Games Mafia Game 92 - Kingdom Rush - END GAME

[GrySun]

Spoiler: 10/11 votes + 2 Restless Votes

!Votelock Evil3ye

vote kill sakura

Votekill Pandu

votekill Farfalla

Votekill Gajeel

Votekill Sakura

Votekill sakura

Votekill Evil

!votekill farf

Votekill Evil3ye

!votekill Evil3ye

Vote Kill Evil

!votelock Evil3ye

VoteLock Evil3ye

votelock Evil3ye

votelock evil

!votekill Sakura

8x Evil3ye (sakura-aneki, Farfalla, Anonymous Vote, Demonspeed, Gajeel, Tatsumaki, SonOfDaws, Lady pompom)

7x sakura-aneki (Copy Panda, Penalty Vote, Penalty Vote, Penalty Vote, Anonymous Vote, MarmaladeSky, digitaldude)

3x SonOfDaws (Penalty Vote, Penalty Vote, Penalty Vote)

3x Tatsumaki (Penalty Vote, Penalty Vote, Penalty Vote)

1x Holt (Penalty Vote)

1x Gajeel (James Rye)

1x Farfalla (Goodboy)

• @Evil3ye has caught a bad disease and cannot vote today.
• @Holt has caught a bad disease and cannot vote today.
• @SonOfDaws receives 3 Penalty Votes for not voting D1 and not posting at least 3 times.
• @Tatsumaki receives 3 Penalty Votes for not voting D1 and not posting at least 3 times.
• @Holt receives 1 Penalty Vote for not posting at least 3 times on D1.
• @sakura-aneki receives 3 Penalty Votes for breaking mechanics-related rules on D2.

Day 2 End Countdown​

 

[Farfalla]

A blue for a blue RIP Fiend... Unlike our host, I'll mourn you

 

[Copy Panda]

That’s debatable

Karma btw

Odd result on Demon tho, I wonder who he targeted. Mafia might have gotten particularly lucky

 

[SonOfDaws]

Demon is an odd pick indeed... But considering the role, perhaps it's worth checking over the hints lists again. Now, seems like a good time to begin my own notes actually.

 

[Gajeel]

Evil, about your analysis, I agree with Desin and DD. Don't like James as well but I'm never good at reading him. Didn't see Marm standing out (but gonna reread) and Pandu seems to have a role upgrade condition that could be the one I have (and I'm townie) so it made me wonder if that would mean he's townie as well.

This has been bugging me... how did you get to that conclusion? It just feels that you put way too much trust into a player whose only hints are: ''I'm active, I'm doing good with my conditions, and I ''might'' use it on Evil or Tatsumaki. Nevertheless, I'm inclined to believe that you're town since you've played a role in Marmalade's death. desin and James as well.

 

[SonOfDaws]

If I had to guess, some player conditions have to do with voting or perhaps vote locking and perhaps using their night action(s) accordingly.

Perhaps voting the same or different ways multiple times in a row.

My conditions aren't vote related, but I'm sure someone can surmise why I'm thinking that way.

That said, in a game this small and given the relatively high number of actions possible last night and this usually being the time we do so anyhow, I think we should reveal targets, not roles, just targets.

My two targets were Sakura and Pompom. Both came after me on Day 1, however, I currently distrust one of the two and trust the other. This is primarily based on player behavior and tendencies, although, I'm actually not a huge fan of some of the tendencies or the player that garnered my trust.

Regardless, these are a bit of my thoughts at the moment.

 

[Holt]

Didn't trust Farf but she was rather instrumental in Marm's death. There are other angles but she's my most trusted right now. Evil yesterday was weird but I'll check back a bit. Got the vibe he didn't want Marm dead

 

[Gajeel]

Didn't trust Farf but she was rather instrumental in Marm's death. There are other angles but she's my most trusted right now. Evil yesterday was weird but I'll check back a bit. Got the vibe he didn't want Marm dead

I had the same feeling. Pretty funny how 2 of his 3 highly suspected players turned out to have voted for the mafia too.

He did post this 3 minutes before the end of the day phase though,

KILL MARMALDE EVERYONE !

so I got mixed feelings about him.

--- Double Post Merged, May 24, 2021, Original Post Date: May 24, 2021 ---

I'm not a fan of panda and digi's plays so far tbh. Then there's also Tatsumaki who is completely absent...

Who were our two original sicklies? I'm curious about their picks and their reasons.

 

[Lawl Po Bia]

then again killing ur own mafia on day 1, despicable as it may be, is something we have seen already. I guess Demon being killed puts me in a tight spot now, yare yare

 

[SonOfDaws]

Something worth keeping in mind with this setup, there's a map that mafia can pick that places penalties on players that didn't vote the prior day phase. So, it stands to reason that they'd have access to at least one sickly role and are planning to make good use of it by stacking votes on them that day phase.

However, that will likely only happen when they perceive a notable enough play or threat to warrant such a risk-reward play. Given a mafia detective isn't super likely with the role reveal map. I would expect the role reveal map to pop up, another day and night with a high value suspect townie marked sickly, and then the vote penalty map gets selected.

Still, even a townie sickly can be an amazing assest to town if good and coordinating with other townies' suspicions or an amazing asset to mafia if uncoordinated.

With all that in mind, the first sickly to reveal themselves is the one I'm trustoling more right now.

 

[Evil3ye]

First of all, I want to say, great job guys. What a successful first day end it was, a very rare occasion of us actually killing a mafia. Despte (!) them being able to talk through the events live as we were lynching them.

Not just that but we forced desin to give a crucial hint on the chopping board and could clear him along with Farfalla from list of eminent suspects, so well done.

Further, not trying to diminish this achievment but I am inclined to believe, especially due to the fact of live coordination of mafia in pad, this would have been only possible, if the other mafias were absent at that time and Marmalade was left alone by herself.

So yes, let's get the focus back where it belongs, on the least active. So curious to learn more about who @Holt wanted and "didn't" want to get lynched yesterday, and what he thinks why he was chosen to have the voting revoked today.

--- Double Post Merged, May 24, 2021, Original Post Date: May 24, 2021 ---

then again killing ur own mafia on day 1, despicable as it may be, is something we have seen already.

Only by yourself though lol. have a hug. Why does it put you in a tight spot, I don't get it.

 

[Lawl Po Bia]

demon was gung-ho about killing me yday from what i gathered

 

[Baka Taichou]

llol weird choice of map, but ok and here I thought there's a janitor in this game.

Anyaway, my thoughts from yesterday.

Well well well... interesting end of day guys. Here is what I have:

I think marm misled me because of her tower....

sadly I wasn't able to use my role last night, and the reason is game related.

nor did I fulfill any parts of my gold gaining conditions, again because, first reason can't say why because I'm not allowed to, and second because no one I voted died yet (that's my second condition to gain gold and since it doesn't specify that I can't mention it, here it is, 2 ppl I voted for need to die for me to gain gold).

I did get gold from the map just like everyone else, but that's like obvious, just mentioning it in case anyone tries to put me in the spotlight for "trying to mislead" or wtv sht.

I dodged Farfalla.

Idk what to think right now, but I feel that at least one mafia is among Marm voters, leaning towards first or last voter, though it can just as well be the middle one not wanting to get on the radar. Will analyze the thread now and follow up with my conclusions:

So in regards to those 3 who voted for Marm:

James: Votes early for Marm without reasoning, maybe gambling, hoping that her innocent personality will get her off sus list, and if not he'd at least save face for having been first to vote . Evil tries to make him sus all of a sudden, just for a second though, because then as soon as Farf says "definitely not james" and mentions "Desin or Misho" he replies by saying "not misho" and settles on Desin, so this all looks like a shifting the blame to make people dizzy type of strategy to me. And although I understand the "first day, what do you want me to say" reasoning (haha, I don't since I too am in the same situation and I did post A LOT), he's not been active (5 posts). Conclusion: sus in my pov.

Desin: Don't think he'd risk giving a fellow mafioso a second vote so late in the game day specially since votes are close and the said mafioso has such a good role, unless he's also mafia and his role is better than escort, in which case he'd make Evil less sus because he's been trying to put pressure on him, but his comment towards Evil saying "is it bad if marm looks sus" makes me less sus of him, and more sure he's town. But then again, that could also be a mafioso play in which they shift blame among each other. There's also the lil fact that marm voted for Desin to decrease her chances at being lynched, which adds to trustworthy points on Desin.... so atm. Conclusion: not sus in my pov.

Farfalla: The "last min" vote on Marm could be only to save appearances since it was either Marm, Desin or Farf. So again might have gone for the sacrificing of a role to save own skin (or save better mafia role). Giving reason as to why Evil is a bit off, but then again saying his willingness to coordinate with her makes her feel less sus of him, this makes me feel sus of both her and Evil, as this can just be a coordinated plan. Plus evil offering to help her out so nonchalantly. Mentions to herm that she'd go for either Desin or Misho definitely not James. Herm instantly agrees, although he was so very sus of James all of a sudden. Farf's last vote was decisive, breaking the 3 way tie. If she would have went with Desin, it would have been too sus in the future days if desin turned out to be townie since both Herm and Marm voted for Desin, then, she can't vote for herself obviously, and lastly Marm who was already more sus than anyone (considering a day 1) towards the end would have made the perfect scapegoat, saving face for Farfalla by not leading to a miss lynch and getting a good lynch in on Day 1, and lastly, if she'd have voted for Herm, who she's not sus of rly, she would have caused another possible tie, and increased her chances of dying with a coinflip since all 4 aforementioned had 1 votelock on them and her vote came in less than 1 min before the end of the day (so extremely low chances of not causing another tie). And a last note, when she said her opinion on Evil she mentioned about when he wrote his own role "I know my own role", instead of just saying "town obviously", but in that post Evil was talking about hints ppl gave, so him saying his knew his role makes sense, and Farf's comment on that just makes me think she was trying to cause confusion, especially since she doesn't know if Evil's traitor or town. (But his behaviors should have definitely showed them he is.) Conclusion: very sus in my pov.

Then we have my main suspect. Guess should have left my vote on you.

Evil's my main sus out of these, with his trying to shift votes from marm, his orange tag on her might be just to throw off track. Slightly mentions James oh so sus all of a sudden with his vote on marm, but immediately accepts he's not sus when Farf says "Definitely not James". He votelocks desin, then seeing as marm starts looking sus to ppl he switches back saying ppl should vote for Marm (in all caps, like pulling a DD which i've never seen him do). Also taking into account what copy panda said about his thoughts on evil, just reinforcing my own. Also, if Misho is marm (idk everyone's side nicknames sorry), he just added to the sus reasons by saying "I fear misho is not mafia". Also offering to help Farfalla so nonchalantly with her gold gain to look good to townies and also help out fellow mafia maybe to gain gold? Two birds one stone scenario? He's either mafia or traitor. Votes for Desin (for which marm voted probably to decrease her own risk which only makes me feel less sus of Desin). Also highest post count, like Desin said, over achiever/angsty (and please don't tell me how I'm second highest, y'all know I have a big mouth and talk a lot). Conclusion: EXTREMELY sus in my pov.

People he is sus of include: Lawlett, Copy Panda, Desin. Which honestly I'm not sus of atm.

My main suspects are Evil3ye, Farfalla and James rn. Might change opinion on James but so far he's not helping his cause. I think Evil is traitor because he's lining up with Farf (who I think is mafia) and tried shifting sus off Marm. And then Marm and James are probably the other 2 mafia.

I see lots of connections between Evil and Farf/Marm/James and out of those he only slightly mentions marm as orange(bit sus) but then shifts to desin.

I might be completely wrong. But I'm pretty sure I'm not. I'm very sure Evil is traitor and Farf second mafia. Not so sure about James being the 3rd mafioso, but still sus enough to put him on the list.

Ah before I forget, y'all should be aware of a janitor in this game. (please ignore this, forgot about the map option)


That being said the only thing I'm pondering right now is weather to kill a certain mafia or a traitor.

With these thoughts being shared, I will be afk until I finish work. I actually wrote these after analyzing the thread right after day ended.

And as usual, these are my thoughts, y'all do whatever y'all think is best. I'm gonna decide on either Farf or Evil.

--- Double Post Merged, May 24, 2021, Original Post Date: May 24, 2021 ---

also keep in mind they could talk when things got desperate and decide on farf sacrificing marm to save face.

 

[desin24]

YAS, getting the mafia escort D1 is a significant W. Losing the townie whore dampens it unfortunately. Kind of suprised that I wasn't killed this night. Might be because they suspected some Doc protection on me. At least I got some interesting result out of surviving.
Did every active role use it last night?

 

[Baka Taichou]

I couldn.t use mine

 

[Evil3ye]

My main suspects are Evil3ye, Farfalla and James rn. Might change opinion on James but so far he's not helping his cause. I think Evil is traitor because he's lining up with Farf (who I think is mafia) and tried shifting sus off Marm. And then Marm and James are probably the other 2 mafia.

Oh lord, quite some time I haven't read such bs, so nice work there detective.

But now to address some of your points that I got from it.
Misho is not marmalade, it's goofboy (his irl name is Mikhail), so you're completely misdirected here.

I asked her (farfalla) to lock on me not to help her with her coin, I did't really care about her points as I couldn't fully trust her there, but because it aligned with my own method to earn points. It turned out great anyways, because Misho locked on me and I was able to get the upgrade that I wanted. So Shout out to the revenge Misho vote I probably will not going for the second upgrade, as it is super expensive and actually pretty limited in use, but if it so happens to happen and I slowly farm enough points I might get it after all. My condition the one I can talk about is "having at least a locked vote by the end of phase". It's sort of risky, I don't know if you all also have such risky conditions, but as I said I basically already have the upgrade I wanted.

My suspects were all clear yesterday, I was the only one making a detailed analysis at that point, I was the only one highlighting Marmalade's "under the radar" nature putting her among with two others (desin and copan) into the orange, and after some back and forth, when she was giving super dodgy responses and not coming clear with good role hints, I was the one shouting for her death (would have voted, but was locked on desin, which made him reveal some info and put her more on the spot with that).

Farfalla had absolutely no reason to decide between those two, and she was not on the chopping block herself at all, so really perhaps you should revaluate your sus list once again.

 

[Baka Taichou]

well how bout we stop fkn using random ass nicknames that not everyone knows then?

you two are still sus even if the marmelade part was mistaken cuz of the sidenickname usage.

 

[Evil3ye]

well how bout we stop fkn using random ass nicknames that not everyone knows then?

you two are still sus even if the marmelade part was mistaken cuz of the sidenickname usage.

Oh no, sorry everybody, sakura is confused. You are now not allowed to use random ass nicknames anymore.
I mean, you could have also gotten it by reading the thread. Goodboy answered to it with a vote on me in which he clearly indicated my post where I referenced this randomn ass nickname was about him.

On an more important note, I did use my action and I can tell I wasn't blocked or dodged.

 

[Baka Taichou]

I see you're still the ass you used to be.

All good.
have fun in the game.

--- Double Post Merged, May 24, 2021, Original Post Date: May 24, 2021 ---

I'm mafia btw

 

[Evil3ye]

LMAO

Two down.