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I hope this new lot doesn't have gags, and it dyes a more serious manga
I dont think theres a need for a gag to join unless they take one out.

I think they need a sports series, a romance series, a sci-fi series, and something classy and refined.
 

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Never posted my thoughts last week as I didn't read when they came out and frankly wasn't impressed by most series apart from MHA and JJK. Thankfully this issue was much better:

Great:
1. Jujutsu Kaisen - I'm thoroughly enjoying this arc; loving how its brought together scattered elements from across the story into this clash. I thought Shibuya arc was going to be the highlight of Jujutsu Kaisen but this is already more interesting.​
2. My Hero Academia - Nice to see familiar faces back after being absent for so long, and even more thrilled with that final page. Very keen to see where this new Deku is going to go.​
3. One Piece - Even though I'm not the biggest fan of the Wano characters featured in this chapter I thought it was a nice wrap-up to their dilemma, and now we're back to the battle that matters. Seeming even more unlikely that Wano won't end this year at this rate...​
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Good:
4. Me & Roboco - After last week's definite miss I welcome the return of the Roboco mangaka storyline, always gives me plenty of chuckles with all the parodies and this was no different.​
5. Sakamoto Days - Liked the new character introduced, another fun chapter with a pretty cool pay off at the end.​
6. Nine Dragons' Ball Parade - Again, Nine Dragons tackles the tropes with such confidence, never falling for the cliches despite things going the way you expect. It manages to feel mature and sensible and well-earned all at once. Looking forward to seeing how this new characters is introduced.​
7. Black Clover - Asta coming in to save the day with his anti-magic has been done about 48 times at this point but it's still cool, still fun. Liked the way it carried on with the flashback as well.​
8. Undead Unluck - Not quite as impactful as the confrontation surrounding Winter but another really solid chapter.​
9. High School Family: Kokosei Kazoku - I think the dad might be my new favourite. His chapters never fail to make me laugh. I've enjoyed the series even more since the 15 page increase.​
10. Mashle - Nice break from the action, Mash back with his comedy. Good stuff.​
11. WITCH WATCH - Maybe the best chapter so far? Very much welcome this new member of the cast; at this point we need things to shake up the rather boring routine we're already in between the lead characters.​
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Fine:
12. Phantom Seer - It's a decent power-up but not anything special at this point. I will continue to give the series points however for allowing its female MC to also stand up and deliver when it comes to action.​
13. The Elusive Samurai - Glad this little game is wrapped up, liked how it concluded but definitely ready for the next stage of the story to kick off now.​
14. Hard-Boiled Cop and Dolphin - Bordering between silly and serious in a way that I'm not sure about. Kind of just want it to wrap up now for its own good.​
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Bad:
15. Mission: Yozakura Family - One mega powerful and dramatic flashback after another is becoming very tiring.​
16. Magu-chan: God of Destruction - One of the better chapters in a while thanks to the cherry blossom stuff but this new character is plain annoying.​
17. I tell c - Well, I guess this is the real start of the series? Can't tell if this was planned or a slapdash attempt at restarting for new readers to latch onto it but either way it's not very good.​
18. Build King - First time in a while it's not been my least favourite of the week, at least!​
19. Ayakashi Triangle - This mirror stuff is zzzz.​
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I hope this new lot doesn't have gags, and it dyes a more serious manga
This conversation deserves to die a death but there is seriously only two gag manga right now, a slice of life with comedy/fantasy elements, and a romcom that even had action this week. Everything else is a hybrid or is a series of another genre that has jokes in it. If we get some new comedies it'll be absolutely fair, especially if it offsets the fourteen or fifteen action-focused series right now (though personally I'd love another sports manga).
 
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I dont think theres a need for a gag to join unless they take one out.

I think they need a sports series, a romance series, a sci-fi series, and something classy and refined.
Sports series, romance series, science fiction series can be serious, no matter the genre.

And I think there is a need to reduce the amount of gag to have something to make up for the losses in 2020.
 

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Great issue all around, JJK was probably the standout for me this week. And yeah it is looking like Seer is definitely ending, my guess is that Cop and Dolphin will head out with it.
 

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Build King seems to have suddenly rushed in two more new kinds of powers this chapter, as if it's shoving in all the later ideas in last minute to show off what it would do if it continued (like Toriko's last chapter). Feels like it's starting the final battles and getting ready to end in a few more chapters.

I guess it's also still possible that it's doing all this as a final attempt to be popular rather than because it's ending, but that seems unlikely considering it's been completely dead in the ToC. The first volume for it and Sakamoto are out next week, right?
 

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Dolphin and BK are dead, and everything else looks fine, bar PS. I don't believe in Phantom Seer death just yet though, so I'm calling a timeskipped Part 2 on Jump+
 

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Sports series, romance series, science fiction series can be serious, no matter the genre.

And I think there is a need to reduce the amount of gag to have something to make up for the losses in 2020.
Losses? We just had one of the longer running gag series in awhile -> AgravityBoys was a successful hit reaching the one year mark, and was sci-fi (which is why we need another sci-fi).
 

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Losses? We just had one of the longer running gag series in awhile -> AgravityBoys was a successful hit reaching the one year mark, and was sci-fi (which is why we need another sci-fi).
Agravity boys were a terrible syfy. At the very least it was a comedy, ok.
 

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We moved to Central European Summer Time this weekend and this means that the chapters come out one (perceived) hour later now. Let's see if they were worth the wait:

1. Sakamoto Days: There are many mangas that should learn from this one about how to introduce new characters in a funny and captivating way. I already love the new assassin and the chapter climax was great. Let's see how this manga will fare in the Trial of the Sales.
2. My Hero Academia: Nice chapter to introduce the new arc and the new atmoshpere that comes with it. It really gives the feel that playtime is over now!
3. Mission: Yozakura Family: Many are getting tired of all the Bloomings and the battles that all follow the same script. Personally, I enjoyed this battle more than those that were before it. Kengo's Bankai was original in how it closes the fight without actually fighting, Shion's could have been elaborated more but it doesn't matter, now it's time for the main event!
4. Hard-boiled Cop and Dolphin: "...And kids, this is the story of How I Met Your Mother". If it goes full Ted Mosby, we don't have to worry for it to end anytime sooner! Jokes aside, a little celebration for reaching chapter 36 and living more than Moriking at least.
5. Jujutsu Kaisen: Actually, I don't have anything particular to say about this chapter. It's just such a good read that even when nothing stands out is still one of the best chapters of the week.
6. Magu-chan: God of Destruction: Funny chapter, Ruru is a bit obsessed about those cherry blossoms and I fear that her comedy skit with straight-faced Muscar can grow old fast. I am enjoying it while it's still funny.
7. The Elusive Samurai: I liked the arc and even the closure. I fear that every arc may be hit or miss with this series, this one was good but let's wait for the next. Speaking of jokes that risk of getting tired fast, I have already enough of those "In the future..." fourth wall bits.
8. Nine Dragons' Ball parade: I liked the idea of them caring so much for their new team member to take over the shop for him. I liked much less the arrival of the Dad-ex-machina that relieved them of their duties. The new character they have set their eyes on looks promising.
9. Undead Unluck: I know Shen has a pretty strong fanbase, but he didn't ever click with me much. Will he be able to use this arc to make me change my mind?
10. One Piece: The usual average chapter of One Piece that gets an average placement. Many things happening at once and furious jumps to one scene to another without any glimpse of resolution. Better luck next week I guess.
11. High School Family: I don't really know how moving to 15 pages a chapter improved this manga, but it sure did! We also have the true villain of the series now. He should ally with the one from Magu to take revenge on those pitiful middle-aged humans.
12. Me & Roboco: Well, after a prominent losing streak we got a funny chapter again. Problem is, it had to resort to old ideas and the good old party of parodies to become an enjoyable chapter again. So I have to demote it for lack of effort, hoping that one day it will return funny AND original again.
13. Mashle: There were a couple of funny moments that made it for a good chapter. Other than that, I hope Macaron will prove himself as a worthy opponent, Mash needs a worthy opponent so much now.
14. Phantom Seer: I can see it ending in a chapter or two with the arc closure and an open finale, or I can see it take a slightly longer route to conclude some storylines. Surely next week doesn't seem "the beginning of the final phase" but rather "the conclusion of a phase". Curious about how all this situation will be handled.
15. Witch Watch: It's good that we get a new character, expecially because it kept doing all those chapters with just the two of them. But I miss the weird classroom so much, it's all so funnier when they are at school.
16. i tell c: So, here comes the desperate reset. Was it planned from the beginning or is it the last attempt to avoid an early axe? Surely I'm not hooked for now, but only time will tell.
17. Ayakashi Triangle: A chapter devoid of all the fanservice (except for a certain panel towards the end), so all the appeal had to be found in the story...only this story is quite boring and feels like a filler arc of sorts. This manga has seen better days.
18. Black Clover: Come on, again? Anti magic feels like cheating at this point, and intervening like this has spoiled all the drama built to arrive at that situation. Asta should be a good Seiya and fight only the first and the last baddie of every arc, and leave the spotlight to his allies when needed.
19. Build King: Things are going so fast that nothing can leave me any kind of impression, neither good nor bad. It's just 19 extra pages to my Jump reading routine at this point.
 

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Maybe in your opinion.
I loved the creativity and how high concept so much of the sci-fi was. It really gave it a unique identity.
your opinion, I respect.

But agravity had nothing to do with Syfy, he was just focused on comedy.

There was no way to make any theory, or speculation about future events. In that he was empty.
 

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We moved to Central European Summer Time this weekend and this means that the chapters come out one (perceived) hour later now. Let's see if they were worth the wait:


16. i tell c: So, here comes the desperate reset. Was it planned from the beginning or is it the last attempt to avoid an early axe? Surely I'm not hooked for now, but only time will tell.
I think you're letting go of hate.

it was just the presentation of the villain, and the most recent jump manga have done a lot of that in the last few years: Muzan, Getou, Isabella and Makima were the main villains that appeared very early.
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I'm not sure you know what science fiction is, colleague.
Science fiction (usually shortened to SF, FC, sci-fi or scifi) is a genre of speculative fiction, which normally deals with fictional and imaginative concepts, related to the future, science and technology, and their impacts and / or consequences in a specification society or its customers.

Agravity boys failed to do that. it was more comedy.
 

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Science fiction (usually shortened to SF, FC, sci-fi or scifi) is a genre of speculative fiction, which normally deals with fictional and imaginative concepts, related to the future, science and technology, and their impacts and / or consequences in a specification society or its customers.

Agravity boys failed to do that. it was more comedy.
I don't even know how to respond to this. It shows you clearly have not read the series given how every single arc and nearly every chapter was stuffed with high concept science fiction scenarios, characters, and technologies.
 

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Sports series, romance series, science fiction series can be serious, no matter the genre.

And I think there is a need to reduce the amount of gag to have something to make up for the losses in 2020.
I don't understand why you keep bringing up the losses of 2020 like it's the end of the world

In 2016 Jump lost Bleach, Toriko, Nisekoi, Assassination Classroom, Nisekoi

They gained Yuuna, Kimetsu, Promised Neverland. Remember, early Kimetsu doesn't gain traction until volume ~4
In 2017 they gained We Never Learn, Dr Stone, short lived Robot x Laserbeam
In 2018 they gained Jujutsu Kaisen and (Act Age), and early Act Age doesn't sell until volume 4

It took them 3 years to have a sizeable line ups from 2016
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In 2020 they lost Neverland, Haikyuu, Chainsawman (issue #2 is around November), (Act-Age), We Neverland (issue 3/4 is also around november)

Near the end of 2019 they have Yozakura which is stable now
In 2020 they have Undead, Mashle, Ayakashi which are stable now
End of 2020 they have Sakamoto which could be the next big thing, the rest from the batch is questionable

We are only 3 months in of 2021, and you already want series selling 500k/volume
By point is, these things take time and idk why you want to rush this.
 

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I don't even know how to respond to this. It shows you clearly have not read the series given how every single arc and nearly every chapter was stuffed with high concept science fiction scenarios, characters, and technologies.
And all of that was left out. It was not properly explored.
 

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And all of that was left out. It was not properly explored.
It was a comedy Sci-Fi. If you just don't enjoy comedies thats fine. But it never presented itself as being a serious toned shonen. Jump is a variety magazine, with a mix of serious toned series, gag, light hearted shonen, sports, romcom, and ecchi. It's never going to be a magazine filled with serious stuff.

That doesn't make it any less a Sci-Fi. It did explore those things from what i've read though.
 

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It was a comedy Sci-Fi. If you just don't enjoy comedies thats fine. But it never presented itself as being a serious toned shonen. Jump is a variety magazine, with a mix of serious toned series, gag, light hearted shonen, sports, romcom, and ecchi. It's never going to be a magazine filled with serious stuff.

That doesn't make it any less a Sci-Fi. It did explore those things from what i've read though.
I already said. It's just my opinion.
As comedy, agravity was fun and cool. But as a syfy he was weak.

There is no need for this discussion, the manga has already been canceled.
 

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Yozakura was pretty much exactly what I would've expected based off the past two fights, whether that's good or bad is up to you

Mashle was good, nice to have a more comedic chapter in between the more action heavy stuff. Some jokes landed, some didn't, about what I would expect from the series

Undead was great, genuinely looking forward to how this Summer arc goes

Ayakashi was alright, this arc is still going, but it's at least interesting enough to not be bored by

Magu was about as funny as usual, but I'm not sure what the plan is for Muscar though. It seems he might become part of the main cast, but I had him pegged as the end boss for whenever the series decides to end. Still could be both I guess

Dolphin was decent, the gag at the start was probably the funniest it's ever been, but the action didn't do much for me. Big lore stuff next chapter is interesting enough

Thankfully, after the dud last week, Roboco fired back with one of it's best. It's manga-centered chapters are some of it's best and this one delivered

Phantom was good, entertaining action and the art was firing on all cylinders. Not gonna waste time speculating if this is the end or not, but if it ended here, as saddened as I would be, it could be worse.

HSF had another great chapter, most of the gags landed very well. The ending makes me think we might have something of a main plot getting set up

Build King had a boring action chapter with characters I don't care about, and the lore wasn't very interesting this time. Even with a veteran author, I wouldn't be surprised if this went very soon

Sakamoto was great, new character was funny, gags landed well, and the last page was great

Elusive was also great, solid conclusion to this arc. Hopefully it carries this momentum over to the next arc

So i tell c was just setting up the prologue. While this does seem to confirm it's not necessarily on the fast track to axe-town, I still don't like it very much. I'm not really invested at all after the first chapters, and I'm not big on the chief character

Witch was good, solid humor as usual. Hopefully this new character brings an interesting dynamic to the series, as what it needs most is to expand out from just Moi and Niko

Kowloon was pretty good, solid resolution to this arc and I'm already interested in the next character. Pacing is very slow, but I don't mind it

OP and JJK were great this week as well
 
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