Chapter Tower of God Chapter 482 Spoilers & Discussion

[Kenneth Latorre]

Which nobody is arguing. So who is reading what exactly?

exactly what i should ask you, since you tried arguing with me despite me saying he is comparable.

 

[cash2088]

Was Lepuv stronger than Evenkhell??

Yet, Lepuv would have killed Evk without help...

This isn’t a Urek is greater than Zahard argument because this isn’t Dragon Ball Z where you want a level of power to mean you can’t be harmed by something lower... Which isn’t true in TOG

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

You want a DBZ level power correlation.... From what we infer Urek is strong enough to not worry about Zahard killing him.,.. Nobody is saying Urek is greater than Zahard, we just aren’t going to say he’s weaker either...

then thats on you, not on me. im not agreeing with that position, as i have no reason to.

 

[cash2088]

exactly what i should ask you, since you tried arguing with me despite me saying he is comparable.

No you shouldn’t at all... really.. You should realize what you’re professing and debating. For a start!

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He’s comparable but “I NEED TO BE TOLD SOMETHING NOBODY IS ARGUING duh!!!!!!”

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“Or I believe he can’t win against Zahard”

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

then thats on you, not on me. im not agreeing with that position, as i have no reason to.

So, to be clear

You take issue that some think it's feasible that Urek is stronger than Zahard - with possible evidence

But claim with certainty that Urek is weaker than Zahard - without explicitly being started by SIU?

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

No you shouldn’t at all... really.. You should realize what you’re professing and debating. For a start!

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He’s comparable but “I NEED TO BE TOLD SOMETHING NOBODY IS ARGUING duh!!!!!!”

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“Or I believe he can’t win against Zahard”

be coherent. ive said that they were comparable, but zahard is stronger. if you dont agree with me thats on you. but i clearlyt stated that they are on the same realm of power. learn to debate better if you want people to understand what the heck you are talking about.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

@Kenneth Latorre - is it possible or not that Urek is stronger than Zahard outright?

 

[cash2088]

be coherent. ive said that they were comparable, but zahard is stronger. if you dont agree with me thats on you. but i clearlyt stated that they are on the same realm of power. learn to debate better if you want people to understand what the heck you are talking about.

Nice try, but nah... Comprehension and coherence aren’t one in the same bud!

Either way Jubei summed it up, respond to him....

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

So, to be clear

You take issue that some think it's feasible that Urek is stronger than Zahard - with possible evidence

But claim with certainty that Urek is weaker than Zahard - without explicitly being started by SIU?

100% certainty? no. it has to come from SUI's mouth to be certain. i said that in a post a while back.

I dont have a problem with people believing Urek > Zahrad, the more power to you if thats what you believe, i was just expressing that i dont know why people believe such a thing. The arguments dont convince me.

 

[SHSL_ZETSUBOU]

This contention over Urek vs Jahad is kind of pointless to be honest. We don't have enough information to say for certain on who is stronger either way and SIU has never definitively commented on it.

Though I will point out that if we look at the few things Urek could do to raise his rank above Jahad. For example copying what Enryu or Phantaminum did. I have to question whether Urek would even be willing to do those things. Let's say that Urek hypothetically could kill an Administrator... The problem is that it would basically mean the destruction of a whole floor and most likely countless lives lost. I'm not sure he would be willing to through with that fight just to raise his rank.

And doing what Phantaminum did would put all of WT at risk. Even if he did kill Jahad, the weaker members of WT would have to constantly watch their back from supporters of Jahad.

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

@Kenneth Latorre - is it possible or not that Urek is stronger than Zahard outright?

didnt see this post, answered with your post above

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

100% certainty? no. it has to come from SUI's mouth to be certain. i said that in a post a while back.

I dont have a problem with people believing Urek > Zahrad, the more power to you if thats what you believe, i was just expressing that i dont know why people believe such a thing. The arguments dont convince me.

Ok, so you leave room to the possibility. Fair enough.

But, again, you don't really acknowledge the potential evidence you just say it's not convincing.

Your first post made it seem like you were open for debate and understanding. When you were just essentially stating your opinion under the guise of wanting to understand the thought-process, no?

 

[sazon]

Guys, you are expanding this conversation by Zahard x Urek too much, you will end up generating a post with more than 30 pages and running away from the topic, making it difficult to find the translated chapter later.

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

Ok, so you leave room to the possibility. Fair enough.

But, again, you don't really acknowledge the potential evidence you just say it's not convincing.

Your first post made it seem like you were open for debate and understanding. When you were just essentially stating your opinion under the guise of wanting to understand the thought-process, no?

I actually want to see why people believe urek > zahard. the arguments ive seen are not convincing for urek, they are more about them being comparable, which is what i was trying to install into the others users head, which he for some reason was agreeing with me, by disagreeing with me... if that makes sense.

if you are one of those people, i wouldnt mind seeing the explanations. im not shushing anyone, so if it came off like that, oops i guess.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Too many extraneous comments about extraneous comments in here.

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I actually want to see why people believe urek > zahard. the arguments ive seen are not convincing for urek, they are more about them being comparable, which is what i was trying to install into the others users head, which he for some reason was agreeing with me, by disagreeing with me... if that makes sense.

if you are one of those people, i wouldnt mind seeing the explanations. im not shushing anyone, so if it came off like that, oops i guess.

In my first post to you I put up 4 reasons that hint at the possibilities. They mostly lend credence to a POSSIBILITY of a slight edge he might have over Zahard. But, again, no one is stating anything with certainty, just saying there's a likelihood.

Not that it matters because the admin-lite are taking issue with the discussion, so take it elsewhere...

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

Guys, you are expanding this conversation by Zahard x Urek too much, you will end up generating a post with more than 30 pages and running away from the topic, making it difficult to find the translated chapter later.

to make it easier, the first comment on this thread could update their comment to feature the update. i think that would help a lot in people who dont want to go though all these comments. its a good practice in other forums ive been to.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

FWIW, we see the first hints at what Zahard is capable in battle in this chapter.

So wondering just what an full-powered irregular can do and if Urek is comparable or greater is a tertiary issue, yet somewhat relevant in that regard.

to make it easier, the first comment on this thread could update their comment to feature the update. i think that would help a lot in people who dont want to go though all these comments. its a good practice in other forums ive been to.

On this we agree.

Put it on page 1 then it's non-issue. Though I suspect that's not the real issue (not wanting to read something they deem OT)

 

[cash2088]

I actually want to see why people believe urek > zahard. the arguments ive seen are not convincing for urek, they are more about them being comparable, which is what i was trying to install into the others users head, which he for some reason was agreeing with me, by disagreeing with me... if that makes sense.

if you are one of those people, i wouldnt mind seeing the explanations. im not shushing anyone, so if it came off like that, oops i guess.

I gave you the reason why people believe it...

Zahard is the KING of an Empire if influence accounts for your rank how much does it account in Zahard’s?

1 spot?

2 spots??

Phanta is an axis= Nobody is stronger he literally can control the universe - he doesn’t factor in to this debate.

Enryu is a messenger who is clearly stronger than Zahard there is no debate on that either. His feat is something Zahard couldn’t accomplish...

Now when it comes to Urek, the debate in question one must understand is how much does either of their influences play in their ranking? So we can understand what is based on strength alone.

if we minus Zahard’s influence would he rank lower than Urek? It’s quite possible, being only ONE rank apart while having infinitely more influence as the KING, which would indicate that Urek is physically superior as his rank is mostly his ability..

This evidence which you said was not evidence is what is being debated...

Admit you never wanted to understand why people believe it, because you’re too stuck in your belief Zahard is greater until SIU tells ya otherwise... I personally don’t believe Urek is stronger, at most I think he’s equal... Even then it wouldn’t surprise me if he were indeed weaker.
Don’t try to move the goal posts later... I didn’t agree by disagreement, I simply offered you what you asked for.

Again, comprehension...

 

[Demonspeed]

is there a reason why people want to believe urek is stronger than zahard? ive been looking through the comic and blogs to see if theres any hint of such a thing. ive seen none. the closest is garam wanting him to fight zahard, and thats only because he is an irregular, not because he is factually stronger.

The arguments for Urek are not convincing either. if someone like enryu and phanta can push zahard down because of power alone, Urek would have done so if he was also stronger, especially since Urek actually has influence on the tower, unlike the top 2 one-time wonder boys.

Zahard > Urek until proven otherwise. Needs to come from SUI's mouth himself.

It's a matter of opinion. What is clear is that Baam and Urek are the only ones with the potential to defeat him.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

I'll go on record and say I think Urek is stronger, and capable.

This isn't a desire of mine, I just think that's what the story is hinting at.