Games Mafia Game 96 - Civilization XCVI - END GAME

[Shad]

Why are our investigators this chaotic?!

They feel stress even tho the lynch for last 5 days has nothing to do with them >.<
We are clearly gonna keep going for the Janitor and we do everyday, they still claim for no reason.

 

[Holt]

I honestly don’t understand why we are letting Brandish survive again considering his bs.

 

[digitaldude]

Well these are the posts I'm referring to with my lies.
Did I missunderstand something?

He said he investigated DD and that DD was not a protection role.

so you didnt just flat out lie here?

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bruh done for today, this is crazy.

 

[Equaling Heaven]

I don't want to defend DD here but what if PO is in the game because of the amount of day kill role players could grab by going down om the civic routes?

 

[Shad]

He said he investigated DD and that DD was not a protection role.

so you didnt just flat out lie here?

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bruh done for today, this is crazy.

Can somebody read what I quotted and tell me if I understood this wrong, or is DD the crazy one?
DD I quotted the conversation, can you actually show me where is the mistake?

 

[Holt]

The only reasoning I can understand for this mass pick of Imp over Brandish is that the other mafia are using the chaos to save Brandish again. I really think we should lynch him today. Doesn’t make any sense to leave him

 

[Shad]

The only reasoning I can understand for this mass pick of Imp over Brandish is that the other mafia are using the chaos to save Brandish again. I really think we should lynch him today. Doesn’t make any sense to leave him

I can switch anytime, but it been so long I forgot why I'm going for Impreium over Brandish anymore >.<
I think @SonOfDaws suggested that?

Brain fried from arguing so much today.

 

[Imperium]

The only reasoning I can understand for this mass pick of Imp over Brandish is that the other mafia are using the chaos to save Brandish again. I really think we should lynch him today. Doesn’t make any sense to leave him

It's some bizarre circular logic they are using. "You saved brandish so lynch you". But then, why don't you just lynch....brandish?

 

[Seraph]

I never said i investigated DD, Shad. I simply doubt his claim. That's all i've been saying. I wasn't trying to say that i am an investigator, which i am not.

 

[James Rye]

I honestly don’t understand why we are letting Brandish survive again considering his bs.

Well, for one - I can't vote.
But I can shoot tomorrow, so that's good.

 

[Belserion]

Isn't this a question for the Hosts and not me? How am i supposed to know that. Believe it or not i legit did not have the energy and time to read through those mechanics, from what the Hosts had told me i figured i could use my action only on people from the same continent as me. Didn't stop to think it would change the following nights.

I only knew about this coastline and Mountain thing through people talking about it in the thread too, whenever i had a second of time.

I understand irl situations can come out of nowhere and interrupt plans, but this seems too careless. You could have simply confirmed with the hosts if you could target someone from your own continent if you didn't have time to read. But anyway I won't linger here. The only reason I'm picking this apart is because I learned my lesson with you from last time. You make silly "Townie" mistakes that no Mafia would dream of making when in fact it's like reverse reverse psychology.

 

[Holt]

For those picking Imp over Brandish, what is the reason?

 

[digitaldude]

Protected Belserion, Holt, Gajeel.

 

[Slaynoir]

VoteKILL!Lock BRANDISH

You heard the man. Everyone should say their routes, even if you've already stated yours. I'll make a list I guess.

Healthy Townie

You know what, it makes sense. I'm switching from Digital Dude to Brandish. Too many arguments, to many cross refs, I've had enough of this bickering. Take 'em out already, we'll see what happens if they're what we think they are.

 

[Shad]

It's some bizarre circular logic they are using. "You saved brandish so lynch you". But then, why don't you just lynch....brandish?

Btw all holt is saying is that we should kill the guy with the important role first, he is not saying you are being framed I think.

When it comes to who to vote up today, I think the change in killers may be indicative that we were getting close on D2 and that implicates both Brandish and Imperium.

When trying to pick between the two I think it's important to note anc compare the number of scenarios in which argument for guilt works: A weird and under-explained vote by a possible mafia, Imperium in this case, could make sense as being either to save possible mafia teammate, Brandish in this case, or just because both of the two top lynch contenders are townie and the mafia just threw a vote on one those townies make sure that ONE of them would die, however, it does NOT make sense for a mafia member to save someone who is a townie.

In other words, Brandish being killed doesn't necessarily do much to confirm or deny Imperium being guilty since a guilty party would have motivation to kill Sakura, a townie, regardless. However, Imperium turning up guilty HEAVILY implicates Brandish since Imperium saved him.

So, we can be more sure about Brandish after lynching Imperium than we can be about Imperium after lynching Brandish.

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Votekill Imperium

I'm too tired to be sure, but I disagree as in this case, Imperium voted to save brandish when he had 3 votes while everybody has 2.
But quoting this for others to read and give their opinion on what this means and to let us know if brandish makes more sense.

Well, for one - I can't vote.
But I can shoot tomorrow, so that's good.

At least deny the mentee accusation?

People please go back and read the conversation where he is trying to get us to believe that he is doing it for the memes.
This dude is mentee and is trying to look like trolling so that if he survives the dual and he kills a mafia, he get a pass for the rest of the game!

No shame.

 

[Holt]

^^ @Seraph @Belserion @MarmaladeSky @SonOfDaws

 

[Seraph]

I understand irl situations can come out of nowhere and interrupt plans, but this seems too careless. You could have simply confirmed with the hosts if you could target someone from your own continent if you didn't have time to read. But anyway I won't linger here. The only reason I'm picking this apart is because I learned my lesson with you from last time. You make silly "Townie" mistakes that no Mafia would dream of making when in fact it's like reverse reverse psychology.

I could've but i didn't think of it, stupid mistake. My bad, fair analogy.

@Holt I don't buy his bomb claim, his behaviour seems odd for his situation and honestly, i could've picked Brandish too. They seem equally guilty, though not sure that is somewhat reassuring coming from the guy closest to a hostkill.

 

[Slaynoir]

Down to 49 minus minutes, we all have to agree on someone soon.

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I had a stupid test, sorry for earlier. I'm still wanting Digital to go, but I figure for the moment until I investigate him, I can't be for sure. Hopefully I'll live, but if not, well, then that's that.

 

[Holt]

In other words, Brandish being killed doesn't necessarily do much to confirm or deny Imperium being guilty since a guilty party would have motivation to kill Sakura, a townie, regardless. However, Imperium turning up guilty HEAVILY implicates Brandish since Imperium saved him.

But this doesn't make much sense? I like this post without properly digesting it apparently. If Imp is a scum and Brandish is not, there would be zero motivation for Imp to "save" Brandish. If they're not teammates, then Imp would've simply let them die. I mean, let's think about this:

Imp as town-tied votes to "buy time to catchup". Sloppy yes, but not an impossibility. They also mentioned Sakura's flip would be amusing. It is not entirely different Lawl. I'm not in anyway justifying this move, but it isn't exactly an impossibility. In this case, Brandish's flip is irrelevant because Imp would be town and so wouldn't know (unless they're traitor I guess)

Imp as mafia- tied votes to save Brandish. In which case, Brandish would be a mafia role worth saving. And if you suspect Imp because of this, then obviously Brandish has to be mafia. Imp as mafia would have no reason to save Brandish or pick one townie over the other.

My argument is more along the lines of, if Imp is scum, Brandish is scum too (for those heavily suspecting Imp). My gripe with Brandish is even less about this and more about the fact that he has escaped lynch twice. 3rd day and he explicitly refused to cooperate in anyway that would help us get any closer to figuring things out. There is literally no reason to keep him around, and certainly not worth picking Imp over Brandish *IF* you suspect Imp saved Brandish on D1

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@Holt I don't buy his bomb claim, his behaviour seems odd for his situation and honestly, i could've picked Brandish too. They seem equally guilty, though not sure that is somewhat reassuring coming from the guy closest to a hostkill.

Well atleast that is one claim among the two. Brandish so far has given us nothing to work on, and afaik, even the suspicion of Imp lying about their role ties in to apparently saving Brandish D1.

 

[digitaldude]

So does everyone voting imp think brandish isnt mafia?