The Israel-Palestine crisis

[Rein Avara]

The bible prophesizes war on the plains of megiddo. Perhaps it is inevitable. But I would prefer to avoid it if possible.

Indeed it's the end times. God be with us.

 

[xi0]

Trump imposed harsh sanctions against iran waging a military campaign against iranian leaders like general Soleimani.

Democrats countered by helping iran acquire nukes by green lighting the iran nuclear deal as soon as Joe Biden was sworn in.

It never has been a one sided issue.

Again, explain to me how the US's Iran policy is related to Israel expanding it's territory illegally and them killing civilians in Gaza?

I said the Israel-Palestine conflict was onesided.

 

[Sanity Check]

Again, explain to me how the US's Iran policy is related to Israel expanding it's territory illegally and them killing civilians in Gaza?

I said the Israel-Palestine conflict was onesided.

One might say the united states attacking iraq & removing Saddam Hussein post 9/11 was an illegal expansion of territory.

China's expansion into hong kong, taiwan and the south china sea might be labeled an illegal expansion of territory.

There are many illegal expansions occurring atm but for whatever reason israel and russia are the only ones lambasted by the media for it.

No issues here for those who believe the Israel-Palestine conflict is one sided.

People can think whatever they want.

We will all pay the price and face the consequences, together.

 

[M3J]

USA has a history of expanding territories illegally, it's how it was literally found.

And Israel is rarely ever "lambasted" by the media, it actually defends them/tries to make them look good while demonizing Palestine. The Israel-Palestine conflict is one-sided, with Israel having the advantage thanks to Western countries arming it and giving it money, while Palestinians get almost nothing but killed.

 

[kkck]

One might say the united states attacking iraq & removing Saddam Hussein post 9/11 was an illegal expansion of territory.

China's expansion into hong kong, taiwan and the south china sea might be labeled an illegal expansion of territory.

There are many illegal expansions occurring atm but for whatever reason israel and russia are the only ones lambasted by the media for it.

No issues here for those who believe the Israel-Palestine conflict is one sided.

People can think whatever they want.

We will all pay the price and face the consequences, together.

The US invading iraq was based on a lie and was a catastrophic mistake whose consequences will continue to be felt for decades to come...

The chinese government is definitely not a saint.

Israel is definitely the aggressor this time around (and in general), hamas is in fact a terrorist organization and a decent amount of palestian folk are not exactly screaming for peace with israel.

but what the fuck does any of this have to do with Biden's iran policy for the past five months?

 

[xi0]

One might say the united states attacking iraq & removing Saddam Hussein post 9/11 was an illegal expansion of territory.

China's expansion into hong kong, taiwan and the south china sea might be labeled an illegal expansion of territory.

There are many illegal expansions occurring atm but for whatever reason israel and russia are the only ones lambasted by the media for it.

No issues here for those who believe the Israel-Palestine conflict is one sided.

People can think whatever they want.

We will all pay the price and face the consequences, together.

You're still skirting the question and not addressing how Biden's strategy with Iran has any bearing on what Israel is currently doing.

The US and China aren't lambasted for what you just mentioned? It seems you're paying attention to the wrong sources...

One-sided as in Israel has every strategical advantage.

 

[Raven]

Israeli crimes, Story #2
Raiding and looting hotels in the UAE

Spoiler

Israel and the UAE agreed in September, 2020 to establish diplomatic relations. Therefore, Tourism flights between the two countries has been increasing drastically, It was estimated to be around 50 tourism flights weekly from Israel to UAE. Each flight carries 160 Israeli tourist, About 8000 Israeli spending their vacation in hotels per week, So all hotels in the UAE was crowded as fuck in that time.. Staff of hotels noticed that items in rooms are missing many items and resorted to assemble the remaining Israeli tourists in the hotel lobbies, and being to search them for stolen items from the rooms. They found that they pile up their bags before leaving with Items that belongs to the hotels and everyone from the staff was shocked because in their entire carrier life, they never seen thieves in large numbers that don't each other and share the same behavior of stealing.

A testimony from an hotel manager in Dubai while he is showing the items that get stolen, Not a complete video but the full one is missing:



The context

“We host hundreds of tourists from all countries of the world. Some of them create problems, but we have not seen items stolen before,” said a manager of a hotel overlooking the world’s tallest building the Burj Khalifa.

Recently, we have seen Israeli tourists come to the hotel and pile up all their bags, stealing towels, tea and coffee bags, and even lamps, One time an Israeli family came with two children to check-out. We discovered that things were missing in the room. When the hotel staff tried to tell them that things in the room in which they were staying were missing. They started screaming. After the conversation, they finally agreed to open their bag. And, we discovered that they had ice containers, hangers, and face towels. After we told them that we would inform the police, they decided to return the things and apologized.

He also insult Israeli tourists lmao, I won't translate that.

--- Double Post Merged, May 15, 2021, Original Post Date: May 15, 2021 ---

Next one is about how Israel was created and their war crimes before 1948, It isn't known to lot of people and I'd like to write a story short about it. I will need to read a lot to remember. It Doesn't matter tho. Anything to expose them

--- Double Post Merged, May 15, 2021 ---

Israeli crimes, Story #1 and Israel/Palestine history shorts #1

The Israel-Palestine crisis

Gotta love how Israel can get away with bombing indiscriminately, but if Hamas retaliates, they're in the wrong (of course they are, but Israel deserves to be criticized too). And that's on top of Israel already kicking out Palestinians from their land and homes and killing them.

mangahelpers.com

 

[Sanity Check]

You're still skirting the question and not addressing how Biden's strategy with Iran has any bearing on what Israel is currently doing.

The US and China aren't lambasted for what you just mentioned? It seems you're paying attention to the wrong sources...

One-sided as in Israel has every strategical advantage.

I think we all see rockets being launched @ israel.

Everyone knows the united states funds iranian nuclear development. Even the media refers to democrats deal with iran as "the iran nuclear deal".

Those funds trickle down to hezbollah, hamas and whatever groups launch rockets at israel.

What happens if iran develops nukes and rockets launched at israel are eventually nuclear tipped.

What do people expect israel to do with that future threat in mind.

 

[Raven]

 

[kkck]

I think we all see rockets being launched @ israel.

Everyone knows the united states funds iranian nuclear development. Even the media refers to democrats deal with iran as "the iran nuclear deal".

Those funds trickle down to hezbollah, hamas and whatever groups launch rockets at israel.

What happens if iran develops nukes and rockets launched at israel are eventually nuclear tipped.

What do people expect israel to do with that future threat in mind.

But... there isn't any iran deal in place right now and there hasn't been one for years. There are no 'iran deal funds" at all in in play. And if there were an iran deal, what you are saying would still be nonsense.

 

[Sanity Check]

But... there isn't any iran deal in place right now and there hasn't been one for years.

Biden’s $90 Billion Bailout to Tehran

Rejoining the Iran deal could undo years of progress in the Middle East.

foreignpolicy.com

Democratic Party leaders urge Biden to rejoin Iran deal, lift Trump’s ‘bad-faith sanctions’

Dozens of Democrats around the country are offering President Biden “strong support” for rejoining the Iran nuclear deal.In a letter to Biden sent Monday, 53 state Democratic Party leaders and Demo…

thehill.com

Democrats back up Biden bid to return to Iran nuclear deal

Twenty-seven Senate Democrats backed President Biden’s efforts to rejoin the Iran nuclear deal amid indirect negotiations over the fate of the Obama-era pact.The Democrats, led by Sens. Tim Kaine (…

thehill.com

Iran’s entire military budget has been reduced to less than $20 billion a year. But historically, Iran spent more than $16 billion supporting allies in Syria, Iraq, and Yemen since 2012 and sent $700 million a year to Hezbollah.

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Negotiations with Iran could be worthwhile, but members of Congress and the American people deserve to have transparency in this process and should hold the Biden administration accountable to what it promised: a better deal.

 

[kkck]

1.- None of that says there is currently an iran deal of any sort.

2.- it's a lie that anything biden is doing can even be considered a bailout. the US has frozen iranian funds. That's money that belongs to Iran. In no way, shape, form or context does unfreezing those funds constitute a bailout, that's just returning iranian property to iranians. Using that as leverage for negotiations is a perfectly good tactic and should be the objective of any US administration.

3,- Yeah, obviously democrats back this. That doesn't make the case for your very obvious and frankly shameless lies...

4.-Diplomacy is a good thing.

 

[M3J]

I think we all see rockets being launched @ israel.

Everyone knows the united states funds iranian nuclear development. Even the media refers to democrats deal with iran as "the iran nuclear deal".

Those funds trickle down to hezbollah, hamas and whatever groups launch rockets at israel.

What happens if iran develops nukes and rockets launched at israel are eventually nuclear tipped.

What do people expect israel to do with that future threat in mind.

Those of us who aren't brainwashed or blind see unguided rockets being launched at well-protected Israel in retaliation for Israel harassing and attacking Palestinians. Funny how pro-Israelites never mention Israel starting conflicts, even when sources biased towards Israel do.

US gives billions of dollars to Israel. Those "funds" are nothing compared to what Israel gets, that it allows them to buy stuff that protects them from the unguided rockets.

Biden’s $90 Billion Bailout to Tehran

Rejoining the Iran deal could undo years of progress in the Middle East.

foreignpolicy.com

Democratic Party leaders urge Biden to rejoin Iran deal, lift Trump’s ‘bad-faith sanctions’

Dozens of Democrats around the country are offering President Biden “strong support” for rejoining the Iran nuclear deal.In a letter to Biden sent Monday, 53 state Democratic Party leaders and Demo…

thehill.com

Democrats back up Biden bid to return to Iran nuclear deal

Twenty-seven Senate Democrats backed President Biden’s efforts to rejoin the Iran nuclear deal amid indirect negotiations over the fate of the Obama-era pact.The Democrats, led by Sens. Tim Kaine (…

thehill.com

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I'm confused. Are you trying to prove kkck wrong or right? Because you're actually proving him right, going by the headlines.

 

[xi0]

I think we all see rockets being launched @ israel.

Everyone knows the united states funds iranian nuclear development. Even the media refers to democrats deal with iran as "the iran nuclear deal".

Those funds trickle down to hezbollah, hamas and whatever groups launch rockets at israel.

What happens if iran develops nukes and rockets launched at israel are eventually nuclear tipped.

Why do you think those rockets are launched at Israel?

I think the use of nuclear weapons in the region comes with the hangup of mutually assured destruction. Countries want them as a deterrent against nations that have them. The Iran deal itself was about limiting the amount of uranium Iran was allowed to enrich, effectively keeping it's use for power... but Trump tore that deal up.

What do people expect israel to do with that future threat in mind.

Idk, maybe they'll bomb Iran instead of Palestine...? I still fail to grasp your point in bringing up Iran when Israel is bombing Palestine.

 

[Sanity Check]

1.- None of that says there is currently an iran deal of any sort.

The motive is the only thing in question.

The details are easy. There's plenty of dark money being moved to fund shady global campaigns by democrats.

Where do you think it goes?

Iran. Obviously. Right.


Democrats Now Dominate Dark Money Spending. They Still Want To "End" It.

Joe Biden and Democrats are wallowing in dark money — and hypocrisy

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[kkck]

The motive is the only thing in question.

The details are easy. There's plenty of dark money being moved to fund shady global campaigns by democrats.

Where do you think it goes?

Iran. Obviously. Right.


Democrats Now Dominate Dark Money Spending. They Still Want To "End" It.

Joe Biden and Democrats are wallowing in dark money — and hypocrisy

edit

Ok, this is without a doubt the STUPIDEST thing you have ever written. It's not even trolling, it's just indefensibly stupid. Is dark money a thing? Sure. But dark money concerns money that is donated to political parties in the US whose origin is not disclosed. You think democrats are taking their donation money and sending it to fucking Iran? You think the greedy corporate hacks who receive this money would just fart it away on iran rather than on themselves and their own campaigns and interest? Add to that, it's one thing that democrats are receiving dark money and another than they could just send it wherever without consequence.

On another note, at least have the decency of reading the stuff you post. Most of the stuff you say is in no way, shape form or context supported by the links you provide.

 

[Raven]

Biden keep saying and affirming that Israel has right to self defense, Does self defense means killing 181 innocents including 52 children and 31 women which almost makes 46% of the total victims, Does it mean bombing down press and media buildings that help in documenting their crimes, Does it mean to destroy accommodation building and make more than 10,000 people homeless, Does it mean to block the roads to the only hospital with good potency in aiding the wounded. Does it mean to intentionally destroying streets , power lines , water, sewage and networks.

Joe Biden has been always supporting Israel as a state because he thinks it's the US best investment, I saw an old video of him literally saying that and ofc his mentality doesn't change even after Israel committing war crimes, Even at the expenses of children and innocent that he claims he love, Maybe he likes them on his lap only and playing with his hair legs. I lost hope that the US could finally put an end to Israel crimes in the region, The funding won't stop, Nothing would change, She is literally Israel's backbone.

 

[shionoro]

Biden keep saying and affirming that Israel has right to self defense, Does self defense means killing 181 innocents including 52 children and 31 women which almost makes 46% of the total victims, Does it mean bombing down press and media buildings that help in documenting their crimes, Does it mean to destroy accommodation building and make more than 10,000 people homeless, Does it mean to block the roads to the only hospital with good potency in aiding the wounded. Does it mean to intentionally destroying streets , power lines , water, sewage and networks.

At the end of the day, yes, it does, if destroying these building is necessary to prevent further missiles onto your territory. That is something every country under attack would do (the US certainly accepts collaterals, so does russia, so do the saudis, the turkish, and really whoever is waging wars at this point in time).

 

[Raven]

At the end of the day, yes, it does, if destroying these building is necessary to prevent further missiles onto your territory. That is something every country under attack would do (the US certainly accepts collaterals, so does russia, so do the saudis, the turkish, and really whoever is waging wars at this point in time).

Did you just come with lame ass excuses to justify the killing of the innocent? Pointing out other countries still doesn't making it right. 80% of those building didn't have any resistance, Israeli are using Hamas an excuse to bomb children and women to force people out of Gaza. They lack professionalism and only know how to kill the innocent. They were using Palestinian children as human shields against any resistance, they abuse children on daily basis even in days of peace.

 

[shionoro]

Did you just come with lame ass excuses to justify the killing of the innocent? Pointing out other countries still doesn't making it right. 80% of those building didn't have any resistance, Israeli are using Hamas an excuse to bomb children and women to force people out of Gaza. They lack professionalism and only know how to kill the innocent. They were using Palestinian children as human shields against any resistance, they abuse children on daily basis even in days of peace.

Nothing makes anything right, still, reality exists. If you are not going to face reality, then you cannot really comprehend that type of crisis and your words are empty.

There is no country in this world, no matter whether it is let by jacinda ardern or by kim jong un, that is going to accept being hit my hundreds of missiles. None. There was always going to be a reaction and that reaction had to be overwhelming and kill lots of Hamas. And such a reaction is not possible without killing innocents, so the Israelis did that.

Whether you think Israel started that conflict is meaningless for that question. Once the missiles flew, there was always going to be that reaction.

Israel discriminates against arab israelis and palestinians, they do. I also think that a lot of the settling policy is directly aimed at playing the long game to push palestinians back and take more land. That is both true, yet, if there are missiles flying, at that point nobody can really claim israel has another choice. No country in the world would decide to not attack in that kind of situation. And if there is an attack in such a densely populated area, there are going to be dead innocents. It is as easy as that.