Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Shinuki no Reborn]

MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10

Good Votes!

 

[Halloween]

Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween

 

[Ryuusei]

Spoiler: 52 TOC & 01 Preview

呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル

Spoiler: Issue #52 ToC & Preview

Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

MANGAHELPERS POLL ISSUE #15 (2020) - VOTING RESULTS

1. Act-Age 104 - 61 Votes
2. Undead Unluck 8 - 60 Votes
3. My Hero Academia 263 - 51 Votes
4. Chainsaw Man 61 - 49 Votes
5. We Never Learn 150 - 26 Votes
6. Mitama Security 28 - 26 Votes
7. One Piece 973 - 22 Votes
8. Black Clover 242 - 22 Votes
9. Kimetsu no Yaiba 197 - 19 Votes
10. Dr. Stone 142 - 19 Votes
11. Jujutsu Kaisen 98 - 19 Votes
12. Haikyuu!! 385 - 16 Votes
13. Agravity Boys 12 - 14 Votes
14. The Promised Neverland 170 - 11 Votes
15. Samurai 8: The Tale of Hachimaru 41 - 10 Votes
16. Mashle 7 - 10 Votes
17. Yuragi-sou no Yuuna-san 198 - 8 Votes
18. Mission: Yozakura Family 27 - 6 Votes
19. Guardian of the Witch 6 - 2 Votes
20. ZIPMAN!! 13 - 0 Votes

Notes:

-56 Voters (12 Excluded)
-Tied mangas decided by which is older
-Total votes are the combined between the first and second poll thread

Ey My Top-3 ended being the same Top-3 (just MHA and UU position swapped)

 

[James Rye]

MANGAHELPERS POLL ISSUE #15 (2020) - VOTING RESULTS

1. Act-Age 104 - 61 Votes
2. Undead Unluck 8 - 60 Votes
3. My Hero Academia 263 - 51 Votes
4. Chainsaw Man 61 - 49 Votes
5. We Never Learn 150 - 26 Votes
6. Mitama Security 28 - 26 Votes
7. One Piece 973 - 22 Votes
8. Black Clover 242 - 22 Votes
9. Kimetsu no Yaiba 197 - 19 Votes
10. Dr. Stone 142 - 19 Votes
11. Jujutsu Kaisen 98 - 19 Votes
12. Haikyuu!! 385 - 16 Votes
13. Agravity Boys 12 - 14 Votes
14. The Promised Neverland 170 - 11 Votes
15. Samurai 8: The Tale of Hachimaru 41 - 10 Votes
16. Mashle 7 - 10 Votes
17. Yuragi-sou no Yuuna-san 198 - 8 Votes
18. Mission: Yozakura Family 27 - 6 Votes
19. Guardian of the Witch 6 - 2 Votes
20. ZIPMAN!! 13 - 0 Votes

Notes:

-56 Voters (12 Excluded)
-Tied mangas decided by which is older
-Total votes are the combined between the first and second poll thread

Noice going UxU! Doubt they gonna keep that position next week but it is nice to see how many liked chapter 8 because it was well done. Noticeable with how many people voted for it in the rank best 3 thread and how many points it got there: 14 people voted, 3 first places (15 points), 7 2nd places (21 points) and 4 3rd places (4 points), in total 40 points. No wonder it jumped all the way up to 2nd place with so many votes on it.

Damn what a huge drop in numbers after the top 4.

That's because the extra points of the 3 best chapters focus on a handful of chapters. Like for example with S8: 5 points for S8 come from Shinuki, if he also voted for the 5 1-point system for S8 then 60% of all points for S8 come from a single voter, putting it hardly above the bottom five due being older.

Woah, UxU is so high up there. Seems like it's the most popular newbie, at least in this forum.

Seems so, but what really counts are the questionnaires of WSJ for its readers and the sales next month. Still that it made such a comeback from its low positions here is quite a thing.

 

[westabyss]

A bit off topic, but im reading a lot of older Manga right now like Phoenix by Tezuka, The Drifting Classroom by Umezu and Ashitae no Joe (they are all hardly recommended by the way). And one thing that immediately springs to the eye, is how slow paced they are. Well, slow paced compared to the age of Manga we are in right now. For example, in Ashitae no Joe, the main character doesn't start boxing till the third volume. That might sound like its too slow but actually, it's really perfect. We get to know the main characters, the setting by a nice tempo.
The counter part to that would be, Manga like Undead Unluck which changes its setting almost every chapter. My theory is that Jump changed the pacing of Manga forever. With the introduction of questionnaire cards, Manga already had to appeal to its readers by the first chapter. Its do or die. I think that's also why a lot of first chapters are structured too similar nowadays. A lot of them are predictable and you can already guess after reading the first page how the first chapter is going to end.
I feel like Sunday, even if im not a fan of their line up for the most, are the only ones that let Manga breathe nowadays. Recently, there was a Komi chapter of Komi just being hungry at night and making some food. It was pointless for the story and didnt contribute to anything but it was nice to see a character just doing normal fun things. That chapter is something that could only run there and wouldn't fly here Jump or even Magazine.
This might be just a lot of rambling in the end. But wanted to get it out.

 

[Thundercat27]

A bit off topic, but im reading a lot of older Manga right now like Phoenix by Tezuka, The Drifting Classroom by Umezu and Ashitae no Joe (they are all hardly recommended by the way). And one thing that immediately springs to the eye, is how slow paced they are. Well, slow paced compared to the age of Manga we are in right now. For example, in Ashitae no Joe, the main character doesn't start boxing till the third volume. That might sound like its too slow but actually, it's really perfect. We get to know the main characters, the setting by a nice tempo.
The counter part to that would be, Manga like Undead Unluck which changes its setting almost every chapter. My theory is that Jump changed the pacing of Manga forever. With the introduction of questionnaire cards, Manga already had to appeal to its readers by the first chapter. Its do or die. I think that's also why a lot of first chapters are structured too similar nowadays. A lot of them are predictable and you can already guess after reading the first page how the first chapter is going to end.
I feel like Sunday, even if im not a fan of their line up for the most, are the only ones that let Manga breathe nowadays. Recently, there was a Komi chapter of Komi just being hungry at night and making some food. It was pointless for the story and didnt contribute to anything but it was nice to see a character just doing normal fun things. That chapter is something that could only run there and wouldn't fly here Jump or even Magazine.
This might be just a lot of rambling in the end. But wanted to get it out.

Well, Sunday is like reading something comfy on a Wednesday afternoon (or something likes that, my memory is a mess). That attitude works well with sol manga like komi, sheriff evans, tonikaku kawaii and somewhat with yofukashi no uta, or case of the week like conan, but not really suitable for action manga. I read two action manga on Sunday and they both feel kind of meh, Ariadne is really dumb down and fights are really one note compare to Claymore, and I mostly read Souboutei for the artist's crazy artstyle.

Wait, why am I talking about Sunday on a Jump thread?

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 15, 2020, Original Post Date: Mar 15, 2020 ---

That's because the extra points of the 3 best chapters focus on a handful of chapters. Like for example with S8: 5 points for S8 come from Shinuki, if he also voted for the 5 1-point system for S8 then 60% of all points for S8 come from a single voter, putting it hardly above the bottom five due being older.

Isn't it interesting that the guy who manage the whole system somehow "play with the rules" to get S8 barely out of the bottom 5? Hmmmm.

 

[101nemesis]

My two cents on S8 scenario (Not that anyone cares)
If Kishimoto knew that his story wasn't entertaining and/or reader friendly for the first two volumes, then he is "lazy" to not try and make it more approachable for readers.

He could've easily stretched out the manga and not have had it be so hard to follow for many. One of the main important things for a manga (a form of media consumption) is whether it is accessible for the general demographic you're aiming for. His assumption was that people will keep reading because its a manga from him. That was indeed a very lazy approach. Really no other way to put it.
PS - I'm saying that approach was lazy, so don't @ me if you can't tell the difference. He obviously put in the effort in many other aspects.

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

 

[Koni]

Okay, so between this and our poll, I gotta catch up to Undead Unluck and see what’s happening.

 

[Tamil]

I feel like Sunday, even if im not a fan of their line up for the most, are the only ones that let Manga breathe nowadays.

They axed Ryoko & Marry Grave...Lets not forget that they rushed the masterpiece that is known as Magi, their biggest hit of the decade. At least they gave it a cover for its final chapter ...and the ending was still pretty good

They are better than WSJ for sure but they've axed great series.

 

[Koni]

They axed Ryoko & Marry Grave...Lets not forget that they rushed the masterpiece that is known as Magi, their biggest hit of the decade. At least they gave it a cover for its final chapter ...and the ending was still pretty good

They are better than WSJ for sure but they've axed great series.

To be fair, all magazines are guilty of axing promising or great series. I’m really sad about Marry Grave, though, and hopefully the author can make something successful eventually, like the Spy x Family author (forgot name, I’m sorry).

 

[Thundercat27]

They axed Ryoko & Marry Grave...Lets not forget that they rushed the masterpiece that is known as Magi, their biggest hit of the decade. At least they gave it a cover for its final chapter ...and the ending was still pretty good

They are better than WSJ for sure but they've axed great series.

Both of them somewhat deserve it. I do like them tho.

 

[Ottes]

They axed Ryoko & Marry Grave...Lets not forget that they rushed the masterpiece that is known as Magi, their biggest hit of the decade. At least they gave it a cover for its final chapter ...and the ending was still pretty good

They are better than WSJ for sure but they've axed great series.

Ryoko's case wasn't it because of the author health? He had to put the manga for like 1 year on hiatus and when he returned the sales went down, something like that.

 

[Konja9]

A bit off topic, but im reading a lot of older Manga right now like Phoenix by Tezuka, The Drifting Classroom by Umezu and Ashitae no Joe (they are all hardly recommended by the way). And one thing that immediately springs to the eye, is how slow paced they are. Well, slow paced compared to the age of Manga we are in right now. For example, in Ashitae no Joe, the main character doesn't start boxing till the third volume. That might sound like its too slow but actually, it's really perfect. We get to know the main characters, the setting by a nice tempo.
The counter part to that would be, Manga like Undead Unluck which changes its setting almost every chapter. My theory is that Jump changed the pacing of Manga forever. With the introduction of questionnaire cards, Manga already had to appeal to its readers by the first chapter. Its do or die. I think that's also why a lot of first chapters are structured too similar nowadays. A lot of them are predictable and you can already guess after reading the first page how the first chapter is going to end.
I feel like Sunday, even if im not a fan of their line up for the most, are the only ones that let Manga breathe nowadays. Recently, there was a Komi chapter of Komi just being hungry at night and making some food. It was pointless for the story and didnt contribute to anything but it was nice to see a character just doing normal fun things. That chapter is something that could only run there and wouldn't fly here Jump or even Magazine.
This might be just a lot of rambling in the end. But wanted to get it out.

As it was mentioned, all magazines had cancelled manga that don't meet expectations (even if the story had potential).

The thing is WSJ has very high expectations (more than other magazines). So, it will be more difficult that a manga could survive.


I don't think the questionaire card is the reason why manga in WSJ need to be fast paced now. After all, the questionaire card existed before the current "fast paced" age.

It is more likely manga readers in WSJ have less patience (especially as the main readers in WSJ are adults now). So, that is reflected in the questionaire card.

 

[James Rye]

Isn't it interesting that the guy who manage the whole system somehow "play with the rules" to get S8 barely out of the bottom 5? Hmmmm.

That's what rules are for. XD

Wow, first place for UxU in the JPN impression, nice. Not sure what the 85 means, amount of people who voted? Are the red, yellow and green points also a 1-3-5 point system and the 85 is like the number in total?

 

[Koni]

Chapters out!

WNL: The most surprising thing about this chapter is that a certain girl is straight up living with Rizu now and Is honestly rather see that ship sail. Also, I have zero clue as to how long this will last. This definitely feels like an alternate route, alright.

MHA: Damn. I wish they took a little more time to build up the relationship, but I legit feel bad for Twice here. Also did not expect to see some minor characters get a moment as well. The turning point for the villains must be coming soon.

 

[PluemBNK48]

Zipman and Samurai 8 both feel like it will end in a few chapters

 

[TxxT]

Haikyu!! 8th Anniversary Dream Team Popularity Poll (Results in May 2020)

連載8年と19日突破記念！ハイキュー!!ベストオーダー投票開催!!

連載8年と19日突破記念！ハイキュー!!ベストオーダー投票開催!! 1日1回毎日投票可能！

t.co

 

[Jorden Rivera]

Zipman definitely feels like it’s on its last legs. The pacing skyrocketed. Undead Unluck got a lot more interesting with the introduction of these quests. Guardian of the Witch was fine, hopefully this new character can inject some life into this story. Mashle was fine, but I just feel like this current situation is going to end like all the others.

 

[MysticCatto]

Mitama felt really weird this week, moreso than usual.

The series' chapters are pretty okay this week, although last week's were better overall. I guess the best chapter for me is One Piece or Act-Age

 

[FireFantasyVI]

Yozakura was alright this week, got more laughs out of me than usual. That being said, it still hasn't fixed any of the issues I have with the series so I'm still pretty neutral on the series for now

Mitama was great as always, I don't think I'm ready if it gets the axe

Zipman genuinely feels like it'll join the U19 club, it's honestly kinda entertaining how rushed it feels

Agravity was pretty good, looks like next chapter something big will happen

UxU was really good, I think I'm finally sold on the series. The lore and the possible quests feel really interesting and I want to see more of it

Mash continues to loose me, but this chapter was pretty inoffensive. I wish it would just stick to it's gags for now, this chapter felt right out of a battle series

Guardian I'm still ambivalent on, not a fan of it but can't bring myself to really dislike it

One Piece, MHA, and Haikyuu were all great. TPN feels like it can't go more than another volume at this rate. WNL seems like it won't have each route go as long as the first route was, but I don't really know for sure yet. Sam8 also feels like it's going to end very soon.

 

[BX-02BLODIA]

Chainsasw Man continues the hype, but this chapter had the saddest character death of them all.

Good Jujutsu. NANANMIN EL FURIOSO

Excellent Act-Age.

WNL was ADORABLE!!!

UxU is great. I'm wondering if it's going to get all Sin and Punishment from Bastard once the quests are completed and they start fighting gods and shit. That would be bliss.

Hillarious Mitama, but i'm scared....

Good Agravity.

Decent MASHLE.

Witch might redeem itself a bit if this new character is interesting.

Yuuna has a Hibari chapter....
NEEEEEEEEEEXT!