Wangnan and Karaka origin

[M3 gnarkill]

Pretty simple title. I have read some theories on here about Wangnan and Karaka possibly being clones of Jahad and while they are compelling there could be a much simplier answer to what they are.

Simply put they ARE creations of Jahad just not from his genes via cloning. There are stories or rumors in the tower of Enryu creating beings out of Shinsoo but no solid details about how its done or if its even possible. Well, Wangnan and Karaka could be an experiment by Jahad into creating life using Shinsoo. Irregulars are the only ones who can freely manipulate Shinsoo to such an extent.

Manipulating Shinsoo like Baam and Jahad can do is already a godlike ability and this creation aspect feeds into the image Jahad would have of himself after becoming king.

Obviously we dont know what karaka looks like under the mask but we do have Wangnan as a specimen. Why would he look like Jahad if he was created using shinsoo? Simple...Creators create in their own likeness. This also has a deeper relegious theme that ties directly into the Christian god and their creation story. Granted the theory tying in to the Christian creation myth could be connecting non existent dots, I cant help but think Jahad would fancy himself as an almighty creator being who even holds the power to create life in his hands.

So how did Jahad learn about creating beings out of shinsoo? From the rumors and stories in the tower of Enryu performing the feat. Once he heard the stories his curiosity and competive nature kick in and take over.

All of this is loose speculation at best I admit however the possibility that at least Wangnan and maybe Karaka as well could have been created using Shinsoo, by Jahad, and in his own likeness is possible given the lore we have behind the creation of beings using Shinsoo. Am I crazy? Are there connections I'm missing with this? Is Karaka even a dude and would Jahad create a female using Shinsoo? Food for thought...

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Maybe. But SIU said not even Urek can create life, and as of the correction (a misunderstanding at the time a to who could create left, Enryu or Urek) it was meant to be Enryu only. I think that was to put Enryu in another strata from Zahard. Enryu could also kill the admin, and SIU pointedly said Zahard could never do that no matter how hard he tried. I'm pretty sure the two (creating life and killing admin) are related as they require a complete mastery of shinsoo even above Zahard. If the two are related as I suspect, and Zahard could never do one, this implies he could never do the other as well as he'd need the level of mastery that's out of his grasp for either.

That said, maybe Gong Bang is involved. And that opens up a whole realm of possibilities if so. I wouldn't be surprised if GB isn't involved at some level no matter what kind of creation the 'princes' are.

I also think we can look to the princess program to extrapolate a bit about what the prince program might be. The idea is that Zahard cannot make children by natural/conventional means. So he has to rely on genetic manipulation and test tube creations. That's something that we do know so it's not a far cry to think that the prince program, facing the same difficulties of natural birth, are also - probably - something similar. Hence why we've mostly thought cloning is the method. Then there's the fact that Wangnan and 'the boss' at least have been said so so closely favor Zahard before he got 'locked in' at his current age as an ageless ranker with immortality. That also screams 'clone'.

Although whether clones in the conventional sense (we do have precedent of genetic manipulation with his 'heirs' already with the princesses) or creations made via shinsoo to be a replication of the creator is a distinction without a difference IMO.

It's kind of like how cloning is handled in the Star Wars EU. It uses both advanced tech and occult manipulation of the force, and sometimes both, to accomplish the exact same thing. The lines between advance tech and apparent magic get blurred a bit in the fantasy genre.

 

[EternalWinter]

think that was to put Enryu in another strata from Zahard. Enryu could also kill the admin, and SIU pointedly said Zahard could never do that no matter how hard he tried.

I'm pretty sure that was midirection on SIU's part. The king has been cooped up in his palace since Phant visited him. I think while siu was telling the truth at that point, Zahad is working on awakening himself

 

[Jack Van Burace]

You guys overrate too much the ability to create life. We have seen people doing that left and right all over this series. Anyone can do It after puberty. Why resort to something so complex as Shinsoo for that?

My personal opinion is that Enryuu is one of the creators of the Tower punishing some players and NPCs.

Jahad had Kids, he shouldn't but did. Why? No Idea. Maybe he was engaged to Arlene but was a ladies man and lost her love because of It. Maybe his affairs are the reason its his greatest mistake.

And btw, Karakka is a woman pretending to be a Man. Write It down for later.

 

[Ripcord]

You guys overrate too much the ability to create life. We have seen people doing that left and right all over this series. Anyone can do It after puberty. Why resort to something so complex as Shinsoo for that?

My personal opinion is that Enryuu is one of the creators of the Tower punishing some players and NPCs.

Jahad had Kids, he shouldn't but did. Why? No Idea. Maybe he was engaged to Arlene but was a ladies man and lost her love because of It. Maybe his affairs are the reason its his greatest mistake.

And btw, Karakka is a woman pretending to be a Man. Write It down for later.

We already know that the Captain is a 3rd person seemingly related to Zahard and looks similar to Wangnan. No way Karaka is a woman. He is another lookalike to Zahard.

 

[Jack Van Burace]

We already know that the Captain is a 3rd person seemingly related to Zahard and looks similar to Wangnan. No way Karaka is a woman. He is another lookalike to Zahard.

Karakka could be a daughter. Wangnan isn't exactly like Jahad, he is a little different. What might happen is that Jahad's genes are dominant, and children always look a lot like him. What Will really blow my mind is if Karakka takes off its Mask, really is Jahad's daughter and looks an awful Lot like Rachel.

 

[shadow-v12]

No wangnan and karaka are real children of zahard reread the wangnan flashback

I also think the captain is gustang since he kept tabs on bam before as well and lets face who else could see dowon waking up and events happening in advance like that?

 

[Ripcord]

No wangnan and karaka are real children of zahard reread the wangnan flashback

I also think the captain is gustang since he kept tabs on bam before as well and lets face who else could see dowon waking up and events happening in advance like that?

In a flashback we saw the Captain looked a lot like Zahard though.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

He's wearing a mask? lol

Yeah, I think they are all clones and/or children simple as that.

 

[Siya101]

I feel like the captain dowon and cha met is jahads younger brother
Before you complain think abwt it.1) We dont know the exact number of irregulars 2) he looks like jahad and since jahad and the 10 GWs knew each other before entering the tower so they have to be related in some way. Arie hon and ari han are brothers. I think arlene and gustang are related/twins because they have opposite personalities and have the same golden eyes-for arlene look at baams eyes and see the similarities to gustangs.
Therefore the captain and jahad are brothers

 

[toil]

Fun possibility: Enryu created Wangnan and friends to put Zahard in his place (“you think you’re so special, I snapped my fingers and made a bunch more of you...”). Not sure that the timeline actually permits this idea but it’s fun.

 

[shadow-v12]

Yeah but their are 2 captains right?

Id say that the 'boss' who spoke to dowon and cha was wangnan and that after rereading the show karaka is obviously a woman

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Yeah but their are 2 captains right?

Id say that the 'boss' who spoke to dowon and cha was wangnan and that after rereading the show karaka is obviously a woman

Why do you think there are 2? The chapters and their shared knowledge (about Baam, Dowon) suggest that it's one and the same captain.

 

[Siya101]

Crazy theory

The red light district is basically a brothel. It most probably happened after jahad and co had already completed the 100th floor test. The 10FH already had kids before declaring themselves rulers of the tower and the red light district is where they were conceived their firstborns - basically the FHs first baby mamas were prostitutes. Thats also were ari han and ha yurin made their twins etc you know the story. Hwaryun also said wangnans story involves all the family heads.
When jahad and co decided to take a short break from climbing they wandered around the floor they were in and came across a brothel and NGL the gang smashed big time. Jahad got carried away and did 5 females in 2 days and that's how the princes were born having his immortality contract because jahad already cleared the 100th floor and was pseudo king in a way.

Next phase of the theory:

SIU said he bases the 10FH and jahad to the 12 olympians of greek mythology. Zeus is jahad and zeus according to mythology mated with semero (not sure of the name) however she died when zeus tried showing his godly form to her while she was pregnant so he cut his thigh so that his kid could grow inside himself. Wangnans mother had the same case and unfortunately she died and jahad took wangnans foetus like what ugo did with aladins foetus in magi. However it may seem as though jahad took a liking to wangnans mother because she was perhaps really beautiful and kinda reflected arlene in a way, thats why he decided not to kill wangnan as a foetus but rather fully fertilized him later on and sent him away with his nanny. Karaka and the others were already born and already far away from him so he was cool with that but he killed their mothers because if the story got out that he slept around it would ruin his REP. Than after the princes were born and their mothers dead he destroyed that place completely so that theres no proof it even exists and told his eldest son the story when he wanted to know but he told them that it stays among the princes with a ring but he favoured wangnan because of his mother and since wangnans mother reminded jahad of arlene wangnan was in a way like the son he never had with arlene

 

[shadow-v12]

Actually the captain isnt wearing a mask where did you get that from?

Btw there is clearly 2 captains.

1 captain is pro zahard and is the one that leaked the nest info to baam for the military

1 captain is indifferent and wants to see how far baam goes

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Actually the captain isnt wearing a mask where did you get that from?

Btw there is clearly 2 captains.

1 captain is pro zahard and is the one that leaked the nest info to baam for the military

1 captain is indifferent and wants to see how far baam goes

So why did your first captain talk Dowon out of attacking Baam?

 

[M3 gnarkill]

Actually the captain isnt wearing a mask where did you get that from?

Btw there is clearly 2 captains.

1 captain is pro zahard and is the one that leaked the nest info to baam for the military

1 captain is indifferent and wants to see how far baam goes

I dont think that actually confirmed is it?

 

[Hussy1234]

Where the hell is wangnan. I mean last time we checked he went with karaka but we know seeing karaka but no wangnan. What happened to him , where is he

 

[Dutchy]

Ja Wangnan's moniker 'Prince of the Red Light District' could simply be reference to the devil's government, referred to as the 'great prostitute' in the book of revelations.

Ehwa compared Wangnan to a baby Zygaena, which grows by consuming the jewel of 'Zygaena's flower'. The Yeon family stop baby Zygaena from growing by taking the jewel.

If taken in context of what Rachel told Wagnan about being Jahad's fatal mistake, the prince's were born to do Jahad's work but not inherit the 'seed of the king'. I'm guessing they are the reason Anak is such a big deal, as Ren was suprised that even a fake could ignite a 13 month weapon.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Where the hell is wangnan. I mean last time we checked he went with karaka but we know seeing karaka but no wangnan. What happened to him , where is he