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Sorry, this took a while >_< Wanted to extensive player reviews, but now that the next game has started, I figured I'd keep it short after all

Thank you again for participating, everyone! Those who spent time playing, those who won, those who hosted and even the spectators; all of you together made this a fun experience! The death pad at times vitriolic, at other times, just toxic (as it should be). I'll go over some stuff here, cover the broad strokes.


👨‍🚒 👩‍🚒 Mechanics and Balance 🦸‍♂️ 🦸‍♀️

Compared to what you guys got, my earliest proposals for this mechanic were actually much more demanding of the players. For better or worse, Noona's input balanced the game out by taking away a considerable amount of decision-making. Personally, I'm a spice man, but over the course of hosting a couple of games now with her, I think I've grown to not just respect but incorporate some of her game-design ideas/preferences into my own. A few more games and I'll be Brazilian Corruption'd so much, I can apply for a passport.

At the base of it all was Noona's inverse janitor idea, whereby only death could reveal your role. Though presumably harder on newer players, across the board, it decidedly did influence the player approach towards the game. Maybe the most noticeable effect was that the players were deprived of just enough information to focus on the actual behaviour of others. Sure, some of the mafo made spicy claims, but maybe the lack of information across the board did more to help the noobies than not knowing hampered them.

The Burning Building stuff I think I produced a week or week and a half before the game started. We spent like 3 years trying to figure this out, our styles and personalities clashing constantly. 'We' here also includes Poopler and Marms who had their own ideas and inputs. The building idea I thought would have incorporated most ideas. The voting-for-your-role bit became the central part of the design, with us hoping that nearly everybody would know their role by the time D4ish would come around.

Initially, our ideas on how to arrange the First and Second floors differed. I personally wanted different effects for both floors, with only one floor being the Reveal floor (but revealing 5 instead of 3). Noona developed an interesting line of thought here, involving player choice and the idea that the floor capacities should be what Players aim to manage, rather than just the individual choice of what powers to use. This was enforced by the floor only working if a precise amount of people entered. Comparatively, this meant that some amount of people would probably always get their role revealed, which would keep the game moving smoothly.

The Roof Floor revealing Mafia created an interesting situation early around D2ish when the second McDo was revealed. What's painful is that it turned out that was the second Doc hiding amongst you 💀 Btw, in hindsight, I think it would have been better to personally reveal to the mafia member in question that their role got revealed that it was them who was revealed (i.e. let the McDo know they're the McDo once the top floor revealed as such).

The Prosecutor Floor, depending on how actions played out, could have been hidoi. While ofc it was clear that at some point a bunch of Prosecutors could be walking around town, it was scary to consider how many shots could be fired in one day. Personally, 1.) I figured the range of shots would have been around 4 and that 2.) people wouldn't go around cajoling the prosecutors (as they might be mafia killed otherwise). Perhaps it was for the best to force people (Shobu) to shoot but overall, given how valuable the power is, though I can't really imagine town revenge-lynching a reluctant Prosecutor. I mean I ain't y'all but I'd be scared of losing sth important. Though I'm not sure about the minutiae, Tatsu who was in the room with Eri then proceeded to kill her :lmao

Oh yeah, the Ground Floor, where y'all started, initially was supposed to randomly poison one of the leavers 💀 In the end, we settled on Hot Potato being more Player-friendly. My idea was that people who failed to enter another floor would just end up here again, but RNG'ing you onto another floor was deemed, again, more Player-friendly (which is true). So, as far as the mechanic goes, all I can say is I'm happy we managed to figure out sth that was acceptable to all four of us lol ç__ç

As for balance, there were a few hiccups here and there. While some players got shafted accidentally (Pomcha), intentionally (Sakura), stupidly (Sam) and some others didn't use their role altogether (Lamb, Van), a central complaint we've received has to do with the amount of mafo in the game. Personally, I think the mafo should have had it quite rough, and simply played out the end-game well (though they had a couple of advantages going into this game-state).

The most important dynamic here that, admittedly I personally at least, didn't fully consider, was that the number of player-kills per night (if all of them go through i.e. are unblocked etc.) will only go down once the full team has been slain. That's to say, in the Red case, for instance, only once Desu died, would there be one night-kill less. Sure, losing (wo)man-power sucks, especially if the role attached to the name was strong, and it sets you back half-a-phase in meeting your wincon, but notably, the killing power of mafo doesn't go down. Because of this, even with the Red implosion and lack of mislynching by town, so long purple avoided stacking their kills with Red (through prediction or just prestidigitation), they'd able to piggyback on their killing powers. It is not like we didn't attempt to balance this; with the abundance of prosecutor powers and another party out to kill them without having Doc immediately available, they were at risk. It's just that so long town consistently culls one team, and neither mafo focuses on killing their counterpart, ironically, the remaining team 'absorbs' the momentum.

Some other balance concerns or mishaps will be touched on in the following section. Lots of it has been discussed in pads on disc. If there's something else that I didn't cover here and wasn't discussed on disc, ofc feel free to point it out here on the thread and we can discuss it​

🚒 🚑 Players 🔥💀

16. sakura_aneki as Shoto | Mafia Boss | Lynched D1
It is unfortunate you died quite early and set off a cascade. Uh, I don't think you did yourself a lot of favours by locking so early, but, in the same vein, it's not entirely fair to hold you being killed by your own fam against you. Sure, anyone could have killed you bc of this move, but it shouldn't have been your own guy. I suppose 'lesson learnt' for next time; can't trust anyone in this game 🗡


1. GrySun as Lemillion | Mafia Detective | Killed N1
One of our resident favourites, unfortunately, was slain in single combat. The only non-town to be slain by another at night, in fact. A little saddening, though not entirely unexpected. Since your killer signed up for next game, surely you'll have a chance at revenge this time around 💀


15. Holt as Ingenium | Detective, Traitor | Lynched D2
Insane Det with (Naive) Traitor is (one of) my 'preferred' builds; it gives the player two things to figure out by using the same mechanic. They have some room for diagnosing their situation through their own volition. Given your unfortunate early death, however, this little mini-game never came to fruition. It is a little saddening you died a sacrificial lamb; technically you were the only mislynch in-game


24. Evil3ye as Shinso | Doctor, Super Mason | Killed N2
Though it has been mentioned many a time that Eripan couldn't target easy, since the Super Mason secondaries weren't hidden, Eripan had a couple of targets to pick from (should they declare, which they did). So while purely number-wise she was in a tough spot, eligible targets could somewhat vouch for themselves. Funnily enough, she actually picked a 'hidden' Super Mason (Jinx), who lied to everyone (including Eri) so that she could play the part of a cleansed townie. I think you were next on the recruit list, Evil, or pretty high up there at least. Hopefully, you get to play a bit longer next time


11. Shad as Deku | Mafia Doctor | Lynched D3
A few... miscalculations... Here and there... You did redeem yourself though, and almost all actions you took were considerably spicy. I liked the rogue PGO claim, though maybe it was a little too early to make that sort of claim. Nonetheless, fun to see, though I imagine it less delightful to be on the receiving end of your dagger lol


6. JamesRye as Cellophane | Apprentice, Prosecutor | Killed by Failed Prosecutor attempt D3
You even said 'Ah I hope I ain't the Apprentice' :lmao I never quite got why you chose to shoot Erichi btw :0


9. Lady Pompom as Creati | Psychiatrist, Hot Potato | Exploded D3
Sorry you exploded a phase too early, Pomcha ç___ç Your main role was supposed to detect secondaries, verify such claims, maybe pressure the traitor who was still unsure of their position. In an earlier iteration, there were also Lovers that you could find, but we determined that could create a pad overload for two very unfortunate players. In the end, you were kept in so that you could snuff out the eventual Traitor, or draw attention to players hiding their secondary like Jinx. Sorta ironic the secondary-spotting power... was killed by a passable secondary


2. Erinyes as Pinky | Mason Recruiter, Prosecutor | Killed N3
You got done dirty Eripan, and you died an ironic death; after surviving the Prosecutor shot, you got killed as soon as you got your own hands on it. It beats suiciding on the role, though. At least you recruited someone? ç__ç


18. Asako Gryffindor as Froppy | Mafia Poisoner | Lynched D4
Thank you for subbing in Gryff! Your predecessor lowkey fucked up your position but thanks to Shad's heroics and your way with words you managed to pull through and live to shitpost another day. Hopefully next time you join you start out less compromised 🙏


17. Shobu_Yoruichi as Chargebolt | Mafia Detective, Prosecutor | Killed by Failed Prosecutor attempt D4
I think you should have been slightly more patient XD You got peer-pressured into shooting, and I respect you doing so, but you should have been more patient anyway. I didn't think a Mafia would risk it. And if I had, personally, I might have Shadded one of my own. Ofc, it was also more or less your first game, and you were in a tough position (unlike your other noobie counterparts, you were mafia). Oh, also, I like how you took the Bankai part of the explanation seriously and actually publically went Bankai xD It's unfortunate that last-hour rule was invoked on you, that slightly hurt your credentials probably, but props for the flair. Spice good


7. Lambu as Red Riot | Detective, Sickly | Killed N4
Some raised the Sickly v unknown role point, and personally, I disagree with the notion that Sickly made the primary role unusable. Especially on the first night, when Sickly'ing someone was not much better than RNG D1 vote, I myself at least would have used my role to see if there was feedback. I can see the cost-benefit part that comes from choosing between using Det and Sickly, but you didn't know your primary at all until you died ç__ç Ofc I can understand your position, but I didn't think a player would opt into not trying their main role at all. Sth for us/me to consider next time.


4. Crescent Jinx as Nejirechan | Spy, Super Mason | Killed N4
Interesting ploy, hiding your Spy status from everyone. A notably powerful strategy and quite believable at that. Eventually, you became a target for your information retention skills LOL, another kind of information gathering I suppose. V dangerous


3. SirSamuel016 as Vantablack | Mafia Poisoner | Lynched D5
If I could have made a top 5 worst roles to claim in your position, I think Troublemaker might just be on there. It bought you another day, but at what cost? LOL Other than that, I liked your presence in the Floor pads. It was kinda funny how at some point (I think N3 or 4 or sth) you entered the room, all 'heyo what's up' and 12 people all at once started attacking you. I'd say 'poor guy' but you bullied me a lot so...


14. Juviii as Uravity | Jesus | Killed N5
Juvling has noticeably improved; compared to earlier games where you passively trolled town by pulling a Shinoona on us and going poof. I'd (we'd) say you're much more involved now. Furthermore, it's not naive aggression but pretty accurate remarks and to-the-point arguments. Sure, you were confirmed, but your gameplay itself might have warranted a kill at this point in the game anyway


5. Demonspeed Vandred as Tsukuyomi | Hider | Killed N5
Thank you Vindred for subbing in for Demon! You were quite important in that you were a sub for a townie, not a mafo (which usually is the case). Hopefully, precedent now has been set that any kind of player can be subbed in, not just mafia lol. Did you have any developed thoughts on how to handle subbing in better (things that make it easier or faired for the sub in to fit in)? Curious if you do. Unfortunate situation with you missing the timing to PM your action ç__ç Game might have looked a bit different had you submitted, but who can tell how much tbh. As usual, solid and balanced play. Had the game gone on a little longer you could have even deployed a Vanplan or two.


10. desin24 as Shemage | Mafia Escort | Lynched D6
The final Red to die. You did quite good tbh, surviving or as long as you did. Especially your fighting spirit shone through 🔥 I feel like you roll prosti more often than Taku or sth at this point lol


19. Avietar as Battlefist | Mortician | Killed N6
Ahh, we had a few miscomms in our PM concerning role usage, but overall, I'm happy you were as active as you were! You had a slightly harder role to figure out the purpose of (which... you might have had on N3 iirc if not for the miscommunication >_<). Overall, I liked how you did your best and stayed in the pads till quite late in your timezone xD Good stuff


21. digitaldude as Invisible Girl | Bodyguard | Lynched D7
Ahh I felt very bad receiving your PM's DD. At multiple points, I think not just me, but the other hosts as well would have wanted to PM you, assuring you your actions went through and that we didn't forget or whatever. It just was your role that didn't give you any feedback ç__ç Towards the end the more experienced players managed to capitalize on the attrition damage the chibis took and paint you as suspicious.


8. SonOfDaws as Earphone Jack | Mafia Boss | WINNER
Very involved in the mafia pads, scheming it out. I liked your play by the end, fucking up floor pad. I suppose any mafo could have done it, but I think that act greatly contributed to the momentum-seeking chibis losing their footing. Had they had a pad to discuss and consolidate, they might have turned against you guys in a fury. Pretty good job on staying separated from the others till the end; I'd have to go back and check but I don't think many players had an end-game in mind that linked you to Lawl or Tatsu.


12. Maryxxi as Suneater | Prostitute | LOSER
Similarly to Avi, I liked your activity a lot! Even when you were asking questions, they were well-thought-out inquiries that clearly indicated some level of research and understanding of the game. Like the other chibi's, you were mostly hampered by lack of experience and not having role list info at the ready (both of which can be helped in few games). Your targeting was decent (as well as equal parts tragic when you got blocked by the mafo prosti). I hope you stick around for more games later 🙏


13. Tatsumaki as Real Steel | Mafia Doctor | WINNER
Was the part about you having to go to the station for wi-fi real? That's some real MVP-level dedication LOL Tbh you were pretty invisible (as a mafo) for the vast majority of the game and even towards the end you weren't really suspected. You fit in naturally and were excluded from most end-game mafo rosters. Good stuff


20. Equaling Heaven as PhantomThief | Bulletproof | LOSER
I think on thread the most inquisitive townie! Aggressive forward play, asking questions and producing theories. play like a noob (though then again you didn't last game either). In a few more games I think you'll have a much better understanding of the possibilities available. GG 🙏


22. Zirconium as Dynamight | Banshee, Super Mason | LOSER
Like Mary, I liked the questions you asked. Really didn't come across as a first-time player of sorts. I hope you keep playing and try your luck at solving the murder mystery next time ç__ç


23. Tsar Blyatinum as Lizardy | Mafia Escort | WINNER
Hyung-nim simply can't be mafia :blush I think hyung did a good job staying under the radar and keeping it together throughout the game. I feel like usually you'd have attracted more attention, but similar to the Titan game, even as a mafo you sat it out. Your targeting was quite good too. In terms of grit, Tatsu probs did 'best', but in terms of performance, you're up there!
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Tatsumaki learns from heavenly bulletproof.
Fine by me but it will take me TWO nights. Doubt mafia will let me live that long.


We should indeed all ask for the same floor since we will have just enough people to fill it tonight. This will be our last padded night damn.
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2 super masons in the game seemed a bit sus to me
3 actually since both Jinx and Evil were Super masons. I wouldn't know if having that many is normal or not, it's my first game with masons.
 

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Fine by me but it will take me TWO nights. Doubt mafia will let me live that long.


We should indeed all ask for the same floor since we will have just enough people to fill it tonight. This will be our last padded night damn.
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3 actually since both Jinx and Evil were Super masons. I wouldn't know if having that many is normal or not, it's my first game with masons.
yes yes sorry i meant 3
 

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I had to rush and do an incomplete version last day phase, but here's a more thorough analysis.

Thoughts on Players

Avietar

Recent developments:
-Votes for Desin
-"My most suspected targets right now are Desin (red?), DD (purple?), Tsar (purple?)."
-"Am unsure about Tatsu and SonOfDaws, and could believe both are townie if purple mafia only has 3 people."
-Questions Zirc's voting Daws and picking Sam over Desin
-Believes Mary's role claim
-Suspects Sam, DD, Desin, Zirc, Lawl, Son, Tatsu
-Mentions the possibility of Sam being framed
-Votelocks Desin
-Trusted Sam to some degree
-Claims mortician
Current Standing:
While perhaps not the greatest looking track record on paper, Avietar has been consistently contributive and seems more like a townie trying to figure things out than a guilty party.

The role claim seems fitting such a game, but going this long without trying to target a dead player seems odd...

Desin24
Recent developments:
-Criticized for his D4 vote: "votekill DD Fuck it. Let fate decide I have no clue.
-"The votes were 6 to 4 with 2 minutes to go. Why would I ever draw that kind of attention to me when I could have voted [Sam's] suspicious ass with DD and Cres."
-"Targets":Avietar N1, Zirconium N2, Daws N3, Evil N4
-Claims vanilla townie
-"Doubt I'm plain though so either sleeper or some kind of miller."
-Votekills Sam
Current Standing:
Like Avietar, Desin has some questionable moments, however, Desin on the other hand is consistently noncontributing and seems more like a scum not trying too hard to figure things than a townie legitimately trying. To compare and contrast his playstyle this game to his usual townie playstyle, his townie playstyle is typically more talkative and willing to speak freely while the Desin we're seeing this game is more willing to ACT more freely and keep what's said to shorter and briefer. Others have mentioned this before, but with those playstyle in mind, the his post(s) leading up to Asa-dor's lynch on D4 fit pretty well with his scum tendencies. This on top of a vanilla townie role most certainly makes him lynchable.

That said, there are moments when Desin does talk more at length at times, but those posts are typically far from conclusive and still few and far between. An easy vote for today, but

Digitaldude
Recent developments:
-Votekills Sam
-Hard pushs for Sam
-(In reference to EH)"This is the final mafia guys with samuel."
-Claims Bodyguard
Current Standing:
DD has been more forthcoming and has a better voting record now, but this is baring in mind that he's been under notable pressure for some time now and has known to quickly turn on and vote up teammates when the situation looks more dire. A stand out example in my mind is the SnK game and I believe Farf was his unfortunate teammate on the receiving end. Now, compare that to this game where DD was vocal about his support for Sam and turned on him hard and fast when him and, primarily, Sam was seeing a lot of criticism. However, posting behaviors prior were still textbook mafia.

On top of that claiming a role that, like Shad's PGO claim or Zirc's Banshee claim, has a high potential for punishment for a player simply exploring as the mechanics encourage exploration of roles/quirks. A bodyguard here means if a player want to learn the bare minimum about the game, then they're risking their own life. It's not cohesive.

Lynchable. In fact, it's odd how many people suspect DD and yet he's escaped numerous votes.

Equaling Heaven
Recent developments:
-"Zirc prolly lied"
-Thinks DD was baiting Lambu and Mary
-Questions Zirc being a townie simply due to supermason claim
-"Do you really think there's still 5 around, desin? What about you, zirc? My optmistic ass want to believe it's only four."
-(To DD) "I still think its funnt how you fixated on me tho."
-(To DD) "You ignored showbu who went for pompom two times in a row and he was from the other team."
-Votekills DD
-Questions Zirc's picking Sam over Desin
-"Situation is dire overall"
-Thinks there might be a police officer or other counter to BP in the game
-Claims BP
-Says Sam and Jinx already knew role
-"I'm counting on Tatsu to be the cop"
-Thinks there could be more than one traitor
Current Standing:
Certainly not confirmed, but his general behavior and consistent presence put him as a lot more trustworthy than not.

Maryxxi
Recent developments:
-Questions the presence of three supermasons being in the game
-Claims prostitute
-Claims to have blocked no one N1, Jinx N2, Gryff N3, and DD N4
Current Standing:
Generally seems pretty townie in terms of behavior, but the 2nd prostitute claim, while suspicious, is possible. Regardless, good standing.

SonOfDaws
Recent developments:
-Heavily suspects DD, Desin, and Sam
-Suspects Zirc
-Votes Desin
-RS
Current conclusion:
Son Of Daws. Townie. ...What did you think I'd put here?

Tatsumaki
Recent developments:
-Suspects Sam and Desin
-Claims to have targeted N1 Erin N2 Zirc N3 Erin N4 Holt
-Votekills Desin
-Claims apprentice
Current Standing:
Certainly shady, but this is also is "typical Tatsu" behavior. The apprentice claim, if true, could mean that either her or James could be insane, so changes in behavior should be watched out for and who's targeted is of particular note. Also, it seems as I'm typing there's some contention about her claims targets. I think it depends on how the hosts read the rules: If they go solely by the priority, then the claim holds no weight since Tatsu should have learned Erin's role on N3. If the hosts see the role descriptions as overruling the general rules, then blocking or killing an apprentice's target as Erin was on N3 means the apprentice learns nothing. Could be read either way, but could also be written a bit clearer...

Tsar Blyatinum
Recent developments:
-Claims prostitute
-Claims to have blocked 3ye N1, Asa-dor N2, Asa-dor N3, Mary N4, and Zirc N5
Current Standing:
Level of activity and playstyle seems like his normal, but a prostitute claim that's yet to be confirmed is sketchy to say the least. I think Lawl has a habit of making bold role claims no matter what, often as a bluff. At the very least, he should be forced to role reveal and if he still comes up "prostitute", then I think the choice vote choice between him and Mary seems clear.

Zirconium
Recent developments:
-Claims banshee
-"targeted Daws [N4]"
-"If you don‘t trust me, then you can lynch me and Daws will die in my stead."
-Distrusts DD, Daws, Desin, and Sam
-"Doesn't stand out": Bly, EH, Avietar, Tatsu
-Votekills Daws
-Votelocks on Sam
Current Standing:
Seemed about as passive as one could get until I started pushing harder for scums, questioning the Zirc's SM claim, and pointing how knowledge of masons doesn't clear a player. Beyond EH's questioning and my own suspicions, the only other player who gave theory much thought and started voicing suspicion of Zirc was our spy and recruited super mason, Crescent Jinx, who was killed the following night iirc. I want to hear what others think on Zirc before voting, but if there's a general consensus on this one, I'm willing to put my life on the line to call this bluff.
Very good analysis overall, Daws. Simples yet good. Everyone should take a look at it and try to find any hole or mole between the information based on targets, actions and everything that was claimed here.
Can you explain how the apprentice thing works? Does the host tell you if it was sucessful or not? @Copy Panda
I also agree on the DD being alive so far, but couldn't the same be said about everyone that still here right now? Aside from me everyone here can die. And the only way to confirm me is by lynching me. I ask you, town, are you willing to lynch me and leave mafia alive for one more day to act freely just to get over with this paranoia over my role?

I'm tired of everyone claiming "if i die you fucked" roles. "Ah EH but you claiming an immortal role too!"
Yes, I am! But my role just means I won't die and will waste a day of lynch (town-wise speaking). Others are like "i'm bg if i get lynched none can save you guys", or "i'm blocker i'm needed to stop mafia from moving", "i'm banshee if i die people x will too".
 

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i already explained yesterday why i suspect u
1. having 2 super masons in the game seemed a bit sus to me
2. i realized that the only reason that gave u a free pass for the whole game in the first place was this sus super mason claim, u ve been off the radar because of it
What do you think I am? Red? Purple? Just curious what you think which alignment I am. If you think that I‘m sus just because of this SM role, then you could have just given me the possibility to prove myself when I just revealed yesterday that my primary role is the banshee. You guys could have told me yesterday which player I should have targeted last night. Then I would have done that and you could have lynched me and the targeted player would have died in my stead. But unlike Sam with his troublemaker, I don‘t even get the chance to prove myself.
 

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Can you explain how the apprentice thing works? Does the host tell you if it was sucessful or not?
Yes the host tells you.
Sane Apprentice (Townie): Targets a person at Night phase to learn from him. If the player manages to learn from the same target 2 times, he changes his role to his teacher's and is notified of the change and which role it is. If however his teacher gets blocked or killed he learns nothing that night. Once his role changed he cannot learn a new role.

I could learn Banshee from Zirc by targeting her a second time (if she's legit) but DD wants me to learn from you instead.
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Zirc the person will not die in your stead. You will die. select one of your earlier targets. And they'll die in the next phase. (Or at least that's what I understand from the role description)
 

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Yes the host tells you.
Sane Apprentice (Townie): Targets a person at Night phase to learn from him. If the player manages to learn from the same target 2 times, he changes his role to his teacher's and is notified of the change and which role it is. If however his teacher gets blocked or killed he learns nothing that night. Once his role changed he cannot learn a new role.

I could learn Banshee from Zirc by targeting her a second time (if she's legit) but DD wants me to learn from you instead.
And you role didn't changed? How so?
He want you to learn from me ? That would take two nights and it's bold of him thinkin Mafia would allow another immortal to person to enter the stage.
 

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And you role didn't changed? How so?
Because Erin died the night when I targeted her for the second time. Read the description closely, it is said I won't change role if my teacher dies the same night I target them.
 

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How do you suggest something like that, dd? She will die before she can learn my role wtf Don't ask just for her to confirm my role. It is what i'm saying, there's no reason I would lie about it.

i'm almost risking gettin a punishment here, that's how tilted I am
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Because Erin died the night when I targeted her for the second time. Read the description closely, it is said I won't change role if my teacher dies the same night I target them.
My bad, I thought it was something that only the the insane was subject to.
 

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What do you think I am? Red? Purple? Just curious what you think which alignment I am. If you think that I‘m sus just because of this SM role, then you could have just given me the possibility to prove myself when I just revealed yesterday that my primary role is the banshee. You guys could have told me yesterday which player I should have targeted last night. Then I would have done that and you could have lynched me and the targeted player would have died in my stead. But unlike Sam with his troublemaker, I don‘t even get the chance to prove myself.
okay so let me make something clear again the 2 reasons i mentioned about why i suspect u were the reason i had YESTERDAY before i targeted u. this is a new day, and they are not the only reasons i have anymore, the results i got from targeting u last night are what made me more suspicious of u.
red? purple? i really dont know,i dont even know how many mafia members are supposed to be in each team, i have not thought about that.
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gonna take a break from zirc now and go back to read what have been said about tatsu
 

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I could learn Banshee from Zirc by targeting her a second time (if she's legit) but DD wants me to learn from you instead.
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Zirc the person will not die in your stead. You will die. select one of your earlier targets. And they'll die in the next phase. (Or at least that's what I understand from the role description)
Ugh, I misunderstood this role all this time. I’m so angry at myself. Sorry for this rant. -.-

okay so let me make something clear again the 2 reasons i mentioned about why i suspect u were the reason i had YESTERDAY before i targeted u. this is a new day, and they are not the only reasons i have anymore, the results i got from targeting u last night are what made me more suspicious of u.
red? purple? i really dont know,i dont even know how many mafia members are supposed to be in each team, i have not thought about that.
The only reason you mentioned so far was you doubting me for being a SM. What other reasons besides those do you have? What exact results did you get from targeting me last night? Care to give me reasonable arguments so that I can defend myself?
 

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I had to rush and do an incomplete version last day phase, but here's a more thorough analysis.

Thoughts on Players

Avietar

Recent developments:
-Votes for Desin
-"My most suspected targets right now are Desin (red?), DD (purple?), Tsar (purple?)."
-"Am unsure about Tatsu and SonOfDaws, and could believe both are townie if purple mafia only has 3 people."
-Questions Zirc's voting Daws and picking Sam over Desin
-Believes Mary's role claim
-Suspects Sam, DD, Desin, Zirc, Lawl, Son, Tatsu
-Mentions the possibility of Sam being framed
-Votelocks Desin
-Trusted Sam to some degree
-Claims mortician
Current Standing:
While perhaps not the greatest looking track record on paper, Avietar has been consistently contributive and seems more like a townie trying to figure things out than a guilty party.

The role claim seems fitting such a game, but going this long without trying to target a dead player seems odd...
Awesome post! Very impressive note taking indeed, my notepad is nothing in comparison 😅

Just wanted to note that I did target a dead player (Shad) on night 3 (he was lynched just before on day 3). That is when I should have learned my Mortician role according to admins.
 

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The only reason you mentioned so far was you doubting me for being a SM. What other reasons besides those do you have? What exact results did you get from targeting me last night? Care to give me reasonable arguments so that I can defend myself?
i m not sure if u chose to read what u want and ignore the posts u dont like, but hey anyways here is what i said :
so the reason why i m obsessed with knowing van's suspicions about his role :

- if van knew he was a hider or suspected to have a protective role or smthing that would help juvii then his hiding behind her makes sense and the probability of him hiding behind her is high. which means that only one kill targeting was successful and that i was able to block the one i targeted tonight which makes me sure that he/she is a non townie.

- if van suspected having idk maybe an investigating role, a blocker or any role that wont do juvii any good, then he did not not hide behind her and was just killed separately. which makes my reasoning of suspecting my target for last night wrong
considering sonofdawns idea "Van doesn't seem like the type to just plain not submit any action attempt at all" , even if van did not target juvii he/she must have targeted someone else to hide behind, so he/she should not be dead unless he/she hid behind the killer.
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now i feel like there is more chance of van actually hiding behind juvii
i m ready to hear ur defense.
 

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Just wanted to note that I did target a dead player (Shad) on night 3 (he was lynched just before on day 3). That is when I should have learned my Mortician role according to admins.
I don't understand. Did you target Shad and got nothing in return ?

Mortician (Townie): The Mortician can investigate a dead player. He gets to know which kind of actions were used on him for all nights, in chronological order. For example, a result would be "The player was investigated Night 1 and killed on Night 2".

Maybe nothing happened to him during any night then ?
 

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I don't understand. Did you target Shad and got nothing in return ?

Mortician (Townie): The Mortician can investigate a dead player. He gets to know which kind of actions were used on him for all nights, in chronological order. For example, a result would be "The player was investigated Night 1 and killed on Night 2".

Maybe nothing happened to him during any night then ?
The explanation is a few pages back, but in short: admins overlooked my night command. I discovered it earlier today when I was trying to make sense of being a Mortician when I did target a dead person a few nights ago. Admins confirmed a mistake was made and my night command for N3 was overlooked.
 

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may i be wrong? yes, if van did hide behind his/her killer, or if he/she forgot somehow to submit his/her action.
but @Zirconium the chance of u being mafia seem so higher for me at this point that i m ready to take my chances and vote you
 

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I too am going to sleep now! See you guys later :)
 

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this thread became a mess xD it's funny how everyone is focusing on a different subject that we ended up having 2? separate conversations going at the same time xD
not gonna be funny tho if we end up losing
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anyways VOTEKILL ZIRC now, i'll come back in the morning to see what i should do
i hope @Zirconium could answer my suspicions asap so that i can read them and answer you now before i go to sleep
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so... i guess i m going to sleep now will check what u have to say tmrw morning @Zirconium
 

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I was checkin old posts to see if I can find something and I lost my sides when dd tagged some guy named HeavenlyGloom that isn't even in the game


Btw I'd rather take a newbie under my wing than a veteran. Losing to her wouldn't be bad either, if she turn out to be the scum. I'm talkin about mary
For now, it's a placeholder votekill tsar
You guys still have time to come and talk so we can reach another variants
 

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I was checkin old posts to see if I can find something and I lost my sides when dd tagged some guy named HeavenlyGloom that isn't even in the game


Btw I'd rather take a newbie under my wing than a veteran. Losing to her wouldn't be bad either, if she turn out to be the scum. I'm talkin about mary
For now, it's a placeholder votekill tsar
You guys still have time to come and talk so we can reach another variants
Haven, I understand your suspicions with me do not lie wih my voting patterns because since day1 red mafia boss was on me, and i was one of the firsts to doubt asako > understandbly you assume I am a purple, but i also yesteerday was one of the first to debunk Samuel's silly attempts. NOW my role has not been revealed to me yet >>>

Idk how possible or impossible the two prostitues are, but you have to agree this is an insane setup with all role being hidden anything can happen. But also think about this and consider: if i was a purple Mafia:

1) I would never use such a half-baked claim! Why? Because Mafias talk to each other in their pad and every claim is heavily discussed
2) Mafia game is a numbers game especially at the mid-end game. If I was purple ( if you even consider me red at this point thats just beyond ludicrious) why in the world would i simply sac Sam, when i could have killed desin with my vote yesterday and called it a day lol....


Let's be rational here, don't jump to conclusions ... this is a very important Day for town, and i cant even stress it enough that we have to finish off red team today!

I will be off for most of the remaining phase today, driving to work @Zirconium @avietar @Maryxxi i trust you to make the right decision and lynch red desin
 

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Haven, I understand your suspicions with me do not lie wih my voting patterns because since day1 red mafia boss was on me, and i was one of the firsts to doubt asako > understandbly you assume I am a purple, but i also yesteerday was one of the first to debunk Samuel's silly attempts. NOW my role has not been revealed to me yet >>>

Idk how possible or impossible the two prostitues are, but you have to agree this is an insane setup with all role being hidden anything can happen. But also think about this and consider: if i was a purple Mafia:

1) I would never use such a half-baked claim! Why? Because Mafias talk to each other in their pad and every claim is heavily discussed
2) Mafia game is a numbers game especially at the mid-end game. If I was purple ( if you even consider me red at this point thats just beyond ludicrious) why in the world would i simply sac Sam, when i could have killed desin with my vote yesterday and called it a day lol....


Let's be rational here, don't jump to conclusions ... this is a very important Day for town, and i cant even stress it enough that we have to finish off red team today!

I will be off for most of the remaining phase today, driving to work @Zirconium @avietar @Maryxxi i trust you to make the right decision and lynch red desin
I'm glad you understand why am I picking you. It could've been anyone. In fact, I would like to lynch zirc because if she's a banshee as she claim to be, I can potentially take down a mafia with her. Thing is there's probably only two purples left + 1 traitor if dd mirrored mafia theory is the truth.
One of you prostitutes are the traitor in my mind. Although I agree that you were the one bringing the lynch to sam, why he ignored you and moved to desin then?

I know mafia talk in a pad, but are you telling me that Mafia is more organized because of this? Shad betrayed Sakura and shot his own foot to save Gryff. Showbu tried to prosecute a red outta nowhere and ended up revealing himself as the first of the purple team. Sometimes you have to sacrifice a teammate in order to gain townie's favor and keep yourself alive enough to act. I don't get why you think I would label you as red when I been very persistent on the idea that they met extinction.

My vote was only to force someone to show up and say something because the clock is tickin and nobody show up to either cast a vote or post. For now it's a placeholder on you [2].
 
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