Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Axiomus]

Ain’t speculation since it happened. That is debunked since he came back flying through the sky. It is just the send him away indefinitely

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Face is hax not power until reconfigured to be so, nothing impressive stat wise until then

No, it's pure and utter wank. Calling it speculation is giving it too much credit, as speculation at least attempts to appeal to facts for credibility. Universe One does not have the ability to hold down individuals, and even if it did magic doesn't work on Acnologia. Universe One probably just dumped Acnologia over the ocean, and this is Irene's own speculation.

Acnologia wasn't in his dragon form. At best he was "flying" in his human form (though to be honest, he could have just been jumping for all we know) the same way Laxus or Natsu can fly. Irrelevant when we're talking about his topspeed as a dragon.

This is no argument. Face contains magic power. The magic power it has is great enough to affect an entire continent, and destroy cities when rigged to explode. The dragons had to destroy this magic power to stop face. It's plain and simple.

 

[WoWfan]

Various speeds, but no matter when Dragon Speed is not impressive, Lightspeed and Relativistic speeds are better than Parent Dragons sub-rel speeds. Not not case when the air pressure is strong enough you cannot break free from it in time. even if that were the case, destroying a city is below average dragons strength which is below Spriggans strength Natsu's FDK Flames set the earth ablaze, while regular flames set him on fire.
logic over wank, Acno would be out of commission otherwise because there is no reason he is not flying back to kill the rest of the dragon slayers, there is no proof that he can jump that high. Dragon Slayers do not fly unless they have the qualities to do so, like Dragonized Natsu and Irene or Wendy with sky magic. It is no argument that Face only uses MP for hax, does not have any stats to make them invincible.

 

[Axiomus]

Various speeds, but no matter when Dragon Speed is not impressive, Lightspeed and Relativistic speeds are better than Parent Dragons sub-rel speeds. Not not case when the air pressure is strong enough you cannot break free from it in time. even if that were the case, destroying a city is below average dragons strength which is below Spriggans strength Natsu's FDK Flames set the earth ablaze, while regular flames set him on fire.
logic over wank, Acno would be out of commission otherwise because there is no reason he is not flying back to kill the rest of the dragon slayers, there is no proof that he can jump that high. Dragon Slayers do not fly unless they have the qualities to do so, like Dragonized Natsu and Irene or Wendy with sky magic. It is no argument that Face only uses MP for hax, does not have any stats to make them invincible.

And we've reached the point in our conversation where your posts become a giant run-on sentence.

Speed is speed. Different classification of speed is just used to describe what that speed is used for. You are insane if you think GMG base Natsu is casually travelling at lightspeed,and can run around Ishgal and wipe out all the faces after it drains his magic.

The dragons didn't just destroy 1 face. They destroyed approximately 750 faces each. Also, destroying a city isn't all what face is capable of doing. It has the power to wipe out all magic from the entire continent. Imagine if the White Witch had the power to wipe out magic from everyone on an entire continent. That is essentially the scale of which face's magic power operates on.

Univese One doesn't create any air pressure. It is an enchantment on the ground. There is absolutely nothing physically holding Acnologia down. The spell simply warped the land in such a fashion that Acnologia ended up being dropped over the ocean, and the FT guild and Zeref were moved as far away from his position as possible. Saying that it did anything else is pure and utter wank. For all we know, Acnologia simply got confused in the change in landscape and walked around to different locations trying to find his bearings.

Exactly. Acnologia was in his human form when he found Irene. So he didn't fly. Find me one panel of Acnologia flying towards Irene in his dragon form after Universe One. Just one.

This idea that setting the ground on fire without also setting himself on fire is proof that Natsu is using FDK is ridiculous. Here is Natsu setting the ground on fire without also setting himself on fire.

Spoiler: Natsu setting the ground on fire

Spoiler: Same scene, animated

When Natsu used FDK mode against Zeref, he also set himself on fire.

Spoiler

The standards in which you are using to define Natsu using FDK against Invel fails at the most fundamental level. Here I have just shown you proof of the following: (1) When Natsu used FDK mode against Zeref, he also set himself on fire. (2) When Natsu creates a ring of fire around himself without setting himself on fire, he's not using FDK mode. This is not the first time I've shown you this, but somehow you still pretend that Natsu creating a ring of fire against Invel is proof of FDK. I guess this is where you pretend you can't see my images.

 

[WoWfan]

Thank you for agreeing with me, as Speeds have difference uses depending on the situation, You seem to back track again thinking that Natsu cannot react to lightspeed attacks or Gajeel moving fast enough to outpace a lightning bolt, even then, All of them are not the same as accumulation, which would still not equal to Average Dragon power, nor even Spriggans, not even close. still does not equate to stats. Universe One teleport Acno away from them, it compresses the land, Acno can smell for miles, there is nothing to stop him from coming back. Acno can just turn into a dragon to fly back, you fail to realize this. Show me a panel that Acno did not care about Dragons and did nothing to come back first.

 

[Axiomus]

Thank you for agreeing with me, as Speeds have difference uses depending on the situation, You seem to back track again thinking that Natsu cannot react to lightspeed attacks or Gajeel moving fast enough to outpace a lightning bolt, even then, All of them are not the same as accumulation, which would still not equal to Average Dragon power, nor even Spriggans, not even close. still does not equate to stats. Universe One teleport Acno away from them, it compresses the land, Acno can smell for miles, there is nothing to stop him from coming back. Acno can just turn into a dragon to fly back, you fail to realize this. Show me a panel that Acno did not care about Dragons and did nothing to come back first.

I'm not backtracking. Answer my question. Can GMG base Natsu run around Ishgal after face drains his magic, and smash all 3000 faces?

Face is actually continental in terms of the scale it's magic power can affect. It has the power to defeat every single mage in Ishgal. Fairy Tail had no plan to take down all the faces, until Makarov considered using Fairy Heart. Even then, Makarov considered it too late when face actually activated. The parent dragons had so much magic power that they were able to still use magic after face activated, fly around Ishgal, and wipe out all the faces. No human mage in the series has demonstrated the ability to operate on such a scale. All of them would have simply be drained of magic as soon as face activated. If anti-magic cuffs could work on Spriggans like Dimaria, what makes you think she can resist the effects of face? Only a handful of them could actually destroy a single face even when it's not activated, and none of them can fly around in seconds and destroy 700 of them.

Universe One changed the landscape of Fiore and compressed it's land. Acnologia ended up somewhere in the middle of the ocean, and Zeref ended up in the FT guild and as far away from Acnologia as possible. Universe One did not prevent Acnologia from moving. Acnologia was using his dragon form when he found Irene. I've noticed that you still can't show a single panel of Acnologia flying towards Irene in his dragon form after Universe One. Why would he turn back to his human form once he's found her if he was anticipating a fight?

Since you asked, here is Acnologia acknowledging what is happening to Gajeel. He must have been close enough to either smell Gajeel, or otherwise sensed his magic power. He's still taking his time, walking around in his human form. He's was in no rush to hunt down Gajeel.

Spoiler

 

[Ramen]

I'm not backtracking. Answer my question. Can GMG base Natsu run around Ishgal after face drains his magic, and smash all 3000 faces?

Face is actually continental in terms of the scale it's magic power can affect. It has the power to defeat every single mage in Ishgal. Fairy Tail had no plan to take down all the faces, until Makarov considered using Fairy Heart. Even then, Makarov considered it too late when face actually activated. The parent dragons had so much magic power that they were able to still use magic after face activated, fly around Ishgal, and wipe out all the mages. No human mage in the series has demonstrated the ability to operate on such a scale. All of them would have simply be drained of magic as soon as face activated. If anti-magic cuffs could work on Spriggans like Dimaria, what makes you think she can resist the effects of face? Only a handful of them could actually destroy a single face even when it's not activated, and none of them can fly around in seconds and destroy 700 of them.

Universe One changed the landscape of Fiore and compressed it's land. Acnologia ended up somewhere in the middle of the ocean, and Zeref ended up in the FT guild and as far away from Acnologia as possible. Universe One did not prevent Acnologia from moving. Acnologia was using his dragon form when he found Irene.

I've noticed that you still can't show a single panel of Acnologia flying towards Irene in his dragon form after Universe One. Why would he turn back to his human form once he's found her if he was anticipating a fight? Since you asked, here is Acnologia acknowledging what is happening to Gajeel. He must have been close enough to either smell Gajeel, or otherwise sensed his magic power. He's still taking his time, walking around in his human form. He's was in no rush to hunt down Gajeel.

Spoiler

I think you need to take a break.

 

[WoWfan]

you answer my question, which is faster sub-relativistic (Parent Dragons) or Lightspeed-Relativistic (Natsu and Gajeel)?
Face is hax, nothing continental about destruction.
U1 sent Acno as far away as it can to not interfere, Especially after his encounter with Irene he would have no reason to move slowly.

• Dorma Anim (Edolas machine) was capable of draining the magic of an entire planet
• Dimaria can time time of the entire world and access the space between time
• Wall Can generate energy of Large Country level (Which Spriggans scale to)
• I can go on,

Here is images that contradicts that claim, https://mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628914/17

Fairy Tail Vol.57 Chapter 486: The Fourth Guest

Read Fairy Tail Vol.57 Chapter 486: The Fourth Guest Page 12; A young celestial mage, Lucy Heartfilia, runs away from home and travels to the land of Fiore to join the magical Fairy Tail Guild. Along the way, she meets Natsu Dragneel, a teenage boy looking for his foster parent, a dragon named...

mangapark.net

 

[Ramen]

I think we can all agree that Acno would destroy Irene in the end.

 

[WoWfan]

I think we can all agree that Acno would destroy Irene in the end.

not denying he can't, but doesn't take away he acknowledge her in a fight, for how strong she is

 

[Ramen]

not denying he can't, but doesn't take away he acknowledge her in a fight.

Meh, would still one shot her.

 

[WoWfan]

yet did not

 

[Ramen]

And? He has the power to do it. It wasn't even a fight. It was a little exchange before universe one took affect

 

[Axiomus]

you answer my question, which is faster sub-relativistic (Parent Dragons) or Lightspeed-Relativistic (Natsu and Gajeel)?
Face is hax, nothing continental about destruction.
U1 sent Acno as far away as it can to not interfere, Especially after his encounter with Irene he would have no reason to move slowly.

• Dorma Anim (Edolas machine) was capable of draining the magic of an entire planet
• Dimaria can time time of the entire world and access the space between time
• Wall Can generate energy of Large Country level (Which Spriggans scale to)
• I can go on,

Here is images that contradicts that claim, https://mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628914/17

Fairy Tail Vol.57 Chapter 486: The Fourth Guest

Read Fairy Tail Vol.57 Chapter 486: The Fourth Guest Page 12; A young celestial mage, Lucy Heartfilia, runs away from home and travels to the land of Fiore to join the magical Fairy Tail Guild. Along the way, she meets Natsu Dragneel, a teenage boy looking for his foster parent, a dragon named...

mangapark.net

The fact that you're trying to wank GMG base Natsu to casual light speed says it all. I don't believe Natsu is lightspeed in the first place (and neither is Gajeel). Natsu simply aim dodged Sting's roar. Later on, Natsu was hit several times by Sting's holy ray and even punched in the face by Sting's physical attacks. Is Sting massively FTL? Like I said, if Natsu and Gajeel could run around Ishgal and wipe out all the faces, the entire plot of the Tartaros arc would have fallen apart.

Saying something is hax doesn't change anything. Face operates on a continental level, and can defeat every mage on the continent of Ishgal.

• Dorma Anim was only as powerful as the magic power on Edolas. It was weaker than Natsu, Gajeel, and Wendy combined.
• Dimaria creates her own time and exists in there. People who are much weaker than even city level can intrude upon her time, like Ultear.
• Wall's etherion is featless unless you wank it with calcs.

The panel you show isn't from after Universe One was used. In fact, that panel may not even be a panel of the actual Acnologia. It's possible that's just Irene imagining what Acnologia looks like. When we find Acnologia a few chapters later, he's still just walking around in his human form.

Spoiler

I think you need to take a break.

You're probably right. Last post I promise.

There is no wank here is it is fact, light based laser are lightspeed, and plus Natsu tagged Igneel despite being able to fly away and having time to do so. The fact you ignore the question is proof enough you have none. There was no way they could have done it in the situations they were in.
That is not how levels work, either they are destruction base or hax base, you can't have both.

1. Don't change the fact that Dorma Anim absorbs magic of the entire planet, and in Earthland it is nigh-invincible. only because they could harm it despite being them being weaker on their own.
2. No, Ultear could enter the Space Between Time because of her current state, not based on level of strength.
3. Wall's Etherion is Large Country, based on how much energy is produced, there is no wanking when it is known.

It does shown that your claim that Acno walked the entire time is false, With or without U1. There is no imagination involved otherwise it would be more obvious, and the way she talks is that Acno is breaking the rules on the game board, and flying by those standards are breaking the rules. he was not walking at all.

Natsu was tagged a bunch of time by Sting's other attacks like Holy Ray, and also by future Rogue's light blitz. He's been tagged by attacks much, much slower than lightspeed. Natsu knew where Sting was aiming his roar, and moved before it fired. He aim dodged. That's all. This is like saying Captain America or Batman can dodge bullets because they react to people aiming guns at them. Igneel was fighting Acnologia in a stationary position. Igneel made no attempts to "dodge Natsu" because he was busy fighting Acnologia. To pretend that this is equivalent of Natsu blitzing Igneel with an attack is ridiculous. Igneel was dodging roars from Acnologia.

Spoiler

Magic power is magic power. Hax is just a fan-made term for abilities that don't generally involve beating your opponent over the head with physical force. Face's magical power operates on a continental level, and would defeat every mage in Ishgal. When used to create explosions, each face can blow up an area roughly the size of a city. The dragons overcame this magic power. Mind you, even without considering all of this, the fact of the matter is Fairy Tail had no way of dealing with face without resorting to Fairy Heart. Their initially plan was to have Warren telepathically call for help from every mage in Ishgal, and even that was deemed impractical. Nobody could simply run around and destroy face.

Dorma Anim slowly drains the magic power of a planet that didn't have very much to begin with. It doesn't drain power from the mages, as literally everyone was still able to fight with their magic. It was defeated by Natsu, Wendy, and Gajeel. If Dorma Anim tried to fight the GMG mages, it would get wrecked. Ultear cannot enter the same space between time that Acnologia controls. That rift between time was created from the Eclipse. Dimaria has access to her own time, and people like Ultear can intrude upon it. Wall's etherion is utterly featless. It's wanked with poor application physics and random assumptions. Nothing you just mentioned is remotely on the same scale as face. Face would defeat Dorma Anim, Dimaria, and Wall at the same time. It would wipe out their MP and they would be powerless.


You really think Irene is saying that Acnologia is breaking the rules because he's flying? Why would Acnologia fly all the way over in his dragon form, only to stop short and walk the rest of the distance? You know what? Even if what you say were true, the fact that Acnologia didn't even bother to fly all the way to Gajeel's location already proves that he was in no hurry. If Acnologia was truly in a hurry, he wouldn't drop out of his dragon form and walk the rest of the way. He knew where Gajeel was, but didn't bother flying over to his position as a dragon. One cannot find a more perfect example of why Acnologia wasn't in a hurry than this. Now you show me a panel of Acnologia flying towards Irene in his dragon form after she used Universe One.

 

[Ramen]

You're probably right. Last post I promise.

I'll ban you if you break that promise.

 

[WoWfan]

There is no wank here is it is fact, light based laser are lightspeed, and plus Natsu tagged Igneel despite being able to fly away and having time to do so. The fact you ignore the question is proof enough you have none. There was no way they could have done it in the situations they were in.
That is not how levels work, either they are destruction base or hax base, you can't have both.

1. Don't change the fact that Dorma Anim absorbs magic of the entire planet, and in Earthland it is nigh-invincible. only because they could harm it despite being them being weaker on their own.
2. No, Ultear could enter the Space Between Time because of her current state, not based on level of strength.
3. Wall's Etherion is Large Country, based on how much energy is produced, there is no wanking when it is known.

It does shown that your claim that Acno walked the entire time is false, With or without U1. There is no imagination involved otherwise it would be more obvious, and the way she talks is that Acno is breaking the rules on the game board, and flying by those standards are breaking the rules. he was not walking at all.

 

[Ramen]

Natsu was tagged a bunch of time by Sting's other attacks like Holy Ray, and also by future Rogue's light blitz. He's been tagged by attacks much, much slower than lightspeed. Natsu knew where Sting was aiming his roar, and moved before it fired. He aim dodged. That's all. This is like saying Captain America or Batman can dodge bullets because they react to people aiming guns at them. Igneel was fighting Acnologia in a stationary position. Igneel made no attempts to "dodge Natsu" because he was busy fighting Acnologia. To pretend that this is equivalent of Natsu blitzing Igneel with an attack is ridiculous. Igneel was dodging roars from Acnologia.

Spoiler

Magic power is magic power. Hax is just a fan-made term for abilities that don't generally involve beating your opponent over the head with physical force. Face's magical power operates on a continental level, and would defeat every mage in Ishgal. When used to create explosions, each face can blow up an area roughly the size of a city. The dragons overcame this magic power. Mind you, even without considering all of this, the fact of the matter is Fairy Tail had no way of dealing with face without resorting to Fairy Heart. Their initially plan was to have Warren telepathically call for help from every mage in Ishgal, and even that was deemed impractical. Nobody could simply run around and destroy face.

Dorma Anim slowly drains the magic power of a planet that didn't have very much to begin with. It doesn't drain power from the mages, as literally everyone was still able to fight with their magic. It was defeated by Natsu, Wendy, and Gajeel. If Dorma Anim tried to fight the GMG mages, it would get wrecked. Ultear cannot enter the same space between time that Acnologia controls. That rift between time was created from the Eclipse. Dimaria has access to her own time, and people like Ultear can intrude upon it. Wall's etherion is utterly featless. It's wanked with poor application physics and random assumptions. Nothing you just mentioned is remotely on the same scale as face. Face would defeat Dorma Anim, Dimaria, and Wall at the same time. It would wipe out their MP and they would be powerless.


You really think Irene is saying that Acnologia is breaking the rules because he's flying? Why would Acnologia fly all the way over in his dragon form, only to stop short and walk the rest of the distance? You know what? Even if what you say were true, the fact that Acnologia didn't even both to fly all the way to Gajeel's location already proves that he was in no hurry. If Acnologia was truly in a hurry, he wouldn't drop out of his dragon form and walk the rest of the way. He was in his human form when he left Jacob and August, and he was still in his human form when Irene found him. He knew where Gajeel was, but didn't bother flying over to his position as a dragon. Perfect example. of why Acnologia wasn't in a hurry any better than this. Now you show me a panel of Acnologia flying towards Irene in his dragon form after Universe One.

Promise my ass.

You have broken the agreement and now I shall ban you.

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@Axiomus YOU THINK YOU CAN GET HIDE BY DELETING YOUR POST? YOU SHALL BE JUDGED FOR YOUR CRIMES

 

[WoWfan]

Ax, Yeah that didn’t stop him from dodging from an actual laser base attack he still scales higher than the likes of Parent Dragons who are slower. Igneel was not held down by Acno that he could not dodge, he could have dodged yet could not get away from Natsu. Just like how Face slowly drains magic, yet the difference is Dorma Anim actually has stats while Face does not. Thus it is hax. Why would Acno bother with enemies that are beneath him? Maybe he did need rest, have you ever consider it? That is why he is in human form. Ultear can and did enter the space between time. Time is sealed off by Dimaria, there is no time.

 

[Axiomus]

This will be my last post on the subject, for real this time @August_Lightning

Natsu is not faster than light. He simply aim dodged Sting's roar (aiming dodging is explained here). Natsu has been consistently tagged by attacks far slower than FTL. He even gets tagged by people like Elfman, who is known for being slow. Natsu probably doesn't have FTL reaction time, and he certainly doesn't have FTL movement speed. Natsu cannot run around Ishgal and wipe out all the faces. Not just because he can't move anywhere near their top-speed, but also because he wouldn't be able to use any magic after face activates. Natsu is not running around the continent and smashing the faces with no magic. If you think he's capable of that, you've missed the entire point of the Tartaros Arc. Likewise, everyone else mentioned (Dimaria, Wall, and Dorma Anim) would all simply be disabled by face if they were on Ishgal when it activates.

Face is actually more durable than Dorma Anim. Gajeel was piercing through it's armor with his club, and Natsu's sword horn shredded it. Face was unharmed by Christina in the manga, and couldn't even be scratched by Kagura and Jura in the anime. I know you're going to dismiss the anime, but Christina happens to be equipped with a Jupiter cannon as one of its weapon systems. The fact that face wasn't even scratched by all of Christina's attacks means it technically has a better showing than Ajeel, who got wrecked when Jupiter scored a direct hit. By no means was it implied that face is easy to destroy, and in fact once it activates it may very well be impossible for a person with no magic to destroy with their bare hands.

Spoiler: Christina is equipped with a Jupiter Cannon

Spoiler: Face is completely unharmed by Christina's cannons

Spoiler: Ajeel got wrecked by a direct hit from Jupiter

Universe One is an enchantment on the earth that rearranges and compresses the landscape. The enchantment did not act on Acnologia's body. It acted on the land under his feet. Acnologia simply ended up in the area over the middle of the ocean after Irene was done reshaping Fiore. Assuming that Universe One did anything more than that, especially that it actually held Acnologia in place for some inexplicable reason, is simply making stuff up. Quite frankly, it's a perfect example of wank.

Acnologia was simply in no hurry to hunt down Irene. He was in his human form when Irene used Universe One, and he was in his human form when he found Irene. Nobody has produced a single panel of Acnologia flying towards Irene in his dragon form during the time in between. Acnologia wasn't in a hurry to kill the dragon slayers in the first place. He took his time with Gajeel, not bothering to fly after Gajeel in his dragon form despite knowing where he was. If you say that he flew part of the way there only to resume his human form, then that just further proves that Acnologia was in no hurry at all. No, I did not consider the possibility that Acnologia would get tired and need a break after some flying, because it's utterly ridiculous.

 

[Ramen]

@Axiomus I will personally find you and take away all electronics in your household so you stay off MH.

@Kiki ^^If he breaks that promise ban him.

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In the end who cares. All that matters is that Gajeel, Mira, Natsu, Laxus, Erza, Gildarts are all stronger than Gray. Come at me Gray fans.

 

[Newperson00]

@Axiomus I will personally find you and take away all electronics in your household so you stay off MH.

@Kiki ^^If he breaks that promise ban him.

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In the end who cares. All that matters is that Gajeel, Mira, Natsu, Laxus, Erza, Gildarts are all stronger than Gray. Come at me Gray fans.

It's very annoying Hiro is not doing anything to Gray I mean he got his Devil Slaying Magic for E.N.D but if the demon seed no longer exists anymore then that new magic Gray got has no purpose anymore sadly , Only if the Diabolos guild has a half Human Demon Dragon Eater in their guild I'm still hoping for that
Gray really need some serious fights
But if the Demon Seed recreate itself in Natsu because of he ate Ignia's flames because they turned out to be evil ,
That would be nice too for Gray to fight Natsu again if he loses control