Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Shinuki no Reborn]

MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10

Good Votes!

 

[Halloween]

Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween

 

[Ryuusei]

Spoiler: 52 TOC & 01 Preview

呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル

Spoiler: Issue #52 ToC & Preview

Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file

 

[Serinox]

How many authors can anyone name with 2 hits in the same magazine (excluding sequels)
I have 3 (Takahashi in Sunday, Mashima and Koji in Magazine).

(aside from the ones you mentioned)
Jump: Togashi, Toriyama, Matsui, maybe Obata if you wanna count him despite different authors
Sunday: Aoyama, Adachi, Fujita, Shiina
Magazine: Akamatsu, Yoshikawa

Just from the top of my head. Sure there are more, especially in Magazine, I'm not quite up to speed on their catalogue.

 

[Aeneas]

Morita gettin' no love (both are considered "hits", right?).

 

[Stivie]

look, I even think the jump could treat your veterans and newbies better.
I don't disagree with anything that was said, because what shinuki feels about Kamio yui and samurai 8, I feel for Yozakura.
I see that Yozakura has the potential to grow, but the jump still doesn't trust enough even with the 2 reprints.
But I also think that authors need to earn it, deliver a story that has the minimum quality possible, it doesn't have to be revolutionary or innovative.
Samurai 8 had a problematic start, there were 15 chapters of exhibition and the art did not help, and look that the marketing over the manga was absurd, the most aggressive I have ever seen for a manga.
and Kamio yui, started out as a harem romance and then switched to demon fighting without any prior preparation, it looked like despair. In it seemed that it was done by the author of Nuraryhion in the magician.
What I mean is that the jump should treat your veterans and newbies better, but they have to do their part too.

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 24, 2020, Original Post Date: Mar 24, 2020 ---

(aside from the ones you mentioned)
Jump: Togashi, Toriyama, Matsui, maybe Obata if you wanna count him despite different authors
Sunday: Aoyama, Adachi, Fujita, Shiina
Magazine: Akamatsu, Yoshikawa

Just from the top of my head. Sure there are more, especially in Magazine, I'm not quite up to speed on their catalogue.

you forgot the mashima in the magazine.

 

[Serinox]

you forgot the mashima in the magazine.

Already mentioned in the post I quoted.

 

[OtterBrigade]

Shimabu (Takeshi & Toriko)

Togashi (YYH, HxH), Matsui (Neuro/AssClass) and Inagaki (Eyeshield/Dr. Stone) are the ones that spring to mind for me.

The problem with giving veterans special treatment is that you end up with stagnant series like Yui Kamio, S8 and Hungry Marie sticking around for too long.

The best way for jump to treat veterans ishow they currently are: fairly.

(aside from the ones you mentioned)
Jump: Togashi, Toriyama, Matsui, maybe Obata if you wanna count him despite different authors
Sunday: Aoyama, Adachi, Fujita, Shiina
Magazine: Akamatsu, Yoshikawa

Just from the top of my head. Sure there are more, especially in Magazine, I'm not quite up to speed on their catalogue.

I guess I should have mentioned I was also excluding Jump as the argument was about Jump's treatment of veterans.

 

[OniluapL]

WSM does have a lot of veterans, most of the magazine right now consists of authors in their second or third hit (or even more than that) in WSM itself*. The number grows larger when we consider authors who moved to WSM from other magazines (for instance, Wakui Ken was publishing in Young Magazine before, IIRC, which is still a Kodansha publication). I don't think there's a comparison in how Jump and Magazine treat veterans. Not to make a value judgment either way, but they are definitely different.

*names, just for completeness' sake: Sasuga Kei, Seo Kouji, Mashima, Oh Great, Yoshitoki Ooima, Yasuda Tsuyoshi, Yoshikawa Miki (not sure if Cuckoo's will last, but she already has two hits under her belt), Reiji Miyajima, and I think there's more, those are just publishing there right now. Some of those are publishing their second hit series right now, so maybe you don't want to count them, but even still, that's a lot.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

WSM does have a lot of veterans, most of the magazine right now consists of authors in their second or third hit (or even more than that) in WSM itself*. The number grows larger when we consider authors who moved to WSM from other magazines (for instance, Wakui Ken was publishing in Young Magazine before, IIRC, which is still a Kodansha publication). I don't think there's a comparison in how Jump and Magazine treat veterans. Not to make a value judgment either way, but they are definitely different.

*names, just for completeness' sake: Sasuga Kei, Seo Kouji, Mashima, Oh Great, Yoshitoki Ooima, Yasuda Tsuyoshi, Yoshikawa Miki (not sure if Cuckoo's will last, but she already has two hits under her belt), Reiji Miyajima, and I think there's more, those are just publishing there right now. Some of those are publishing their second hit series right now, so maybe you don't want to count them, but even still, that's a lot.

And for Sunday, in two years they had already 4 veteran authors coming back with a new popular series: Hata (Kawai), Matsuena (Kimi wa 008), Rumiko (MAO) and recently Kotoyama (Yofukashi).

 

[Rain Spectre]

This has really nothing to do with trying to be innovator or the other magazines being comfortable working with smaller risks, just to remember that Shonen Jump was once dethroned for a time by these other magazines when Dragon Ball, Slam Dunk and others ended, also Shonen Jump system is simply impracticable for the industry, isn't a case of taking risks, is simply because this industry would not be half big with every manga magazine just throwing everything out of the window because it doesn't sell at certain high standards.

Reading these posts are like going in circles, is just the same thing over and over again that in the end is just adding for what i already said about Jump system, i know all of this...

Question, why exactly is this different from new authors? Why're you arguing for veterans getting such treatment?

 

[Datu Mike]

MH POLLS FOR ISSUE #16​

Yo guys, in the next hour both polls will be closed, if some of you didn't voted yet or forgot to do, vote HERE and HERE

Edit: We're in low number this week in the regular poll.

I don't see the last 2 issues of MH result poll on your thread. Aren't you forgot to update? I really did missed to see the result

 

[Ryuusei]

So this just happened. It is Shoseki on 3/22.

#17 Dr. Stone 1
#22 Dr. Stone 2
#30 Dr. Stone 3
#48 Dr. Stone 4
#58 Dr. Stone 5
#72 Dr. Stone 14
#75 Dr. Stone 8
#76 Dr. Stone 6
#81 Dr. Stone 7
#83 Dr. Stone 13
#84 Dr. Stone 9
#85 Dr. Stone 10
#89 Dr. Stone 12
#91 Dr. Stone 11

 

[Halloween]

So this just happened. It is Shoseki on 3/22.

#17 Dr. Stone 1
#22 Dr. Stone 2
#30 Dr. Stone 3
#48 Dr. Stone 4
#58 Dr. Stone 5
#72 Dr. Stone 14
#75 Dr. Stone 8
#76 Dr. Stone 6
#81 Dr. Stone 7
#83 Dr. Stone 13
#84 Dr. Stone 9
#85 Dr. Stone 10
#89 Dr. Stone 12
#91 Dr. Stone 11

For clarification, apparently Dr. Stone was featured on a popular talk show?

 

[Ryuusei]

For clarification, apparently Dr. Stone was featured on a popular talk show?

Sekaju, Boichi retweeted about it.

 

[chrisbj]

For clarification, apparently Dr. Stone was featured on a popular talk show?

Kingdom effect incoming, Wonder if this can push Stone above Black Clover into that 300k-400k a year tier

 

[Aipom626]

Agravity official Twitter account before Yozakura and Mitama? That's disappointing. They must not really care about its placement in the TOC since I'm pretty sure it's been bottom 5 ever since it started ranking.

 

[lazybones1717]

So this just happened. It is Shoseki on 3/22.

#17 Dr. Stone 1
#22 Dr. Stone 2
#30 Dr. Stone 3
#48 Dr. Stone 4
#58 Dr. Stone 5
#72 Dr. Stone 14
#75 Dr. Stone 8
#76 Dr. Stone 6
#81 Dr. Stone 7
#83 Dr. Stone 13
#84 Dr. Stone 9
#85 Dr. Stone 10
#89 Dr. Stone 12
#91 Dr. Stone 11

Looks like we now have a Demon Slayer slayer

In all seriousness though, it'll be interesting to see how well the backlog holds on Shoseki and affects sales in the long run!

 

[BX-02BLODIA]

Agravity official Twitter account before Yozakura and Mitama? That's disappointing. They must not really care about its placement in the TOC since I'm pretty sure it's been bottom 5 ever since it started ranking.

Well, Tsurun already has his own account, so that's something. I guess Jump predicts good Vol 1 sales? Only April 3rd would tell.

 

[MangAniMY]

So this just happened. It is Shoseki on 3/22.

#17 Dr. Stone 1
#22 Dr. Stone 2
#30 Dr. Stone 3
#48 Dr. Stone 4
#58 Dr. Stone 5
#72 Dr. Stone 14
#75 Dr. Stone 8
#76 Dr. Stone 6
#81 Dr. Stone 7
#83 Dr. Stone 13
#84 Dr. Stone 9
#85 Dr. Stone 10
#89 Dr. Stone 12
#91 Dr. Stone 11

Sekaju

it happenend with cells as well

prime time weekend does work

too bad it was last week and not this week, which would have been better

 

[Blink22]

Shiibashi to get a fourth run soon? Or maybe setting up for another magazine? Either way jolly good news.

 

[Nemesis]

(aside from the ones you mentioned)
Jump: Togashi, Toriyama, Matsui, maybe Obata if you wanna count him despite different authors
Sunday: Aoyama, Adachi, Fujita, Shiina
Magazine: Akamatsu, Yoshikawa

Just from the top of my head. Sure there are more, especially in Magazine, I'm not quite up to speed on their catalogue.

Ohba from Death Note to Bakuman.

 

[yadayada]

Shoseki 3/16-3/22

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#17 - TPN 18
#20 - MHA 26
#23 - Haikyuu!! 42
#45 - JJK 10
#58 - CSM 6
#75 - Jigokuraku 9
#133 - Dr. Stone reboot

Kimetsu backlog

2 9784088807553 鬼滅の刃　２ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2016.8.4
3 9784088807232 鬼滅の刃　１ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2016.6.3
4 9784088807959 鬼滅の刃　３ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2016.10.4
6 9784088808260 鬼滅の刃　４ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2016.12.2
7 9784088810263 鬼滅の刃　５ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2017.3.3
8 9784088821412 鬼滅の刃　１８ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2019.12.4
9 9784088822044 鬼滅の刃　１９ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2020.2.4
10 9784088820804 鬼滅の刃　１７ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2019.10.4
11 9784088818672 鬼滅の刃　１６ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2019.7.4
12 9784088817996 鬼滅の刃　１５ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2019.4.4
13 9784088816951 鬼滅の刃　１４ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2019.1.4
14 9784088816265 鬼滅の刃　１３ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2018.11.2
39 9784088810768 鬼滅の刃　６ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2017.5.2
55 9784088820439 鬼滅の刃　公式ファンブック　鬼殺見聞録 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2019.7.4
62 9784088815404 鬼滅の刃　１２ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2018.8.3
63 9784088813998 鬼滅の刃　１１ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2018.6.4
76 9784088813554 鬼滅の刃　１０ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2018.3.2
81 9784088812830 鬼滅の刃　９ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2017.12.4
84 9784088812120 鬼滅の刃　８ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2017.10.4
91 9784088811932 鬼滅の刃　７ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2017.8.4

Stone backlog

87 9784088811840 Ｄｒ．ＳＴＯＮＥ　１ 集英社 Ｂｏｉｃｈｉ 2017.7.4
117 9784088812595 Ｄｒ．ＳＴＯＮＥ　２ 集英社 Ｂｏｉｃｈｉ 2017.9.4
128 9784088822068 Ｄｒ．ＳＴＯＮＥ　１４ 集英社 Ｂｏｉｃｈｉ 2020.2.4
149 9784088812885 Ｄｒ．ＳＴＯＮＥ　３ 集英社 Ｂｏｉｃｈｉ 2017.12.4
191 9784088821061 Ｄｒ．ＳＴＯＮＥ　１３ 集英社 Ｂｏｉｃｈｉ 2019.11.1
200 9784088813417 Ｄｒ．ＳＴＯＮＥ　４ 集英社 Ｂｏｉｃｈｉ 2018.2.2
216 9784088816678 Ｄｒ．ＳＴＯＮＥ　８ 集英社 Ｂｏｉｃｈｉ 2018.12.4
221 9784088813813 Ｄｒ．ＳＴＯＮＥ　５ 集英社 Ｂｏｉｃｈｉ 2018.4.4
223 9784088817262 Ｄｒ．ＳＴＯＮＥ　９ 集英社 Ｂｏｉｃｈｉ 2019.2.4
226 9784088818016 Ｄｒ．ＳＴＯＮＥ　１０ 集英社 Ｂｏｉｃｈｉ 2019.4.4
227 9784088820552 Ｄｒ．ＳＴＯＮＥ　１２ 集英社 Ｂｏｉｃｈｉ 2019.9.4
233 9784088816104 Ｄｒ．ＳＴＯＮＥ　７ 集英社 Ｂｏｉｃｈｉ 2018.9.4
237 9784088818818 Ｄｒ．ＳＴＯＮＥ　１１ 集英社 Ｂｏｉｃｈｉ 2019.7.4
251 9784088815589 Ｄｒ．ＳＴＯＮＥ　６ 集英社 Ｂｏｉｃｈｉ 2018.7.4

TPN backlog

70 9784088821702 約束のネバーランド　１７ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2020.1.4
130 9784088820774 約束のネバーランド　１６ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2019.10.4
140 9784088812786 約束のネバーランド　６ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2017.11.2
144 9784088812052 約束のネバーランド　５ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2017.9.4
145 9784088820170 約束のネバーランド　１５ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2019.8.2
147 9784088813233 約束のネバーランド　７ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2018.1.4
151 9784088808727 約束のネバーランド　１ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2016.12.2
156 9784088813844 約束のネバーランド　８ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2018.4.4
157 9784088818610 約束のネバーランド　１４ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2019.6.4
159 9784088810065 約束のネバーランド　２ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2017.2.3
162 9784088815343 約束のネバーランド　１０ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2018.8.3
166 9784088814957 約束のネバーランド　９ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2018.6.4
173 9784088817545 約束のネバーランド　１３ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2019.3.4
176 9784088816227 約束のネバーランド　１１ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2018.11.2
177 9784088816920 約束のネバーランド　１２ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2019.1.4
187 9784088810775 約束のネバーランド　３ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2017.4.4
195 9784088811833 約束のネバーランド　４ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2017.7.4

MHA backlog

148 9784088820743 僕のヒーローアカデミア　２５ 集英社 堀越耕平 2019.12.4
255 9784088818801 僕のヒーローアカデミア　２４ 集英社 堀越耕平 2019.8.2
282 9784088817972 僕のヒーローアカデミア　２３ 集英社 堀越耕平 2019.5.2
290 9784088817231 僕のヒーローアカデミア　２２ 集英社 堀越耕平 2019.2.4
298 9784088816241 僕のヒーローアカデミア　２１ 集英社 堀越耕平 2018.12.4
314 9784088802640 僕のヒーローアカデミア　１ 集英社 堀越耕平 2014.11.4
320 9784088802978 僕のヒーローアカデミア　２ 集英社 堀越耕平 2015.1.5
329 9784088815664 僕のヒーローアカデミア　２０ 集英社 堀越耕平 2018.9.4
337 9784088803357 僕のヒーローアカデミア　３ 集英社 堀越耕平 2015.4.3
363 9784088804200 僕のヒーローアカデミア　４ 集英社 堀越耕平 2015.6.4
386 9784088804491 僕のヒーローアカデミア　５ 集英社 堀越耕平 2015.8.4
404 9784088804880 僕のヒーローアカデミア　６ 集英社 堀越耕平 2015.11.4
407 9784088806075 僕のヒーローアカデミア　７ 集英社 堀越耕平 2016.2.4
431 9784088815121 僕のヒーローアカデミア　１９ 集英社 堀越耕平 2018.7.4
448 9784088813806 僕のヒーローアカデミア　１８ 集英社 堀越耕平 2018.4.4
449 9784088806549 僕のヒーローアカデミア　８ 集英社 堀越耕平 2016.4.4
471 9784088813202 僕のヒーローアカデミア　１７ 集英社 堀越耕平 2018.2.2
488 9784088807799 僕のヒーローアカデミア　１０ 集英社 堀越耕平 2016.9.2
490 9784088806891 僕のヒーローアカデミア　９ 集英社 堀越耕平 2016.6.3
495 9784088808093 僕のヒーローアカデミア　１１ 集英社 堀越耕平 2016.11.4
497 9784088812212 僕のヒーローアカデミア　１６ 集英社 堀越耕平 2017.11.2

Haikyuu backlog

127 9784088821771 ハイキュー！！　４１ 集英社 古舘春一 2020.1.4
229 9784088821047 ハイキュー！！　４０ 集英社 古舘春一 2019.11.1
281 9784088820538 ハイキュー！！　３９ 集英社 古舘春一 2019.9.4
316 9784088818634 ハイキュー！！　３８ 集英社 古舘春一 2019.6.4
359 9784088817934 ハイキュー！！　３７ 集英社 古舘春一 2019.4.4
379 9784088817170 ハイキュー！！　３６ 集英社 古舘春一 2019.2.4
414 9784088816470 ハイキュー！！　３５ 集英社 古舘春一 2018.12.4
415 9784088815893 ハイキュー！！　３４ 集英社 古舘春一 2018.10.4
421 9784088815381 ハイキュー！！　３３ 集英社 古舘春一 2018.8.3
433 9784088815114 ハイキュー！！　３２ 集英社 古舘春一 2018.7.4
457 9784088813783 ハイキュー！！　３１ 集英社 古舘春一 2018.4.4
464 9784088813370 ハイキュー！！　３０ 集英社 古舘春一 2018.2.2
469 9784088812861 ハイキュー！！　２９ 集英社 古舘春一 2017.12.4

JJK backlog

206 9784088821689 呪術廻戦　８ 集英社 芥見下々 2020.1.4
207 9784088822181 呪術廻戦　９ 集英社 芥見下々 2020.1.4
211 9784088815169 呪術廻戦　１ 集英社 芥見下々 2018.7.4
231 9784088816081 呪術廻戦　２ 集英社 芥見下々 2018.9.4
236 9784088816661 呪術廻戦　３ 集英社 芥見下々 2018.12.4
243 9784088817569 呪術廻戦　４ 集英社 芥見下々 2019.3.4
254 9784088820767 呪術廻戦　７ 集英社 芥見下々 2019.10.4
257 9784088818283 呪術廻戦　５ 集英社 芥見下々 2019.5.2
259 9784088818764 呪術廻戦　６ 集英社 芥見下々 2019.7.4
283 9784088816722 呪術廻戦　０巻　東京都立呪術高等専門学校 集英社 芥見下々 2018.12.4

CSM backlog

204 9784088817804 チェンソーマン　１ 集英社 藤本タツキ 2019.3.4
208 9784088821719 チェンソーマン　５ 集英社 藤本タツキ 2020.1.4
218 9784088818313 チェンソーマン　２ 集英社 藤本タツキ 2019.5.2
230 9784088820163 チェンソーマン　３ 集英社 藤本タツキ 2019.8.2
235 9784088820750 チェンソーマン　４ 集英社 藤本タツキ 2019.10.4

SpyxFamily backlog

48 9784088821832 ＳＰＹ×ＦＡＭＩＬＹ　３ 集英社 遠藤達哉 2020.1.4
51 9784088820118 ＳＰＹ×ＦＡＭＩＬＹ　１ 集英社 遠藤達哉 2019.7.4
53 9784088821207 ＳＰＹ×ＦＡＭＩＬＹ　２ 集英社 遠藤達哉 2019.10.4

Jigokuraku backlog

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