Chapter Tower of God Chapter 517 Spoilers & Discussion

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Tower Of God Chapter 517 - Alpha Scans

Bam, who was alone all his life has entered the tower to chase after his only friend, Rachel, but how will he survive without having any special strength or power?“What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever...

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[Cinera]

I forget the exact nature of them, but what if HJ is a son of one of the twins?

He is. That's exactly why he's so important to the Ha Family.

@Cinera only problem with your theory is that she could of easily accomplished that thru Yuri, Granny’s favorite!

Maschenny doesn't have custody over Yuri, but she does have custody over Jinsung.

I imagine JH has been disowned from the Ha family for sometime now. He may have some advocates but his affairs are his own and I don’t see any Ha assistance for him. Mas mentioned earlier that the Ha’s are frustrated about Yuri’s captivity not JH’s!

And yet, Maschenny herself said that she kidnapped Jinsung (in part) because he is important to the Ha Family:

 

[O_n_Sly]

He is. That's exactly why he's so important to the Ha Family.



Maschenny doesn't have custody over Yuri, but she does have custody over Jinsung.



And yet, Maschenny herself said that she kidnapped Jinsung (in part) because he is important to the Ha Family:

Yes most likely to face the consequences for the Branch he eliminated not to be granted favors lol

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 14, 2021, Original Post Date: Nov 14, 2021 ---

Also could you just post the link or refer to the chapter moving forward lol?

 

[Cinera]

She agreed to the princess games so that makes no sense lol. If Adori is to ever win she would have to defeat Mas. AGAIN STOP BEING A DELUSIONAL STAN!!!

And yet, Maschenny chose to make a bet with Yuri in order to acquire her 13 Month Weapon instead of simply killing her outright and taking it.

So yes, even though Adori can technically legally kill Maschenny, the reaction of her Family is still a concern.

Yes most likely to face the consequences for the Branch he eliminated not to be granted favors lol

They want to punish him personally badly enough that they'll wage war for it? Maschenny is most likely going to ask more of the Ha Family than what Jinsung took away from them.

 

[O_n_Sly]

And yet, Maschenny chose to make a bet with Yuri in order to acquire her 13 Month Weapon instead of simply killing her outright and taking it.

So yes, even though Adori can technically legally kill Maschenny, the reaction of her Family is still a concern.

Yuri had no choice but to accept Mas’ wager lol. She was riding the HT aiding Baam, if she refused she would of been forced off the HT and unable to go with Baam to the FoD! Stop being a Stan lol

 

[salo14419]

Maschenny told the Baam that beat White that he was too weak to side with her:

Except she wasn't aware that Baam defeated White nor how everything panned out. You're using your knowledge as reader (That Baam was stronger than White) to push certain narrative that is simply not there.
Second of all, it was clearly used as leverage to make Baam comply with her orders.
She herself called Baam a beast few chapters ago.
So which one is it: Baam is a beast or it's a weakling?

You keep using Jinsung's words about Maschenny being a baby dragon to push the narrative of Maschenny being the strongest character in the Nest, but completely ignore that Maschenny called Baam a beast.

Hipocrisy at its finest to say the least.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Except she wasn't aware that Baam defeated White nor how everything panned out. You're using your knowledge as reader to push certain narrative that is simply not there.
Second of all, it was clearly used as leverage to make Baam comply with her orders.
She herself called Baam a beast few chapters ago.
So which one is it: Baam is a beast or it's a weakling?

You keep using Jinsung's words about Maschenny being a baby dragon to push the narrative of Maschenny being the strongest character in the Nest, but completely ignore that Maschenny called Baam a beast.

Hipocrisy at its finest to say the least.

It’s a Maschenny Stan account, that’s why

 

[sazon]

I think it's very unlikely that Gustang is with Yuri, he's not stupid enough to make the Ha family move against him. Furthermore, Karaka was surprised to see Cheonhee, a Ha, still in the army, meaning that since Yuri's arrest, the family has been so antagonistic to the empire that it has gone public.

About HJ and Maschenny, she is playing with fire. It's one thing to tinker with Yasratcha's game that completely served your plans, quite another to tinker with 2 FH. I don't think Yurin or the twins would move directly because of HJ, given the dialogues we've had in the past, this idea of him being important to the Ha family comes from all his fame, after all he's one of Yurin's first grandchildren and he lived with the 13GW, I would be really surprised if the Ha family got directly into this war because of him specifically.

 

[lazybum]

Except she wasn't aware that Baam defeated White nor how everything panned out. You're using your knowledge as reader (That Baam was stronger than White) to push certain narrative that is simply not there.
Second of all, it was clearly used as leverage to make Baam comply with her orders.
She herself called Baam a beast few chapters ago.
So which one is it: Baam is a beast or it's a weakling?

You keep using Jinsung's words about Maschenny being a baby dragon to push the narrative of Maschenny being the strongest character in the Nest, but completely ignore that Maschenny called Baam a beast.

Hipocrisy at its finest to say the least.

Baam is both a beast and a weakling : his growth is absolutely absurd, yet he is still not strong enough for certain people (vastly stronger HR than White + FH + Zahard + Urek).

 

[sazon]

I forget the exact nature of them, but what if HJ is a son of one of the twins?

I think in this case there is no "if", Yurin's only children are the twins, the Ha family has no other DDs. So HJ is the son of one of them.

 

[salo14419]

Baam is both a beast and a weakling : his growth is absolutely absurd, yet he is still not strong enough for certain people (vastly stronger HR than White + FH + Zahard + Urek).

Then exactly what makes him push the narrative of Maschenny being a baby dragon equal to "strongest character in the nest". It could literally mean anything.

 

[Cinera]

Yuri had no choice but to accept Mas’ wager lol. She was riding the HT aiding Baam, if she refused she would of been forced off the HT and unable to go with Baam to the FoD! Stop being a Stan lol

Maschenny chose to make a wager with Yuri instead of just killing her. That means the fallout from killing Yuri is not something Maschenny would want to deal with.

Except she wasn't aware that Baam defeated White nor how everything panned out. You're using your knowledge as reader (That Baam was stronger than White) to push certain narrative that is simply not there.

1. There's no basis for Maschenny not knowing that Baam defeated White.
2. If Maschenny did not know that Baam bear White, then she was telling White that he was too weak to ally with her.

but completely ignore that Maschenny called Baam a beast.


Hipocrisy at its finest to say the least.

No. Maschenny can both think that Baam is a beast in absolute terms, and simultaneously think that he's not on her level.

There's no contradiction there.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

OK, so what's their gender again? It seems there was some debate about them being male twins or female twins. Hell, it could be one male one female depending on the TYPE of twins.

So, if a male twin his mom could be anyone in the tower. Dad would be a Ha.

If female then the inverse.

Not that it would make much difference, but the Ha seem to be pretty matriarchal.



I still wonder what Yurin thinks about him though.

 

[PitchBlack857]

who cares, you can't separate people from their skills

Baam would be a scrub if he wasn't an irregular


and?

I feel you , but dont forget Baam's parents were both Irregulars, he was gonna be talented regardless if he grew up normally.

 

[Cinera]

Then exactly what makes him push the narrative of Maschenny being a baby dragon equal to "strongest character in the nest". It could literally mean anything.

Jinsung is recognising Maschenny as an existence that is vastly more dangerous than he could have ever imagined:

OK, so what's their gender again? It seems there was some debate about them being male twins or female twins. Hell, it could be one male one female depending on the TYPE of twins.

So, if a male twin HE'S mom could be anyone in the tower. Dad would be a Ha.

If female then the inverse.

Not that it would make much difference, but the Ha seem to be pretty matriarchal.



I still wonder what Yurin thinks about him though.

Both twins are women.

 

[sazon]

OK, so what's their gender again? It seems there was some debate about them being male twins or female twins. Hell, it could be one male one female depending on the TYPE of twins.

So, if a male twin HE'S mom could be anyone in the tower. Dad would be a Ha.

If female then the inverse.

Not that it would make much difference, but the Ha seem to be pretty matriarchal.



I still wonder what Yurin thinks about him though.

I don't think we ever had a definite sex. SIU loves to use neutral pronouns so... I think the only difference is the eyes. The red-eyed Ha (Yuri, Novick and Cheonhee) descend from one while the black-eyed Ha (Ha Jinsung and Ha Satcha) from the other.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Jinsung is recognising Maschenny as an existence that is vastly more dangerous than he could have ever imagined:

Both twins are women.

Let's see if SIU sticks with that from his notes a billion years back.

Interesting that Jinsung is just as much an Ari by blood in any such case.

Yet his skill-set is pure Ha.

 

[Cinera]

Let's see if SIU sticks with that from his notes a billion years back.

Interesting that Jinsung is just as much an Ari by blood in any such case.

Yet his skill-set is pure Ha.

Eh, his mother is a Ha, and we don't know who his father is.

He was also raised as a Ha (and so learned their techniques).

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Eh, his mother is a Ha, and we don't know who his father is.

He was also raised as a Ha (and so learned their techniques).

I'm talking his genes.

He's equal Ha and Ari.

Sure, he grew up learning Ha art, but for instance his 'skin' is Ha genetically.


Ha blood is just more dominant it seems.

 

[salo14419]

There's no basis for Maschenny not knowing that Baam defeated White.

Almost every commentary that you pull has no basis other than headcannons and it doesn't stop you from saying so.

If Maschenny did not know that Baam bear White, then she was telling White that he was too weak to ally with her.

Except it doesn't? If she is not aware of how Baam vs White went, she has literally no basis to claim that Baam is too weak to side with her. Baam literally handled White's prime with ease while holding back enough to lure him into the stupid trap.
Even if we claim that White is weaker than Maschenny (which we both can agree with that, we disagree about how much).
First thing Ascension did as soon as he appeared on the battlefield was to compare himself with White to make the claim that he could beat the current White/Vincente easily, that shows that White Prime is certainly not "weak enough" to side with Maschenny.

No. Maschenny can both think that Baam is a beast in absolute terms, and simultaneously think that he's not on her level.

Then it's safe to say that Jinsung calling her a baby dragon doesn't equal to Jinsung being weaker than her, right? Given that he could consider himself as a grown up dragon. Afterall, he called her a child and did so even now.
So how exactly you came up with "Maschenny is the strongest character in the nest" narrative then?

 

[sazon]

I don't think you can compare the situations here.

Yuri was Zahard's favorite princess, for whatever reason. Yurin's favorite and precious to her grandfather (One of the twins) remember that the HA twins live at war for the leadership of the family, so a princess Zahard changes the entire political spectrum.

No matter how skillful and influential Maschenny is, she couldn't handle it directly, so she proposed the game.

Anak committed the greatest sin of princesses and was not one of the 10 families, his case was much easier than Yuri's.

As for Adori hunting Maschenny, does Eduan care enough about Mas to step out of one of his wives' skirts? Or will zahard stop crying into his pillow for Arlen, to stop it? Because we're talking about the strongest princess that only FH can stop her on. And unlike Yuri, we don't know Maschenny's relationship with Eduan and even less with Zahard.