Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Dimitri1220]

Zeref would %100 need FH to beat Igneel, relying on his curse of contradiction is a fool's game. With it active, he's so weak that Tenrou Ultear can defeat him. Igneel doesn't even need to pay attention to him, one roar and that's Zeref out of the fight. Igneel then kills everyone else and leaves.

No, I accounted for it, it simply doesn't matter because I'm not saying Igneel is stronger than Acno, I'm saying Igneel is in his tier, which he undeniably is. Him not having scars or lost limbs is irrelevant. Kagura has no scars after her fight with Erza, and she actually lost lol. %99 of high diff fights don't result in scars.
Zeref made no such statement.
Igneel knocked out Acno, straight up. He was had his foot on Acnologia's face and was grinding him into the dirt. He made Acno taste humiliation, he made Acno literally taste dirt lol. And once Acnologia got back up, he still couldn't kill Igneel without losing an arm. Igneel is %100 Acnologia tier, and nothing at all suggests he wasn't going all out. He basically confirmed it himself when acknowledged Igneel as an opponent.

-2 things. We don't even know Igneel and Acno actually fought, and if they did, we don't know how it went down. For all we know Igneel was going easy.
-They can, Igneel used to eat Atlas Flame. Also those dragons having fire breath doesn't make them fire dragons. Eileen is a sage dragon and has fire breath
-Not really. Natsu started the fight knocked out and had to hold back %90 of the fight. He would've oneshot Jacob normally. And not really for Zeref either, if Mavis hadn't gotten in the way Natsu would've erased Zeref. Thanks to her, Zeref was able to get FH.

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Igneel oneshots both of them. He could literally fly through their face like the parent dragons flew through.... well, FACE.
Giant Gajeel on Aldo was because Aldo was weakened by the seeds.
Igneel would oneshot Eileen as well, problem solved.

All Fairy Heart does is speed up Zeref's regen from a few minutes to a few seconds. It also gives him infinite stamina, but that doesn't matter because he would just stand there while Igneel tires himself out.

Kagura is in the same guild as Shelia so she could've healed any scars she got. Same goes for the FT guild and Wendy. Didn't she heal Natsu's scars in Alvarez? I guess you could argue that Acno healed any scars he obtained since he does have healing magic. So you're right in that part. But even then scars don't matter nearly as much as losing limbs, which can't be healed with that magic.
Anything that happened in the Tartaros fight is a result of Acno not going all out. How would it make sense for a stronger version of Acno to get knocked out by a much weaker version of Igneel and even lose a limb, when a weaker version of Acno killed a much stronger Igneel with no remaining injuries? It just doesn't make sense if you don't account for him not going all out. If Acno went all out, then his fight in Tartaros would have ended much sooner.

Zeref made no such statement? I'm on my phone so I can't post it rn, but it's at the end of chapter 436, he straight up says that Acno is limiting himself and is still waiting for someone to truly challenge him. Your whole argument is that Acno went all out against Igneel in Tartaros, when 1) it's clearly stated he did not, and 2) it makes 0 sense for him to have gone all out since a weaker version of himself beat a far stronger version of Igneel and came out unscathed. I know you're going to say that scars don't matter but I'm not talking about scars, im talking about limbs. It would only make sense for Acno to have lost at the very least 1 limb in his first fight against Igneel, but nope, thats not what happened.

Um, why in the world would Igneel go easy on Acno??? He's committing a genocide and desperately wants to kill him, but nah let me go easy on him...yea I can't picture Igneel saying that. Igneel used to eat Atlas Flame? Since when? I thought it was just Atlas recognizing Natsu's scent or something.

Natsu started the fight knocked out? How's he gonna fight if he was knocked out? I think you meant Jacob's fight against the guild started with Natsu knocked out and luckily out of range, otherwise he would have been done for. Yes, im not doubting that Natsu held back during the fight, however, I am saying that he had no counter to Transport and would have instantly lost the battle if he wasn't luckily out of range. So yes it is very much luck. As for the Mavis part, it doesn't matter if Natsu would have vaporized Zeref, he'd regen in a couple of minutes and one shot the worn out Natsu the same way as he did when he had FH. The only difference is one would take a few more minutes of regen.

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It was an uppercut, legit any character eats an upper cut. This is what you're trying to show me? Lmfao

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Well no because you keep bringing hypotheticals which I don't care about.

When Mashima decides to show us giant God Serena and August, then we can talk.

Igneel eats August for breakfast.

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Because it is whether you want to accept it or not.

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Igneel's flames come from Igneel. Not from DS magic and FOE is from the guild so no, you're wrong again.

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Romeo and August are the same insects in front of Igneel so my logic has all the place here.

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Igneel flies up to the sky and spams his roars. Zeref get's knocked out instantly. Death magic isn't a one-shot ability as shown with Aldoron.

Who said Igneel runs out of energy? You wanna play semantics? fine. Igneel replenishes his energy everytime he KO's Zeref. Igneel while half dead went 20 minutes with Acno while Zeref ran away. Igneel will be more than fine.

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Your choice. You've shown more fanfics than scans. Congrats. Can't wait to see "Giant August" in the sequel.

So talking about hypotheticals automatically makes me wrong...isn't that what this whole chat is about? Every battle that hasn't happened in the manga (which is like 90% of the discussion in this chat) is hypothetical, whether it be Spriggans vs Igneel or Spriggans vs Dragon Eaters.

I'm still not getting your logic. Now you're saying August can't copy DS magic because it's "Igneel's flames, not DS magic." Bro...what? Obviously Igneel's flames come from Igneel, where else would it come from? And NO, the only reason why Igneel can use fire is because of his dragon slaying magic, it's not because it's specific to him. Natsu got his dragon slaying magic from Igneel, but he doesn't use specifically Igneel's flames, he uses his own flames, but can also incorporate Igneel's because he was given his power. Flames of emotions is straight up one of the abilities that fire DS magic gives you. Savage fire is the guild's fire.

The only reason Aldoron didn't get one shot is because how big he was. The parts that got hit by his magic instantly died.

August would eat Igneel's roar and gain a massive power up.

Who says Igneel runs out of energy? Idk, maybe the author when he didn't give him infinite magic power...

I'm on my phone so I can't post scans, but I tell you exactly where they are so it's not like you can't use a minute to check. I have to say, your logic astounds me. Yes, we won't see Giant Gajeel or Giant GS. We also won't see Igneel fighting them any time soon since they're all dead. I guess everyone in this chat is a fanfic writter by your logic.

 

[Seven777]

All Fairy Heart does is speed up Zeref's regen from a few minutes to a few seconds. It also gives him infinite stamina, but that doesn't matter because he would just stand there while Igneel tires himself out.

Kagura is in the same guild as Shelia so she could've healed any scars she got. Same goes for the FT guild and Wendy. Didn't she heal Natsu's scars in Alvarez? I guess you could argue that Acno healed any scars he obtained since he does have healing magic. So you're right in that part. But even then scars don't matter nearly as much as losing limbs, which can't be healed with that magic.
Anything that happened in the Tartaros fight is a result of Acno not going all out. How would it make sense for a stronger version of Acno to get knocked out by a much weaker version of Igneel and even lose a limb, when a weaker version of Acno killed a much stronger Igneel with no remaining injuries? It just doesn't make sense if you don't account for him not going all out. If Acno went all out, then his fight in Tartaros would have ended much sooner.

Zeref made no such statement? I'm on my phone so I can't post it rn, but it's at the end of chapter 436, he straight up says that Acno is limiting himself and is still waiting for someone to truly challenge him. Your whole argument is that Acno went all out against Igneel in Tartaros, when 1) it's clearly stated he did not, and 2) it makes 0 sense for him to have gone all out since a weaker version of himself beat a far stronger version of Igneel and came out unscathed. I know you're going to say that scars don't matter but I'm not talking about scars, im talking about limbs. It would only make sense for Acno to have lost at the very least 1 limb in his first fight against Igneel, but nope, thats not what happened.

Um, why in the world would Igneel go easy on Acno??? He's committing a genocide and desperately wants to kill him, but nah let me go easy on him...yea I can't picture Igneel saying that. Igneel used to eat Atlas Flame? Since when? I thought it was just Atlas recognizing Natsu's scent or something.

Natsu started the fight knocked out? How's he gonna fight if he was knocked out? I think you meant Jacob's fight against the guild started with Natsu knocked out and luckily out of range, otherwise he would have been done for. Yes, im not doubting that Natsu held back during the fight, however, I am saying that he had no counter to Transport and would have instantly lost the battle if he wasn't luckily out of range. So yes it is very much luck. As for the Mavis part, it doesn't matter if Natsu would have vaporized Zeref, he'd regen in a couple of minutes and one shot the worn out Natsu the same way as he did when he had FH. The only difference is one would take a few more minutes of regen.

On top of giving you the power of an Acno tier, as stated by Eileen. As for Igneel tiring himself out, nah, Ultear beat Zeref lol. Igneel oneshots.

No it isn't, Acno was going all out, he literally acknowledges Igneel as worthy in the fight.
It makes perfect sense because we have no idea how Acno killed Igneel. It's unlikely they even fought in the first place given their dialogue. Acno could have did what Aria did to Makarov and sneak shotted him with soul magic, or done a bunch of prep and cast it at range like Universe One. In fact this is almost a certainty, given the fact that Igneel was only half dead instead of being fully dead.

Yep, no such statement. All Zeref says is that he's limiting himself in not trying to rule the world, not that he's never gone all out in a fight lol. As for waiting for a challenger, sure, and? Igneel's been dead a year, there was literally no one left to challenge him(ignoring the dragon gods).

Who knows. Igneel might not even have known who Acno was until it was too late. But like I said, in all likelihood, they never fought.
It's in the GMG arc, Atlas Flame recalls Igneel on his back, consuming his fire when Natsu does the same thing. There's a whole big panel showing Igneel doing it.

If you're gonna pretend Natsu got lucky because he was saved from Transport, then I'm just gonna go ahead and tell you, he was knocked out at the time, so it's not luck. Rather it was Jacob who was lucky that Natsu wasn't conscious when he attacked the guild, Lucy's save just balanced that out a bit.
As for countering transport, why would he need to? He could oneshot Jacob. That aside, Natsu could probably burn it, and could definitely dodge it. Transport couldn't even beat Mirajane.
You don't know how long it takes Zeref to regenerate, for all you know it would take hours to heal his whole vaporized body, Natsu could have been full throttle again. Certainly wouldn't oneshot Natsu given his pathetic performance, he needs FH for that.

 

[LaGOAT]

You say this every time you try debating me.

Cuz it’s too true

 

[Ramen]

Cuz it’s too true

That's a you problem cause I'm not.

 

[Dimitri1220]

On top of giving you the power of an Acno tier, as stated by Eileen. As for Igneel tiring himself out, nah, Ultear beat Zeref lol. Igneel oneshots.

No it isn't, Acno was going all out, he literally acknowledges Igneel as worthy in the fight.
It makes perfect sense because we have no idea how Acno killed Igneel. It's unlikely they even fought in the first place given their dialogue. Acno could have did what Aria did to Makarov and sneak shotted him with soul magic, or done a bunch of prep and cast it at range like Universe One. In fact this is almost a certainty, given the fact that Igneel was only half dead instead of being fully dead.

Yep, no such statement. All Zeref says is that he's limiting himself in not trying to rule the world, not that he's never gone all out in a fight lol. As for waiting for a challenger, sure, and? Igneel's been dead a year, there was literally no one left to challenge him(ignoring the dragon gods).

Who knows. Igneel might not even have known who Acno was until it was too late. But like I said, in all likelihood, they never fought.
It's in the GMG arc, Atlas Flame recalls Igneel on his back, consuming his fire when Natsu does the same thing. There's a whole big panel showing Igneel doing it.

If you're gonna pretend Natsu got lucky because he was saved from Transport, then I'm just gonna go ahead and tell you, he was knocked out at the time, so it's not luck. Rather it was Jacob who was lucky that Natsu wasn't conscious when he attacked the guild, Lucy's save just balanced that out a bit.
As for countering transport, why would he need to? He could oneshot Jacob. That aside, Natsu could probably burn it, and could definitely dodge it. Transport couldn't even beat Mirajane.
You don't know how long it takes Zeref to regenerate, for all you know it would take hours to heal his whole vaporized body, Natsu could have been full throttle again. Certainly wouldn't oneshot Natsu given his pathetic performance, he needs FH for that.

Irene didn't even know what Fairy Heart was, she just knew that it could somehow give them a chance. The only chance of FH beating Acno was if Zeref used it with the space between time, so by itself, FH just gives the user higher regen speed (time rewind) and infinite stamina. While those are op, they do nothing to actually increase Zeref's power/strength, it just makes him very hard to kill.

If you think FH gave Zeref a boost in power making him equal to Acno, then I don't know what to tell you. Im not even going to explain how wrong that is lmao.

Where's it stated that Zeref has to be in his life-loving form to use death magic? Didnt he flat out state in chapter 250 that once he stops caring about life, he has full control over his magic? I can already sense that you will bring up how he didn't use it against Natsu in both of their fights. In his first fight when Natsu had Igneel flames, Zeref still believed that there was a chance that Natsu could kill him, so there's no reason for him to go all out. In the second battle, Zeref wasn't even aiming to kill Natsu for half the fight, in fact when Larcade arrived to help him, Zeref straight up killed him for interrupting his fun. Then when he got FH he one shot a tired Natsu.

Your argument about Igneel and Acno never fighting in the past is actually pretty good. I am willing to say that Prime Igneel would beat August even if he copies his DS magic, but not half dead Igneel. That still doesn't deny the fact that Zeref verbatim said Acno is waiting for someone to truly challenge him. Meaning he hasn't been truly challenged yet, in any fight.

That looks more like Igneel on top of Atlas Flame, not him eating his fire. But if Igneel could eat fire, then that changes a lot since he'd be able to pretty much eat anything that August throws at him.

The only way that Natsu could one shot Jacob is if he used demolition fist or something stronger, which is something that Alvarez Natsu almost never started off with. Meanwhile, Jacob started off with Transport, so yes Natsu got lucky. He got lucky again when Happy got in between Jacob's hand the second time. How would Natsu dodge it? It's omnidirectional. As far as we know, Jacob's fight against Mirajane was him closing his the entire fight, which is another example of luck. It took only a couple of minutes at most for Zeref to heal from an almost dead state (when he fought Igneel Natsu), I don't think it would take hours to heal from vaporization. FH doesn't give Zeref any more power, it just gives him hax, none of which would let him one shot a healthy Natsu (other than space between time but that isn't optimal in battle).

 

[Seven777]

Irene didn't even know what Fairy Heart was, she just knew that it could somehow give them a chance. The only chance of FH beating Acno was if Zeref used it with the space between time, so by itself, FH just gives the user higher regen speed (time rewind) and infinite stamina. While those are op, they do nothing to actually increase Zeref's power/strength, it just makes him very hard to kill.

If you think FH gave Zeref a boost in power making him equal to Acno, then I don't know what to tell you. Im not even going to explain how wrong that is lmao.

Where's it stated that Zeref has to be in his life-loving form to use death magic? Didnt he flat out state in chapter 250 that once he stops caring about life, he has full control over his magic? I can already sense that you will bring up how he didn't use it against Natsu in both of their fights. In his first fight when Natsu had Igneel flames, Zeref still believed that there was a chance that Natsu could kill him, so there's no reason for him to go all out. In the second battle, Zeref wasn't even aiming to kill Natsu for half the fight, in fact when Larcade arrived to help him, Zeref straight up killed him for interrupting his fun. Then when he got FH he one shot a tired Natsu.

Your argument about Igneel and Acno never fighting in the past is actually pretty good. I am willing to say that Prime Igneel would beat August even if he copies his DS magic, but not half dead Igneel. That still doesn't deny the fact that Zeref verbatim said Acno is waiting for someone to truly challenge him. Meaning he hasn't been truly challenged yet, in any fight.

That looks more like Igneel on top of Atlas Flame, not him eating his fire. But if Igneel could eat fire, then that changes a lot since he'd be able to pretty much eat anything that August throws at him.

The only way that Natsu could one shot Jacob is if he used demolition fist or something stronger, which is something that Alvarez Natsu almost never started off with. Meanwhile, Jacob started off with Transport, so yes Natsu got lucky. He got lucky again when Happy got in between Jacob's hand the second time. How would Natsu dodge it? It's omnidirectional. As far as we know, Jacob's fight against Mirajane was him closing his the entire fight, which is another example of luck. It took only a couple of minutes at most for Zeref to heal from an almost dead state (when he fought Igneel Natsu), I don't think it would take hours to heal from vaporization. FH doesn't give Zeref any more power, it just gives him hax, none of which would let him one shot a healthy Natsu (other than space between time but that isn't optimal in battle).

Yes she did lol, even Jacob and Invel know what Fairy Heart is. Eileen was the one Zeref trusted to extract it's power.
No, it literally gives you infinite magic. With it, Makarov was going to make Fairy Tail as powerful as the Parent Dragons to destroy Face. Makarov also acknowledged the possibility of using it to defeat Acno.

Of course you're not, because you can't. You can say that FH failed to live up to it's hype, that's fine, but the fact is that it's a power boost, plain and simple. Zeref is simply incompetent and Natsu is simply overpowered.

Zeref doesn't have death magic. The curse of contradiction is what is responsible for what we fans call the "death wave". It is not Zeref's magic, it is Ankhseram's curse. What Zeref has is black magic, and it's not what hurt Aldaron, it is fodder. Literally no threat to Igneel.
As for your arguments against Natsu. Zeref literally stuck his hand through Natsu's chest in an attempt to kill him, then got his ass whooped. Death magic didn't save him then, because he doesn't have death magic, he has black magic, and it's weak.

Half dead Igneel not only beats August, he no diffs him. This is not a challenge, it's not even a fight, August is no threat to him. Igneel could literally just ignore every attack August launched at him until August gives up and goes home.
And no, Zeref's statement doesn't mean anything of the sort. It's ridiculous to assume Acno has never in his life been challenged, especially by the guy who took his arm.

The scene was to show the similarity between Natsu and Igneel, clearly.

Yes he does. Natsu will use Demolition Fist on anyone and everyone. He'll use it on Alvarez fodder if he wants to. So no, Natsu didn't get lucky. Jacob had no chance against him, like the rest of the spriggans, he was just too weak. No counters needed, no help needed. The manga had to structure itself to nerf Fairy Tail just so the spriggans would have a chance, and Jacob is a perfect example of that. He couldn't beat Mirajane with his "omnidirectional attack", because he's incompetent and because Transport is just not all that dangerous when Jacob is faced with people stronger than he is, like Natsu and Mirajane.
Zeref was scratched and bruised against IgNatsu. He was vaporized against DF Natsu, big difference.

 

[sharkai]

How are Spriggans any more relevant than Dragon Eaters? They're not. They were minions of Zeref who aimed to take down Acno. Dragon Eaters are minions of George who aim to take down DGs.
There are average DE like there are average Spriggans. There are black knights as aces of George, like top Spriggans as aces of Zeref. The average DEs overwhelm non serious team Natsu, like average Spriggans overwhelm non serious team Natsu.
Same shit. The role DEs play is pretty much identical to that of Spriggans, except they are doing so against 1 year timeskip team Natsu. So expect them to be a lot stronger as well.

Now, Erza may go onto defeat a black knight, she went onto defeat Eileen after all. But like Eileen's defeat, the defeat of the black knight is likely to be a result of help and may be controversial (like Eileen committing suicide).

Springgans were the final villians. It is understandable for everyone to need to help. Because they won't fight anymore villians afterwards.
The current villians are not special. If erza can't solo current enemy then she will never solo anyone ever again.
Zeref was someone we knew since lullaby arc or atleast heaven arc. These de are just knew

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So no actual explanation. Then I remain unconvinced that there wasn't 2 slashes. Erza blocked a verticle slash to her head/shoulders. Then her sword broke. Then Suzaku and Erza stared at eachother, and only after that did a wound open up horizontally across her body. Both the position and timing implies that there were 2 slashes. I am willing to change my mind on this, provided you can show me the path Suzaku's cut made in the panel of Erza blocking. But you won't. Suzaku is truly the goat. He is not only faster than Erza, but faster than Erza fans are willing to admit.

If Erza was faster than Suzaku, or even just as fast, then she could dodge even if she had no sword. Like how Jellal dodge several of her slashes when they fought. Which btw, isn't something that I believe he'll pull off against Suzaku. Sure, Erza did better than Jellal did against Neinhart. But Jellal wasn't using meteor to save Kagura. And yes, barely. She didn't react to the 2nd hit at all.

That's a ridiculous response. What Laxus won't say to an opponent that he frankly will never fight has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Irene can't hurt Acno with magical attacks because Acno is resistant to magic, up till the point where he is completely unscratched by Igneel's roar. Irene won't hurt Acno with physical attacks because Acno is stronger than Natsu with Ignia's flames, and Mercphobia is bigger and stronger than Irene.

Like I said, it doesn't matter if deus sema has dragon slaying properties. Acnologia is immune to DS magic too. He can no sell roars from Igneel. He's also stronger and faster than Erza, so he can just smash the meteor.

How is it my opinion to say that Irene can't kill Zeref? Zeref himself believed that only Igneel's power had the potential to kill him. Wendy didn't beat a Zeref tier. Faris had all of her powers nerfed by Selene after the orbs were destroyed. By the time Wendy found her, Faris was powerless and on the ground. Wendy just used separation enchantment to remove Faris from Touka. She beat a defenseless girl. Besides Natsu using FDK and flames of emotion, both of which he learned from Igneel, beat FH Zeref.

Btw, the power that Natsu had in his arm was just the leftovers from Igneel's corpse after his fight with Acno. If we want a good idea of the type of attacks Igneel used against Acno when they were fighting, we should probably be looking at what Ignia can do. And what Ignia can do is have Mercphobia drop an ocean on his flames, and then have Natsu eat the remaining flames for a powerup and use its power to wipe out Mercphobia's MP for the rest of his days.

Larcade's magic makes you horny. It doesn't lower your MP. We have seen characters go all out despite having injuries that cause excrutiating pain. This is no different, and in no way worse. So yeah, Wendy can absolutely defend against Irene's fireballs.

Erza didn't hurt Acnologia. Erza did less against Acno than Igneel's roar did against Acno, and Igneel's roar did nothing.

Enchantment doesn't bypass Acnologia's immunity to magic. I don't know how you're coming up with this stuff. Acnologia was immune to dragon slaying magic, which are all enchantments in the first place.
Come to think of it, dragon slaying seals are also enchantments, and team Natsu combined did pretty much nothing against Mercphobia. This is without Acnologia's immunity to magic. This is just Mercphobia's raw stats. Even if we ignored Acnologia's magical immunity, Acnologia would just toss Irene around like Natsu did to Mercphobia in a contest of raw stats. The idea that an enchanted shoe is going to hurt Acno when we factor in his magic immunity is laughable. Acnologia's is immune to magic even if he doesn't eat it.

Sorry for the late response.

Let's say I agree with your point that erza blocked the first strike. And didn't react to the second.
That still doesn't mean anything. Laxus couldn't even react to erza dual elemental swords. Didnt mean erza was tiers above laxus in speed. Erza not be able to dodge that strike doesnt mean much. Especially since erza jobs in the starts of any fight


You lost the point we were talking about
It's irene vs suzuku
But your entire argument seems to point at acno >>>selene

 

[Axiomus]

Sorry for the late response.

Let's say I agree with your point that erza blocked the first strike. And didn't react to the second.
That still doesn't mean anything. Laxus couldn't even react to erza dual elemental swords. Didnt mean erza was tiers above laxus in speed. Erza not be able to dodge that strike doesnt mean much. Especially since erza jobs in the starts of any fight


You lost the point we were talking about
It's irene vs suzuku
But your entire argument seems to point at acno >>>selene

The difference here is that Laxus can also blitz Erza. We've seen exchanges from that show that they are relatively equal. They can catch each other off guard from time to time.

Suzaku is flat out operating on a different level. Suzaku stomped Erza in 2 hits, oneshotted Natsu, and is currently winning against Selene. Suzaku just blitzed Selene before Selene could finish her attack.

 

[WoWfan]

Blitz is not really there since Fairy Tail Battle Royale, Erza could react point blank to Laxus' attacks, even Erza reacted to Suzaku, just did not have the best form at the moment, we still have to see what happens next chapter to see what happens to Selene

 

[sharkai]

The difference here is that Laxus can also blitz Erza. We've seen exchanges from that show that they are relatively equal. They can catch each other off guard from time to time.

Suzaku is flat out operating on a different level. Suzaku stomped Erza in 2 hits, oneshotted Natsu, and is currently winning against Selene. Suzaku just blitzed Selene before Selene could finish her attack.

Doesn't matter. Erza jobs in the start, In literally every arc. Biltzing her once means nothing
Only an insane person will rank erza from her performance in the start, at this point in the manga.

And I wouldn't count on Selene feat right now. That portal things doesn't seems good for suzaku. I wouldn't be surprised if suzaku only beat the leader of moon lightgoddewst, nothing more

 

[Axiomus]

Doesn't matter. Erza jobs in the start, In literally every arc. Biltzing her once means nothing
Only an insane person will rank erza from her performance in the start, at this point in the manga.

And I wouldn't count on Selene feat right now. That portal things doesn't seems good for suzaku. I wouldn't be surprised if suzaku only beat the leader of moon lightgoddewst, nothing more

Yes, it does lol. Erza wasn't jobbing. She was outclassed.

The fact that Suzaku can cut up Selene makes everything else obsolete. Selene scales above Aldoron. Even if Erza comes back 10x stronger, she's still getting stomped by Suzaku.

The only argument against Suzaku right now is denial of his showings last chapter. Which shouldn't even matter if we're being intellectually honest, because Suzaku's feats already consists of stomping Natsu and Erza in less than 10 seconds. He's simply on a different level.

 

[Ronin31]

Even if Erza comes back 10x stronger, she's still getting stomped by Suzaku.

I keep that in my mind for the time Fairy Tail's members will take down all the Black Knights Quartets.

 

[Axiomus]

I keep that in my mind for the time Fairy Tail's members will take down all the Black Knights Quartets.

Yeah, and Natsu will end up beating all the god dragons. It doesn't matter.

As of right now, Suzaku is simply in a league of his own. The following chapters might change this, but based on everything we've seen in the last chapter....He stomps.

 

[GL_Nova]

Doesn't matter. Erza jobs in the start, In literally every arc. Biltzing her once means nothing
Only an insane person will rank erza from her performance in the start, at this point in the manga.

And I wouldn't count on Selene feat right now. That portal things doesn't seems good for suzaku. I wouldn't be surprised if suzaku only beat the leader of moon lightgoddewst, nothing more

She doesn’t have anything else to suggest she’s close to him in speed. She needed a power boost for her only “blitz” in the first place. Nothing suggests it’s a fluke either.

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I keep that in my mind for the time Fairy Tail's members will take down all the Black Knights Quartets.

You realize, this doesn’t invalidate their feats. It’s a shounen. The entire point of the antagonists is to be stepping stones for our protags. The BDSK are just benchmarks for where Mashima wants FT S class to be.

 

[grey matter]

Springgans were the final villians. It is understandable for everyone to need to help. Because they won't fight anymore villians afterwards.
The current villians are not special. If erza can't solo current enemy then she will never solo anyone ever again.
Zeref was someone we knew since lullaby arc or atleast heaven arc. These de are just knew

Spriggans weren't final villains, they were underlings of Zeref, who was one of the final bosses. If we use that logic, DE are final villains as well, since George is getting setup to be one of the endgame bosses.

The current villains are as special as Spriggans. They have pretty much identical roles and hierarchy.
They are underlings of George, who is looking to be one of the final villains of the spinoff.

By your logic, it's understandable for everyone to need help against DEs too. Because 100YQ is likely to be the last we'll ever see of FT, they won't fight villains afterwards. I don't think more spinoffs will be coming. So no more villains afterwards.

True for Zeref. And DGs came out of nowhere as well, while Acno had been a thing since OS arc in x784. Still doesn't change the fact that DGs play a role similar to what Acno did in main series.
Same case with George. Except this time it seems that the power discrepancy between George and his minions, and DGs, isn't insane like it was between Acno and Zeref/Spriggans
Just like Zeref and his minions wanted to take down Acno. George and his minions want to take down DGs. It's pretty much ditto scenarios.

 

[sharkai]

Yes, it does lol. Erza wasn't jobbing. She was outclassed.

The fact that Suzaku can cut up Selene makes everything else obsolete. Selene scales above Aldoron. Even if Erza comes back 10x stronger, she's still getting stomped by Suzaku.

The only argument against Suzaku right now is denial of his showings last chapter. Which shouldn't even matter if we're being intellectually honest, because Suzaku's feats already consists of stomping Natsu and Erza in less than 10 seconds. He's simply on a different level.

Erza was outclassed by kagura too. By marin too, by kyria too. You have very short memory span

Not really. Its simple pattern. Natsu is the only one who is allowed to beat the boss. So there might be something up

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She doesn’t have anything else to suggest she’s close to him in speed. She needed a power boost for her only “blitz” in the first place. Nothing suggests it’s a fluke either.

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You realize, this doesn’t invalidate their feats. It’s a shounen. The entire point of the antagonists is to be stepping stones for our protags. The BDSK are just benchmarks for where Mashima wants FT S class to be.

Actually mishma already showed erza matching suzaku speed. When non serious of course.

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Spriggans weren't final villains, they were underlings of Zeref, who was one of the final bosses. If we use that logic, DE are final villains as well, since George is getting setup to be one of the endgame bosses.

The current villains are as special as Spriggans. They have pretty much identical roles and hierarchy.
They are underlings of George, who is looking to be one of the final villains of the spinoff.

By your logic, it's understandable for everyone to need help against DEs too. Because 100YQ is likely to be the last we'll ever see of FT, they won't fight villains afterwards. I don't think more spinoffs will be coming. So no more villains afterwards.

True for Zeref. And DGs came out of nowhere as well, while Acno had been a thing since OS arc in x784. Still doesn't change the fact that DGs play a role similar to what Acno did in main series.
Same case with George. Except this time it seems that the power discrepancy between George and his minions, and DGs, isn't insane like it was between Acno and Zeref/Spriggans
Just like Zeref and his minions wanted to take down Acno. George and his minions want to take down DGs. It's pretty much ditto scenarios.

Springgans arc was the final arc. Thus good guys needed help against springgans made sense.
But as of now, nothing suggest de are the final villians.
De are like tartarus demons or 7 kins as of now. Nothing more
And I dont see erza gildarts and laxus needing help against de while natsu goes on to solo ignia
Even against springgan. Erza needed help against the strongest. Why would erza.need help against a random bdsk

 

[grey matter]

Springgans arc was the final arc. Thus good guys needed help against springgans made sense.
But as of now, nothing suggest de are the final villians.
De are like tartarus demons or 7 kins as of now. Nothing more
And I dont see erza gildarts and laxus needing help against de while natsu goes on to solo ignia

Wrong. George is getting set up as an endgame boss.

 

[Axiomus]

Erza was outclassed by kagura too. By marin too, by kyria too. You have very short memory span

Not really. Its simple pattern. Natsu is the only one who is allowed to beat the boss. So there might be something up

Kyria's and Marin had gimmicks to avoid actually fighting Erza. Suzaku straight up cut down Erza with speed and power.

Kagura didnt really outclass Erza. Erza got the better of her in the end, and then beat Minerva afterwards. Suzaku stomped Natsu after stomping Erza, the rest of team Natsu had to run away, and Wendy had to heal them. Suzaku then went on to fight Selene, and is currently winning. Not even remotely comparable showings.

Even if Selene gets up and kills Suzaku now, Suzaku already has feats of blitzing a serious Selene. If anything, Suzaku may have injured Selene enough for Natsu to finish her off.

 

[sharkai]

Wrong. George is getting set up as an endgame boss.

Maybe, but you don't know that yet

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Kyria's and Marin had gimmicks to avoid actually fighting Erza. Suzaku straight up cut down Erza with speed and power.

Kagura didnt really outclass Erza. Erza got the better of her in the end, and then beat Minerva afterwards. Suzaku stomped Natsu after stomping Erza, the rest of team Natsu had to run away, and Wendy had to heal them. Suzaku then went on to fight Selene, and is currently winning. Not even remotely comparable showings.

Even if Selene gets up and kills Suzaku now, Suzaku already has feats of blitzing a serious Selene. If anything, Suzaku may have injured Selene enough for Natsu to finish her off.

Mishma doesn't work with gimmick.
Kagura outclassed erza completely.
As I said stomping an erza who just started to fight means nothing. At max it means erza might not low diff suzaku or his betters five minutes later when she is in the mood to fight

 

[grey matter]

Maybe, but you don't know that yet

It's pretty obvious lol.

DE have been a thing since the very beginning of 100 YQ, and are still around after 2 DGs are down. They will be around until the end of the spinoff. Wanna bet?
They're currently getting massive hype because of what Suzaku is doing as well.