edolas

and the result is massive.

also did Sting and rogue use the Holy Shadow Flash Fang on Jiemma? How can you know the Dragon silk is more effective?

The only Nerf acno had was him being immobile due to his motion sickness. Nothing happened to his durability so the attack had to be stronger than him in order to do that much damage. Also Why would the dragon slayers want to do that? If you are asking why they don't just do that to beat all their enemies, well for one Wendy only learned to do that in the last arc, and 2 it's too op so mashima won't let them do it often. Same reason Wendy doesn't just eat air all the time and have constant supply of mp. Hell If they actually wanted to Wendy could enchat dragon slaying magic into a whole bunch of lacrima and give them to everyone in the guild making an army of second gen dragon slayers. But that doesn't happen cause it would be too broken.

Not really. Not saying it wouldn't be impressive but since there's more at play than simply addition of magic power when it comes to fusion, You can't just say laxus had more mp in there so he should scale it. Look at the attack above. At the time none of those three could produce an attack even close to that one, but because they fused their attacks it grew massively in power. Also an attack like fairy law works differently than something like a roar so it wouldn't even be possible to compare their damage out (fairy law doesn't really have much collateral)

That combined roar wasn't an unision raid either, and Natsu and Gajeel did combine roars.

They did not use Flash Fang for Jiemma, and WSD Silk is more effective because Flash Fang can't even beat base Natsu.

Acnologia was unable to use magic as well because the spell he was preparing simply disappeared.

That's no excuse though, because she's already enchanting Natsu and Gray's powers into swords. Or Erza learned it, and she's doing it. So why wouldn't Wendy at least enchant the 4 dragon slayers in the guild with each other's powers?

 

[WoWfan]

Whether she did or not is irrelevant because she was not at her full strength anyway during the fight, it is not vague when she literally states it, even in a perfect situation to not hold back anyway

 

[Aurelius]

She said that she doesn think her magic is going to hold out, and that she doesn’t have enough strength left, she could not do this as she was at that moment, so she was weakened already

Yes she said her magic wasn’t going to hold out for long, but that doesn’t mean her attacks or punches will be weakened at all, just that she has a timer in that form. After she blasted him, she literally said that was her full power and admitted he was too strong. She only said she didn’t have enough strength after that not before the fight. So in conclusion she went all out boosted by anger. She was not beating him under any circumstance.

 

[LaGOAT]

The exact quote is probably from the anime but I don't feel like searching if its in the manga right now. But logically fusion magic wouldn't be such a big deal if the same result could be reached by just having two mages simultaneously fire their attacks.

And even if you want to attribute half of the power of natsu's final attack as POF, the rest is the fusion and that's a massive boost from what they were doing prior. Literally went from not being able to scratch the guy to a oneshot.

I don't care about low diff high diff or max diff. All I was saying is that the attacks that natsu did in LFD on tenrou can't scale to tenrou laxus because him alone could not have produced that much power. It's only cause the flames and lightning were mixed together that the LFD roar was that strong.

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A fresh laxus probably could solo an injured team natsu, same way if Sting had chosen to fight he could have beat an injured team ft in gmg. Magic exhaustion is no joke and coming right of tough fights against the 7 kin of purgatory, of course they aren't gonna be able to individually produce any attack that could work on someone like hades. Only attack that had effect was the unison raid.
Also the tenrou tree was still down during their first exchange. It had only come back up after hades' heart was destroyed, and then everyone including laxus hit him with their attacks.

basically what ur saying is that what hades did to team natsu wasn’t very impressive because they wasn’t 100% I disagree sting isn’t downing team ft especially when he would have trouble with gmg gray(who was at the least wrecked IMO) is roughly on the same level as base natsu. Plus Wendy gives them boost.

tenrou tree wasn’t completely down if it was they wouldn’t have had magic to fight hades in the first place. What I meant is that tenrou teee was protecting the FT members Meanwhile laxus fought with emblem tanked hades attack with no magic at all

 

[Vis]

Whether she did or not is irrelevant because she was not at her full strength anyway during the fight, it is not vague when she literally states it, even in a perfect situation to not hold back anyway

She was not at full strength in the sense that she did not have enough magical power to keep fighting. She was at her limit. She didn't gain her 'full power' until GMG, when she once again released Sitri. At this point, Erza was capable of beating people who can stomp Sitri.

So you're saying that she will never fight back at full power just because there is a single person from Fairy Tail in her immediate vicinity? Under literally any circumstance? I guess this is the question I really want to know your response to; it would really give me some insight on whether to ever address any of your statements about Mirajane ever again.

 

[WoWfan]

That is the same as not at full strength as MP determines one's strength. Yes it does as her powers have substantially reduced via lack of magic power, corrections she said "Maybe if I put all of my power into it" even before the fight she was weakened, besides she just came out of retirement as an S-Class so of course she is rusty.

 

[Vis]

I honestly don't care what reasons you have as to why she couldn't beat Azuma; the fact of the matter is, she admitted that at the time, she would not be able to beat him.

This means Erza's performance in Tenroujima, as I have previously mentioned, is miles ahead of Mirajane's.
Mirajane wasn't rusty anymore as she worked to get her Sitri form back by x791; at this point, Erza with Second Origin can beat people who can stomp Sitri.

This is the case unless you're going to argue with me that Mirajane improves at a quicker rate than Erza does.

So you're saying that she will never fight back at full power just because there is a single person from Fairy Tail in her immediate vicinity? Under literally any circumstance?

It would also be great if you could answer this.

 

[Aurelius]

That is the same as not at full strength as MP determines one's strength. Yes it does as her powers have substantially reduced via lack of magic power, corrections she said "Maybe if I put all of my power into it" even before the fight she was weakened, besides she just came out of retirement as an S-Class so of course she is rusty.

Dude just cause her mp was lower does not maker Sitri form weaker than usual, just that she won’t be able to hold it for long. Her punches and blasts will not be any weaker. How many times do I have to keep saying. There is visual evidence she’s going all out and she even says she did a full power blast and after he tanked it, she said he was too strong. And now you’re saying she’s rusty, how many excuses are you going to pull out of your ass for her.

 

[WoWfan]

because she was weakened before, you don't care because it is not part of your headcannon. for Sitri, that depends if she actual went all out. this is from the official translation. She was weakened and she did not even put all her power behind it. because she did not put everything she had left into it. It is no excuse where even statements have shown in the past she she was not even strong like her former self, it took until GMG to be atleast strong or stronger than her top tier self

 

[Aurelius]

How’s it a headcannon if her words were that was my full power. She went all out. Even if she had more mp, she wasn’t going to win.

 

[WoWfan]

I was refering to Vis, Her words are maybe if she put all her power, she did not went all out, get over it.

 

[Aurelius]

 

[WoWfan]

Official Translation

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