Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2021] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Red Sprite had the "Its replacing Bleach" thing going on in the internet at the time

 

[c3pman]

I'm just doing my own (and personal) prediction on how I think the series will perform through the whole year 2021. And there are some reasons why I classified the different series:

- Build King will have a strong promotion (and unless it performs really really bad) the editorial team will keep it on the magazine.
- I have doubts about Sakamoto Days but I think its author could be able to deliver something different to the current roaster and this could help it to perform well.
- And about the possible axed series, including Magu-chan and Phantom Seer is about statistic: WSJ will release probably around 10 new series (because it is how the magazine and Jump, as a business, works), so in order to have all these new spots, they will have to axe around 7-8... so I think the odds of having Magu-chan and Phantom Seer are high (along with HSF, AB, Moriking, Cop and Dolphin and Our Blood Oath).

people seem to base a series success chances on the general reception it gets in the first few chapters. Of course the problem with that is most people here only get western views or an extremely limited set from Twitter. If you go back to when it started there were people calling TPGW a success already and I wasn't around but I'm sure Red Sprite had it as well.

My opinion is not based actually on the general reception in the first chapters because I know it's too soon to know how they will perform; as I said before: Build King - veteran author and Jump editors pushing it to be a hit; Sakamoto Days - different approach to the other series on the roaster, it could differentiate itself from the others manga and stand out.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

The thread of poll and comment voting for the issue #1 will be closed in few hours and results posted, so if any of you didn't voted yet and want to do, please do quickly: https://mangahelpers.com/forum/thre...-vote-for-your-favorite-series.3017883/page-2

 

[Ryuusei]

Honto Daily Ranking - 12/5

#1 Kimetsu no Yaiba 23
#2 Kimetsu no Yaiba Gaiden
#9 Kaijuu No.8 1
#10 Kimetsu no Yaiba 23 Special Edition
#32 Jigokuraku 12
#45 Ayakashi Triangle 2
#65 Undead Unluck 4
#78 Yuuna and the Haunted Hotsprings 24
#90 2.5 Dimension 7

 

[OtterBrigade]

as I said before: Build King - veteran author and Jump editors pushing it to be a hit

to be fair though that doesn't really mean much as Samurai 8 showed. I didn't realize the person I was replying to was talking about you though since I have seen multiple people making the same claims of those two being "safe" so I apologize.

 

[Manjiknights]

I have trouble finding a reason to put Magu-chan and Roboco in different tiers of safety right now when they’re pretty much neck-and-neck in almost every way. Both first volumes were very close to each other in sales (Magu was ahead initially but Roboco ultimately edged it out slightly due to more stable stock; either way the numbers weren’t far apart at all). People have been citing Roboco having much higher ToC placements as evidence that it’s safer but this week turned everything around; if Magu keeps hovering around the first quarter or at least the first half for a few more weeks then it’ll have experienced pretty much the same pattern Roboco did. Either way, both of them are clearly ahead of their similar-genre contemporaries in the magazine (if we’re not counting Mashle as a straight comedy anymore) unless HSF pulls out miracle sales, and as I’ve said we don’t know for certain whether Sakamoto will stay episodic action comedy or go into more serious arcs. Basically I think Magu and Roboco should both be in safe tier for at least half a year’s worth of serialization rounds and we’ll have to see if they grow a bit with volume 2—I‘m fairly confident Magu will, Roboco probably will too since its later chapters are generally better received than its earlier ones. It’s too early to call either one of them more likely to get axed over the other imo.

 

[Stivie]

I think next year there will be no veterans finished next year.

Black clover and Dr. stone, I believe they will survive for another year.

Yozakura will reach 100 chapters, but I don't know if that will reach 200 chapters.

Undead, mashle and ayakashi are saved.

Corp and doulphin will have plenty of time to recover, after all it is the series of a veteran author. Build king is also the same, regardless of your situation and it will not be canceled with less than 19 chapters.

Agravity ... I can't say.

the others I believe are on the cancellation list.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

In my opinion Roboco is 100% safe, is clearly popular and is their best selling new (traditional) gag series since Isobe, so it has pretty much a sweet spot in the magazine at the moment.

Edit: I know Tomatoypoo did well but it got moved to Plus quickly.

 

[Stivie]

In my opinion Roboco is 100% safe, is clearly popular and is their best selling new (traditional) gag series since Isobe, so it has pretty much a sweet spot in the magazine at the moment.

Edit: I know Tomatoypoo did well but it got moved to Plus quickly.

This is not a doubt, Roboko is safe. sold 10K and could very well be placed in the bottom positions like any traditional gag.
but it will be good for sales to increase to provide more security.

 

[Teennitro]

I know Tomatoypoo did well but it got moved to Plus quickly.

I completely forgot this was in Shonen jump in 2017. I remember this manga had the most obscure references and it's still ongoing in Jump plus

 

[Stivie]

I have trouble finding a reason to put Magu-chan and Roboco in different tiers of safety right now when they’re pretty much neck-and-neck in almost every way. Both first volumes were very close to each other in sales (Magu was ahead initially but Roboco ultimately edged it out slightly due to more stable stock; either way the numbers weren’t far apart at all). People have been citing Roboco having much higher ToC placements as evidence that it’s safer but this week turned everything around; if Magu keeps hovering around the first quarter or at least the first half for a few more weeks then it’ll have experienced pretty much the same pattern Roboco did. Either way, both of them are clearly ahead of their similar-genre contemporaries in the magazine (if we’re not counting Mashle as a straight comedy anymore) unless HSF pulls out miracle sales, and as I’ve said we don’t know for certain whether Sakamoto will stay episodic action comedy or go into more serious arcs. Basically I think Magu and Roboco should both be in safe tier for at least half a year’s worth of serialization rounds and we’ll have to see if they grow a bit with volume 2—I‘m fairly confident Magu will, Roboco probably will too since its later chapters are generally better received than its earlier ones. It’s too early to call either one of them more likely to get axed over the other imo.

Well, many complained about the fact that phantom seer is like jujutsu and has the monster of the week.
With sakamoto it can be similar if it is only in isolated chapters and does not develop something now.
We saw, for example, that yozakura spent a lot of time at the botton with only episodic chapters and took too long to present a plot.
And corp and douphin, well he presented the plot in the first 4 chapters, but left it aside to focus on more episodic chapters, and that took the hype out of the story.
I think sakamoto has to present a plot and show something different as quickly as possible to not lose interest to people.

 

[Blink22]

At least 2020 has started the new decade off with some hits. I still have PTSD from 2010 when there were absolutely no new hits that started that decade. Wouldn’t be until late 2011 when Nisekoi would be the decade’s first success.

 

[tirakai]

At least 2020 has started the new decade off with some hits. I still have PTSD from 2010 when there were absolutely no new hits that started that decade. Wouldn’t be until late 2011 when Nisekoi would be the decade’s first success.

2010 I think was the first year I started following new jump manga (not the ToC, just coming across random series that were new), I remember it had a few different series that started off really well but just couldn't keep it up. Like Lock On! which was one of those rare series that got a colour page but still ended U19.

There's only 3 other years like that, even including Jump's very early days where things worked a bit differently there's just 1969, 1974, and 2003 from what I can see at a quick check.

 

[Rukasu]

Well, that's awkward.... who could've guessed the 3,95 million first print wouldn't be enough???

 

[Ryuusei]

Shoseki Daily Ranking - 12/5

Jump

#1 Kimetsu no Yaiba 23
#2 Kimetsu no Yaiba Gaiden
#34 Ayakashi Triangle 2
#43 Undead Unluck 4
#55 Yuuna and the Haunted Hotsprings 24
#93 Honomieru Shounen 1

Jump+

#7 Kaijuu No.8 1
#18 Jigokuraku 12
#74 2.5 Dimension 7
#88 Mato Seihei no Slave 6
#107 Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi 4
#254 Ghost Girl 1
#450 I Was Picked Up 4

 

[Aipom626]

Shoseki Daily Ranking - 12/5

Jump

#1 Kimetsu no Yaiba 23
#2 Kimetsu no Yaiba Gaiden
#34 Ayakashi Triangle 2
#43 Undead Unluck 4
#55 Yuuna and the Haunted Hotsprings 24
#93 Honomieru Shounen 1

Jump+

#7 Kaijuu No.8 1
#18 Jigokuraku 12
#74 2.5 Dimension 7
#88 Mato Seihei no Slave 6
#107 Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi 4
#254 Ghost Girl 1
#450 I Was Picked Up 4

Decent hold for everything nameworthy except for Ghost Girl. I'm pretty bummed out to see it tanking as badly as it is since I thought it was both well-drawn and funny.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 6, 2020, Original Post Date: Dec 6, 2020 ---

Also, Yozakura Family 5 is back at #319!

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Phantom Seer hold very well in the 2nd day, in a matter of "ranking" it dropped way less than Magu-chan, Dolphin and Roboco:

Magu-chan

Vol.1: #40 > #89

Cop & Dolphin

Vol.1: #63 > #91

Me & Roboco

Vol.1: #44 > #90

Phantom Seer

Vol.1: #76 > #93

 

[Griff]

What are your predictions for best selling mangas of 2021? I have problems ranking 8 to 10...

1. Kimetsu no Yaiba
2. Jujutsu Kaisen
3. Kingdom
4. One Piece
5. Spy x Family
6. My Hero Academia
7. Attack on Titan
8. Kaijuu 8 (Not sure)
9. Tokyo Revengers (Not sure)
10. Fire Force (Not sure)

 

[Aipom626]

Phantom Seer hold very well in the 2nd day, in a matter of "ranking" it dropped way less than Magu-chan, Dolphin and Roboco:

Magu-chan

Vol.1: #40 > #89

Cop & Dolphin

Vol.1: #63 > #91

Me & Roboco

Vol.1: #44 > #90

Phantom Seer

Vol.1: #76 > #93

To be fair for Magu-chan and Roboco, most of that was them falling fully underneath the Kimetsu/JJK wall since they managed to break in between it for their first days. I think Dolphin might've been over a few too, plus the Chainsaw Man backlog was thriving back then too. I believe Phantom Seer started underneath essentially all of Kimetsu/JJK's backlog

 

[Minsel]

Yozakura at #319 in 12/5 shoseki