Fantasy Suzaku vs Irene Belserion

[kenedyfake]

Well he would use her requip Which is caster type, he just can’t use the magic from the items themselves.

August's Hax is useless against Erza, hard to understand that? the strong point of magic is being immune to magic, which is not the case against Erza / Suzaku or a Cana with their cards. Same as Gildarts, from the moment he used a mechanical arm to use magic it was effective.

the discussion is about how strong August is in his physical status. for me he would only take one shot from Suzaku and get a good fight against current Erza

 

[WoWfan]

August's Hax is useless against Erza, hard to understand that? the strong point of magic is being immune to magic, which is not the case against Erza / Suzaku or a Cana with their cards. Same as Gildarts, from the moment he used a mechanical arm to use magic it was effective.

the discussion is about how strong August is in his physical status. for me he would only take one shot from Suzaku and get a good fight against current Erza

I don’t think you understand, he uses her requip and uses the weapons themselves against her, her space magic is not a holder magic, you are thinking Lucy’s Celestial Magic, Even while it may have been affective, it did jack to put August down, the same person who Gildarts could not beat and is stated to be too strong for the sequel.

 

[kenedyfake]

I don’t think you understand, he uses her requip and uses the weapons themselves against her, her space magic is not a holder magic, you are thinking Lucy’s Celestial Magic, Even while it may have been affective, it did jack to put August down, the same person who Gildarts could not beat and is stated to be too strong for the sequel.

I'll try to explain until a child understands, okay? Can August copy a spell from Erza? He can. It is efficient? not. Just like August can also copy a Gildartz spell, but if he uses his magic + his mechanical arm, his arm will become effective against August. Erza brings a sword and uses magic on it, it's the same thing.
I think you got too attached to a holder magic, and forget application of using tools in the fight, like a card or mechanical weapon. Erza's magic is just bringing weapons or armor, with a weapon in hand, she already overtakes the hax passive

If Suzaku doesn't have a tool (sword)
August will would be immune to your attacks, probably... as is not the case, he is one shot material for Suzaku.


August invecebility ( my point ) doesn't work on tool-using magic

If you can't understand it yet, don't even quote me, I won't enter this loop. ZzzZZz

> chapter 526 August's magic being explained by Gildartz

 

[Crimson Ice]

How would know know his physical attacks are stronger when his breath attacks didn’t land? And yet that reasoning has no evidence to back it up as to why when other instances show just why attitude doesn’t determine the effort one puts into a fight, and so you think he was serious which means he put in the effort, because GS is a dragon To Acno? So personally, Acno would always put effort when DS/Dragons involved?

Physical attacks have been stronger for all dragons. Igneel's breath did nothing, his physical attacks did. Irene's meteor couldn't put down Erza, her swipe did. Look at you, putting words in my mouth. Never once did I say that that he was more serious because Serena was a DS, nor has there been an instance where Acno was serious and played around with his prey. You put words into my mouth and still can't put together a good argument.

 

[WoWfan]

I'll try to explain until a child understands, okay? Can August copy a spell from Erza? He can. It is efficient? not. Just like August can also copy a Gildartz spell, but if he uses his magic + his mechanical arm, his arm will become effective against August. Erza brings a sword and uses magic on it, it's the same thing.
I think you got too attached to a holder magic, and forget application of using tools in the fight, like a card or mechanical weapon. Erza's magic is just bringing weapons or armor, with a weapon in hand, she already overtakes the hax passive

If Suzaku doesn't have a tool (sword)
August will would be immune to your attacks, probably... as is not the case, he is one shot material for Suzaku.


August invecebility ( my point ) doesn't work on tool-using magic

If you can't understand it yet, don't even quote me, I won't enter this loop. ZzzZZz

> chapter 526 August's magic being explained by Gildartz

And yet the effectiveness against August is invalid since it hardly worked, and August using her magic he basically has access to her very weapons as well since it’s her magic, for Suzaku, we know he ate Dragon Flesh so he would have some Caster Magic, we don’t know the specifics of why he carried a sword though , like maybe he channels his magic through it such being revolving around sword arts. again, he may not be able to copy holder magic, but against Erza, it is no issue when he has access to her arsenal via requip.

Physical attacks have been stronger for all dragons. Igneel's breath did nothing, his physical attacks did. Irene's meteor couldn't put down Erza, her swipe did. Look at you, putting words in my mouth. Never once did I say that that he was more serious because Serena was a DS, nor has there been an instance where Acno was serious and played around with his prey. You put words into my mouth and still can't put together a good argument.

They worked because he is a dragon so physical attacks do work on Acno, Erza had Irene’s enchant from Wendy and used her offensive power sword to add to attack the meteor as well, it is not about defensive power, she simply countered the meteor's power output with greater power, and she managed to cut Irene once she gets DS, it is no different from fresh Mira attacking Zirconis and did nothing, and when weakened Wendy attacked it caused him harm, you see the difference? you are not making sense at this point, I am going to assume you mean Acno does not take GS seriously which means he doesn’t put effort in then.

 

[Steven]

50% Base Irene is still enough to defeat Suzaku

Guess what a swordfighter is without his sword.Yeah,nothing

 

[grey matter]

50% Base Irene is still enough to defeat Suzaku

Guess what a swordfighter is without his sword.Yeah,nothing

50% base Eileen wouldn't even beat x792 Erza.... x792 Erza herself have Full Power base Eileen a high diff fight.

Suzaku one shots her

 

[WoWfan]

50% base Eileen wouldn't even beat x792 Erza.... x792 Erza herself have Full Power base Eileen a high diff fight.

Suzaku one shots her

Even at full power with power up from Irene couldn't even beat Irene herself, even Wendy possessed could toss around Erza effortlessly.

 

[LYEL]

Something annoying about Irene is that she is actually a dragonslayer with belserion's magic but we never see her using such powers in the fights, she choose to fight with the magic Zeref taugh her and basically the only thing about DS magic she has to remember is Belserion's name. In all context Irene should have 3 kinds of magic lines and variants: DS magic, Zeref's enchantment magic, Dragon Form magic. But DS magic was forgotten, maybe because after becoming a dragon she can't do this anymore. Suzaku is strong indeed, but let us be fair: Mashima never worked the 12 spriggans very well and the best ones of them Irene and August were defeated "by themselves", one commited suicide and the other lost the will to live. Against Suzaku who got a better background and had more time to be worked on as a character, he is MUCH better. No wonder people find it easy to say who might win the fight between these 2.

 

[grey matter]

Something annoying about Irene is that she is actually a dragonslayer with belserion's magic but we never see her using such powers in the fights, she choose to fight with the magic Zeref taugh her and basically the only thing about DS magic she has to remember is Belserion's name. In all context Irene should have 3 kinds of magic lines and variants: DS magic, Zeref's enchantment magic, Dragon Form magic. But DS magic was forgotten, maybe because after becoming a dragon she can't do this anymore. Suzaku is strong indeed, but let us be fair: Mashima never worked the 12 spriggans very well and the best ones of them Irene and August were defeated "by themselves", one commited suicide and the other lost the will to live. Against Suzaku who got a better background and had more time to be worked on as a character, he is MUCH better. No wonder people find it easy to say who might win the fight between these 2.

Nah, it's purely based on feats and scaling. Suzaku one shotted Natsu and Erza who are tiers above their x792 selves
Suzaku is human Acno tier unless some retcon is coming.
Eileen (and every character in x792,) is one shot material for Acno, which he proved when August was a sitting duck and shitting his pants at serious Acno

August and Eileen were strong for their time, but like any other villain they also get powercreeped. No different from Mard Geer and Hades

 

[WoWfan]

No real evidence that they are tiers above their Alvarez selves besides getting some new spells. August was more surprised that GS could be beaten by a casual Acno, where as Irene impressed him more. Mard was already stronger than Hades after the time skip.

Something annoying about Irene is that she is actually a dragonslayer with belserion's magic but we never see her using such powers in the fights, she choose to fight with the magic Zeref taugh her and basically the only thing about DS magic she has to remember is Belserion's name. In all context Irene should have 3 kinds of magic lines and variants: DS magic, Zeref's enchantment magic, Dragon Form magic. But DS magic was forgotten, maybe because after becoming a dragon she can't do this anymore. Suzaku is strong indeed, but let us be fair: Mashima never worked the 12 spriggans very well and the best ones of them Irene and August were defeated "by themselves", one commited suicide and the other lost the will to live. Against Suzaku who got a better background and had more time to be worked on as a character, he is MUCH better. No wonder people find it easy to say who might win the fight between these 2.

Well, with her personality, she would not really want to use it given that it is what caused her to become a Dragon in the first place.

 

[Tirl]

Something annoying about Irene is that she is actually a dragonslayer with belserion's magic but we never see her using such powers in the fights, she choose to fight with the magic Zeref taugh her and basically the only thing about DS magic she has to remember is Belserion's name. In all context Irene should have 3 kinds of magic lines and variants: DS magic, Zeref's enchantment magic, Dragon Form magic. But DS magic was forgotten, maybe because after becoming a dragon she can't do this anymore. Suzaku is strong indeed, but let us be fair: Mashima never worked the 12 spriggans very well and the best ones of them Irene and August were defeated "by themselves", one commited suicide and the other lost the will to live. Against Suzaku who got a better background and had more time to be worked on as a character, he is MUCH better. No wonder people find it easy to say who might win the fight between these 2.

What is Belserion's magic? I saw no such thing in the manga. Dragons don't need to have some unique magic or element, the same as wizards. It's likely most of the dragons don't even have spell magic, they are just beings with magic power.
And what do you even mean by "magic Zeref taught her"? Enchantment is her own original magic. Manga literally showed it as she invented it (or maybe there were simply no one in her kingdom with such magic). No one taught her that.

DS is not a magic, it is just an attribute. If you are DS, your magic has DS attribute, that's all.

You don't need to take the dragon's magic type to use, all you need is a dragon attribute for your magic.
If you are a water mage and you took dragon slaying ability from fire dragon, you won't become a fire mage out of nowhere. Well, maybe yes, but that's not the point, you will still have water magic with DS attribute.

How would even the dragon, which Kyria ate, look and fight with such magic? Or Suzaku's dragon O_O xd And what magic would people get from some of GMG dragons?

 

[Axiomus]

Gildarts hasn't shown us anything in Alvarez arc that Laxus/Erza can't replicate. Even if Gildarts is stronger, it'll be the same difference they had when they were on Tenrou Island. The difference between Suzaku and Erza/Laxus is way larger. There's no scenario which Gildarts oneshots Erza and Natsu like Suzaku did.

100YQ DF Natsu is 100% stronger than Alvarez Gildarts. To the point that it caught Selene's interest, and wanted to use him to fight the other god dragons. Suzaku is strong enough to meet the expectations Selene was putting on Natsu. Everything about Suzaku, from his feats of to his portrayal, pegs him as a borderline god tier on par with DF Natsu. And DF Natsu eviscerates Irene.

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What is Belserion's magic?

He's the sage dragon. Irene can only use master enchants like deus sema by drawing in the wisdom of a sage dragon, so a sage dragon probably has a smarter brain or something.

 

[WoWfan]

except that Suzaku got a handicap on them with them not being peak condition, especially since they are in Elterir where magic is amped anyway. And all Erza and Laxus did was destroyed a tower in Aldoron arc, Gildarts basically uplifted the landscape and casually broke a mountain. Accept Suzaku was cowarding before her dragon form while Natsu basically defeated Aldoron while he is close to his peak, the difference is vast.

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

The scarlet boi wins both rounds. Scarlet boy is best boy.

 

[WoWfan]

What is Belserion's magic? I saw no such thing in the manga. Dragons don't need to have some unique magic or element, the same as wizards. It's likely most of the dragons don't even have spell magic, they are just beings with magic power.
And what do you even mean by "magic Zeref taught her"? Enchantment is her own original magic. Manga literally showed it as she invented it (or maybe there were simply no one in her kingdom with such magic). No one taught her that.

DS is not a magic, it is just an attribute. If you are DS, your magic has DS attribute, that's all.

You don't need to take the dragon's magic type to use, all you need is a dragon attribute for your magic.
If you are a water mage and you took dragon slaying ability from fire dragon, you won't become a fire mage out of nowhere. Well, maybe yes, but that's not the point, you will still have water magic with DS attribute.

How would even the dragon, which Kyria ate, look and fight with such magic? Or Suzaku's dragon O_O xd And what magic would people get from some of GMG dragons?

His magic would be enchantments just like Irene’s

 

[grey matter]

Gildarts hasn't shown us anything in Alvarez arc that Laxus/Erza can't replicate. Even if Gildarts is stronger, it'll be the same difference they had when they were on Tenrou Island. The difference between Suzaku and Erza/Laxus is way larger. There's no scenario which Gildarts oneshots Erza and Natsu like Suzaku did.

100YQ DF Natsu is 100% stronger than Alvarez Gildarts. To the point that it caught Selene's interest, and wanted to use him to fight the other god dragons. Suzaku is strong enough to meet the expectations Selene was putting on Natsu. Everything about Suzaku, from his feats of to his portrayal, pegs him as a borderline god tier on par with DF Natsu. And DF Natsu eviscerates Irene.

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He's the sage dragon. Irene can only use master enchants like deus sema by drawing in the wisdom of a sage dragon, so a sage dragon probably has a smarter brain or something.

You're talking about the potential Gildarts in x793 right? Cause x793 Erza most likely is on or above x792 Gildarts, or at least very damn close.

 

[WoWfan]

Nothing really showed Gildarts trained or anything, Erza would still be close but not enough

 

[Steven]

50% base Eileen wouldn't even beat x792 Erza.... x792 Erza herself have Full Power base Eileen a high diff fight.

Suzaku one shots her

Irene>George>Suzaku

She oneshots

 

[grey matter]

Irene>George>Suzaku

She oneshots

Headcanon based on nothing.
As of now, George > Suzaku >= human Selene >>>>>>>> Eileen

Eileen couldn't even one shot x792 Erza, hell the fight between them was pretty much textbook back & forth battle, AFTER Wendy went down and Eileen was furious and screeching (hence no more excuse of "she was holding back")

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There is zero basis to the claim that Eileen would one shot Suzaku.
Suzaku one shots Eileen based on both feats and hype.


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Amazing how almost no Eileen defender here has any sense of logic or basic scaling.

The only somewhat reasonable argument so far is "Suzaku's power will be retconned soon", even this would only give credibility to the argument that Suzaku wouldn't one shot, he'd still low diff based on his feats.
Every other argument in this thread so far has been straight up retardation.