Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2021] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[perroloco]

Double Arts cancellation still hurts... Part of me wishes Naoshi Komi makes either a continuation or a reimagining of the story, because the premise was very interesting, and now that he is super famous he would have the audience (I mean, it's not like Double Arts didn't have an audience back then..)

If you look at the lineup posted by Tirakai:
https://mangahelpers.com/forum/thre...-discussion-and-toc-talk.3017861/post-5528680

Out of those 19 titles think only Bari Haken, Double Arts and Kurogane didn't reach at least 10 volumes.
Also Hunter x Hunter was absent (...) and Gintama was probably on break that weak or something, so out of 20 manga there were only 3 that didn't get at least 10 volumes.

I can only imagine Double Art's cancellation must have been a very difficult editorial meeting because it was performing well (Heck, I remember we were all surprised when the announcement was made... Sure it had dropped in TOC, but it was doing just fine 4 weeks before that...)
But, with the power of hindsight... What else could the editors have canceled back then? Just look at that line-up.
I mean, realistically speaking they should have just canceled Kurogane, it sold worse than Double Arts ever did, and Bari Haken probably got some special treatment because of it being made by a veteran.

Now... From the current lineup, I think they have a bit more spare room, and could have spared Phantom Seer. Shueisha knew for example of Akutami's problem, and they could just "easily" given Akutami a week-off every month or something (like Oda) and with Oda and now Akutami's week-off that could have basically "created" a new spot in the magazine... Kind of... You get my point. Basically, I think if Jump gave at least their senior mangaka a week-off every month or two months they could create an extra spot, that way they can certainly give themselves more of a breathing room to cancel.

 

[tirakai]

Kurogane didn't start for another few years, it's just a oneshot in that issue.

 

[perroloco]

Kurogane didn't start for another few years, it's just a oneshot in that issue.

Thanks for the clarification.

Wow.. so they literally had just two series that they could realistically cancel, Double Arts by a then newbie and Bari Haken by a veteran and.. I guess Inumarudashi, but that was a gag so it doesn't really count, like gag manga are their own thing.

Yeah, Double Arts just came at the wrong time.. Really unfortunate. :/

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Thanks for the clarification.

Wow.. so they literally had just two series that they could realistically cancel, Double Arts by a then newbie and Bari Haken by a veteran and.. I guess Inumarudashi, but that was a gag so it doesn't really count, like gag manga are their own thing.

Yeah, Double Arts just came at the wrong time.. Really unfortunate. :/

There was both NuraMago and Psyren that sold less than Double Arts in their first volumes released around the same time, i don't think it was a matter of being at the wrong time, the manga started super popular and high in the rankings but seems like readers in the magazine just lost interest in the middle, probably after Naoshi started to slow down the pace (which he did the same with Nisekoi after 50 chapters), and ended up sinking in the rankings.

 

[Minsel]

Honto 7/3
#1 Rurouni Kenshin - Hokkaido Arc 6
#2 Blue Exocist 27
#3 Black Clover 29
#4 The Elusive Samurai 1
#6 Kemono Jihen 14
#9 Kinnikuman 75
#10 Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken New Edition 23
#11 Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken New Edition 24
#12 Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken New Edition 25
#14 Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken - Yuusha Avan to Gokuen no Maou 2
#22 Undead Unluck 7
#31 Twin Star Exorcists 25
#51 Mission: Yozakura Family 9
#55 2.5D Seduction 10
#62 Phantom Seer 4
#72 Deadpool: SAMURAI 2
#73 Me & Roboco 4
#79 'Tis Time for Torture, Princess 6

 

[SharkBait]

Phantom Seer died so Elusive Samurai can thrive.

Can only imagine anime deals are already happening in the C-suite.

 

[Stivie]

Phantom Seer died so Elusive Samurai can thrive.

Can only imagine anime deals are already happening in the C-suite.

And even died, it still sells better than several manga that receive support from editors.

 

[SharkBait]

And even died, it still sells better than several manga that receive support from editors.

Id rather read an editor supported well ranking manga than a high selling manga as one indicates quality while the other doesn't.

 

[Stivie]

Id rather read an editor supported well ranking manga than a high selling manga as one indicates quality while the other doesn't.

A Editor only concern is having a manga that is very successful and that includes selling and making a lot of money.

Something that is difficult to happen when a manga spends a whole year with stopped sales

 

[galaxy-juice]

And even died, it still sells better than several manga that receive support from editors.

Three. It sells better than three.

It isn't like Magu, Roboco, and HSF are getting full anime adaptations and stage play productions. In fact, most people are pretty sure they'll be axed before the end of the year.

Everyone has manga they wished weren't canceled. For goodness sake, get over it.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

I don't think Roboco is ending this year, it shows no sign of danger or popularity falling, unless they get a influx of new popular series that would force them, Roboco is doing fine.

 

[galaxy-juice]

I don't think Roboco is ending this year, it shows no sign of danger or popularity falling, unless they get a influx of new popular series that would force them, Roboco is doing fine.

Fair enough. I shouldn't have overgeneralized.

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 4, 2021, Original Post Date: Jul 4, 2021 ---

On a separate note, since three manga were axed and only two were added, we could potentially have a batch of four but only axe CF-HSF-Magu in a few months. I think that would be a pretty awesome way to wrap up the summer.

I'm genuinely impressed with how much the magazine has developed from where it was last year.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

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[Stivie]

Three. It sells better than three.

It isn't like Magu, Roboco, and HSF are getting full anime adaptations and stage play productions. In fact, most people are pretty sure they'll be axed before the end of the year.

Everyone has manga they wished weren't canceled. For goodness sake, get over it.

No thanks, I'll keep talking about it when the subject comes up.

And you have no way of knowing if Magu, Roboco, and HSF will be canceled or not.

 

[galaxy-juice]

No thanks, I'll keep talking about it when the subject comes up.

And you have no way of knowing if Magu, Roboco, and HSF will be canceled or not.

And if they aren't, I'll be genuinely happy for the authors and their fans.

I really, really, really, really liked TPGW. But just because it failed doesn't mean I should go out and bash on other creators who probably did nothing but support Date and Ichima while they were with the magazine. Chill out, my dude. You can't change what happened.

At the very least, try to contribute something new to the conversation instead of just reminding everyone that you're angry about it. Go to Twitter for that lmao. To begin with, why do you think PS was canceled? I don't think you've ever actually offered your opinion. You just angrily declare that Magu should have been axed instead.

 

[KagamiKuroko]

Hope we get a proper sports manga next round, football or basketball preferably

 

[SharkBait]

Hope we get a proper sports manga next round, football or basketball preferably

Hopefully you meant football football and not futbol american.

I want soccer, swimming, and boys lacrosse.

 

[Stivie]

And if they aren't, I'll be genuinely happy for the authors and their fans.

I really, really, really, really liked TPGW. But just because it failed doesn't mean I should go out and bash on other creators who probably did nothing but support Date and Ichima while they were with the magazine. Chill out, my dude. You can't change what happened.

At the very least, try to contribute something new to the conversation instead of just reminding everyone that you're angry about it. Go to Twitter for that lmao. To begin with, why do you think PS was canceled? I don't think you've ever actually offered your opinion. You just angrily declare that Magu should have been axed instead.

I'm not angry, you're making assumptions about me just because I said it was better to cancel magu chan because of low sales. And I still stick to what I say.

Do you want something new? Ok. Witch Watch, Blue box, sakamoto, mashle, Elusive samurai and Ayakashi triangle so gaining more space other manga are losing. As is the case of Magu and Undead Unluck that are with sales stopped.

Ayatri also has the sales stopped, but this sells more than UU and magu chan.

 

[galaxy-juice]

I'm not angry, you're making assumptions about me just because I said it was better to cancel magu chan because of low sales. And I still stick to what I say.

Do you want something new? Ok. Witch Watch, Blue box, sakamoto, mashle, Elusive samurai and Ayakashi triangle so gaining more space other manga are losing. As is the case of Magu and Undead Unluck that are with sales stopped.

Ayatri also has the sales stopped, but this sells more than UU and magu chan.

I mean, yeah, that's why I said I was pretty sure Magu and HSF are going to be axed soon.

Actually, if you group series based on performance and rankings, you get groupings more-or-less like this:

Spoiler

Pillars of Jump:

• Jujutsu Kaisen
• ONE PIECE

Established Series:

• My Hero Academia
• Dr.STONE
• Black Clover
• Mashle
• Elusive Samurai (tentative)

Up-and-coming Series:

• WITCH WATCH
• Sakamoto Days
• Blue Box (tentative)

Stagnating Series:

• Ayakashi Triangle
• Undead Unluck
• Yozakura Family
• Me & Roboco

Low-Performers:

• Magu-chan: God of Destruction
• High School Family

Axe Bait:

• Candy Flurry

Incidentally, this is also the order of priority in which I expect these series to be axed.

And while I do appreciate the effort, I meant something more along the lines of "conversation surrounding PS being canceled", since that's the one you insist to bring up every week. But sure, I'll take it.

Though now I'm curious. One Piece, MHA, and Black Clover all stopped growing years ago. So how much do you think a series needs to sell before it is okay for it to stop growing? Like, if Mashle started to stagnate would you say it is "losing" the same as AyaTri?

 

[Teennitro]

Hope we get a proper sports manga next round, football or basketball preferably

shonen jump should wait a while before doing another sports manga. I think the best time to release a new sports manga is in the fall