Games Mafia Game 97 - Omoneko: Answer Arc - End Game

[Copy Panda]

The witch shall praise the wise and bestow four treasures. One shall be all the gold from the Golden Land. One shall be the resurrection of all the dead souls. One shall be the resurrection of the love that was lost. One shall be to put the witch to sleep for all time.

Post-game
End of Game Death Post
End of Game Winner Post
Updated OP
Night Actions Umi I + Night Actions Umi II
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[GrySun]

Hello.

I wasn't aware that voting was mandatory (my fault for not paying sufficient diligence to the rules I guess).

I'll place a random vote for now and update it later if I catch up/am able to form a solid read:

Vote Lynch: Vandred.

What‘s your role?

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The more I think the more I see how the gimmick in protecting the same person isn't a bad idea at all.
This make me thing that both Farf and Gry are right. Thunder not striking the same place twice is a possibility yes because of how mafia could fuck town or the other teams by making everyone an illusion and leaving them thinkin they are still able to use their roles creating a scenario of consecutive failing and a growth on the suspection rate. But you can prevent this by protecting the same person more than once. I'm confused.

No need for you to overthink it unless you‘re claiming a protective role. This is something for the protectors to think on and ideally agree with me

 

[AwkwardMisha]

Oh wow 28 pages already

Need to catch up ~

 

[Equaling Heaven]

I want to ask the people with active roles what they did last night, but it still too early to share such information imho.
My intention is to somewhat try and narrow down things.

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No need for you to overthink it unless you‘re claiming a protective role. This is something for the protectors to think on and ideally agree with me

Someone have to overthink. I hate when the game feels quiet.

 

[Farfalla]

don‘t follow, how do votes and hints correlate?

No, I meant another way to learn about illusions is like that u.u lemme get home so I can read things properly in case I didn't get your question then.

 

[Baka Taichou]

I still don't get it.

If you believed a real bomb was dying, why not say anything? My issue is your selfish way of thinking, you only ever mention yourself. I said you kept quiet hoping someone would die over you. How have you countered that argument? If you were legit not caring about dying you would had clearly acknowledged this so someone with a good role didn't die in your place.

Btw you joined a stressing game when you had no time, to then stress yourself?

no, I joined when i had time, this video editing shit was put in my lap 2 hours before EOB and with deadline next day. Sth that shouldn't have happened.
I asked why i was the last one, no one answered, i figured because i locked after the 3rd vote and accepted my fate if he was indeed bomb, i didn't sus him as bomb, someone mentioned, ofc i didn't want to die but then again I wasn't that important to want to fight it, got distracted with work, came back cuz i promised EH the updated hint list, then went back to work and forgot to take a break, as i usually do. Stopped working at 12am and came back just to start writing and catching up and seeing "day end" post. That's the timeline for last night's events. Make what you will of them, I'm done arguing my case.

 

[Evil3ye]

But mafia kills should ideally be used to pop illusions not strong roles like doctor. No way do the other 2-3 teams never kill the same person as another team thus wasting their kill and shattering an Illusion.

We won't have any evidence how many killers there are out there until we start finding the bodies. All of this 3 teams hypothesis based on that assumption. Who isn't to say there's a huge ass team and lot of townie killing roles. The only dead body we saw so far was a Bomb role. Hoping for Mafia to pop some illusions is not best play in my opinion, because we might as well just end up getting nowhere, as they would obviously know who not to targer anymore. That on top of the other obvious reason that our Docs might just be protecting mafias in the first place.

Also evil, you said ealry we gotta claim early with this mechanic but honestly, I don't get it ?


What's the difference between between previous game and now, honestly form how i see it, it's more beneficial to be vaque about your hint, the fact that mafia know who illusion but don't know their role makes it harder for them to claim as there more roles running around and more easily slip up and claim a role that someone else have, even an illusion, they couldn't know that they had it unless the have a janitor then thats a different talk


Anyways, I don't see why you pushing for people that already gave hints when it's day 2, it's like you collecting infos for who to kill and which role is good
I don't see what's good right now hinting more can grant us in day 2 when there role like det instead get them at more risk of dying before they reach number of days they need to be of use.

Because we will have a lot of players for a lot of time. Imagine day 4 with still 25 players (normal+illusions) and only 10 claimed, 15 sus with fishy ambigious hints. Where normally we would have maybe 17 players and 10 claims, 7 still being fishy and sus. You see the difference here?

 

[Holt]

This kinda sucks because only the killers get to know which players are technically already dead. Making it risky from now on for our active roles to target and kill people.

Ideally protector roles should keep protecting the same person(if they believe them to be town) since that way we know for sure of someone that is not an Illusion.

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Hm thread was unlocked so I assume it‘s open?

I'm not sure why that is risky? If they're illusions already, then it's not as though they have actions that count. Thread contribution would help yes but saying our active roles "kill" them is a weird way to put it

Protecting role could be an illusion themself. Sticking to protecting the same person too (at this stage) feels pointless. Regardless, I don't think much comes of fussing about this for now. If anything, I'd rather illusions shatter sooner than later..

 

[Asako]

Because we will have a lot of players for a lot of time. Imagine day 4 with still 25 players (normal+illusions) and only 10 claimed, 15 sus with fishy ambigious hints. Where normally we would have maybe 17 players and 10 claims, 7 still being fishy and sus. You see the difference here?

That's the day we force claim no talk, but I don't see the use now in day 2 is my point
Yea go for those that yet to hint but not those that already hinted i guess

 

[Evil3ye]

That's the day we force claim no talk, but I don't see the use now in day 2 is my point
Yea go for those that yet to hint but not those that already hinted i guess

What's your role?

 

[Asako]

What's your role?

It's uuuuu

 

[Evil3ye]

It's uuuuu

Not good enough. You've been in about 25 games, 15 roles that were uuuuu. Do better.

 

[GrySun]

I'm not sure why that is risky? If they're illusions already, then it's not as though they have actions that count. Thread contribution would help yes but saying our active roles "kill" them is a weird way to put it

Protecting role could be an illusion themself. Sticking to protecting the same person too (at this stage) feels pointless. Regardless, I don't think much comes of fussing about this for now. If anything, I'd rather illusions shatter sooner than later..

I can‘t believe how none of you see the insane pro-town value in illusions tanking mafia kills or mafia actions.

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Holt‘s probably mafia anyway bleh

 

[Farfalla]

What consitues as a narrowing hint exactly? Outside of a claim nothing gets you to less than 10+ roles.

Ok, back. What I meant with that comment was that she said she never had the role + that it's passive. You might not count the options in your hand but it's still a smaller pool than most people, as one of the first people to say something. So idk, I initially kept her in the "benefit of doubt" group.
*reading back the rest*

 

[Holt]

@Hardy @Holt @Lambu @Shad @Shobu_Yoruichi
Hint onegai

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@SonOfDaws @Vandred
Hint onegai~

Active role, has to do with pain.

 

[digitaldude]

I have priority 2, if mafia kills me night 2 I will still report results on day 3.

 

[Farfalla]

they will have to repeat targets at some point to confirm a kill

I HEAVILY disagree with that. Maybe that's where our opinion differences come from.

 

[digitaldude]

Unless they killed me night 1, not sure.

 

[Cinera]

What‘s your role?

Nope, I'm not telling.

 

[Holt]

I can‘t believe how none of you see the insane pro-town value in illusions tanking mafia kills or mafia actions.

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Holt‘s probably mafia anyway bleh

It would be insane value if anyone besides the mafia knew who illusions were. Unfortunately, the people most likely to know illusions are mafia, and like Farf mentioned, it is also unlikely they would invest time in double targeting to confirm kills. The other mafia could ofc, but again, that's pretty much a very luck-dependent scenario?

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The one good point for not popping illusions is the dead pad vote (which I forgot). Tanking wise- I feel that's being overly optimistic. Let's not even get into people potentially bs-ing results (implying they're already an illusion) as scum

 

[Evil3ye]

I have priority 2, if mafia kills me night 2 I will still report results on day 3.

Think a mafia escort would make more sense for you in this regard. When we were yellow mafia we were trying to predict other mafias moves as well, but always ended up disappointed as hell, so really there's only one way to make sure and take it in own hands. If all the teams put their Escort on you, all other investigators have free hand, which is awesome!

Great play there.