Bam, who was alone all his life has entered the tower to chase after his only friend, Rachel, but how will he survive without having any special strength or power?“What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever...
There's no consensus on this, I've seen theories that he can't move directly, otherwise the admins would get involved, or that he's too arrogant to deal directly with Baam. There are even theories saying that he is recovering from injuries caused by Phantaminium.
I hope after this chapter, the pointless discussions about tower born individuals rivalling the battle power of FHs is laid to rest. Every single evidence so far establishes the fact that they are in a different league. Why or how that's possible we'll understand better about in the future. But as of this moment in the story, every single character who knows or understands the power of FHs has nothing but a deeply rooted fear and reverence for them. From Garam all the way to Yas. And we've seen why in the few actions taken by the FHs.
On the chapter. WW is really a pitiful fellow but immensely admirable. Loyal and magnanimous even to his death. I hope Yama beats the living daylights out of Yas then leaves him alive. He deserves the life WW gave him. That's the greatest punishment IMO, the understanding that even all his schemes were meaningless before WW's resolution.
But the guy chosed someone , a way of living and he sticked to it .
He met people he liked and he had fun with it . But in the end he only fill fulfillement by serving a master .
So sure he betrayed some people expectation , but to begin with WW was always a guy who want to serve someone and give everything to that guy , sure he loved Yas and NN but in the NN was only a mission for him and Yas was a friend but nothing compared to Rei .
I think Yas was the fool here , well in the end he acted true to his nature too .
But WW was never un free , he just chose to be subservient , Yas being a cat could never understand why he would want to live such a life .
The same way the lion couldn't understand someone why someone with so much potential would let himself get dominated .
But in the end they all act according to they nature .
It maybe teach something about the nature of liberty .
I actually liked WW , and i kinda knew he would follow his master .
There's nothing about Adori being one of the 10 families, it's just a theory that by the way is already bankrupt because it doesn't make sense for SIU to hide it.
As for the rest, it has already been said that if Luslec appears, an FH will move, Lich said that Wolhaiksong has the power to go against Zahard's army, it wouldn't make sense for him to talk about the entire organization if it was just Urek's power.
Enne proved so strong that when he went mad, Zahard had to act directly.
Molic fought Zahard directly.
Not to mention there's the main point: the ratings, they are full of inconsistencies.
In the end, it's much more likely that in fact no non-irregular can have a fight with an FH, but going by Gustang's lines is a mistake. Both he and Trau were blindly arrogant. Trau says there's nothing he can't control in the tower, and we have Yasratcha, Nen Nen, WW, and Yama.
In summary, as long as SIU doesn't put an end to it and give us the reason why these 5 people are ahead of some FH in the ranking, there will always be room for this discussion.
Before it was Gustang who was the arrogant dude , now Rei act like that and you guys still don't want to accept that no peak irregular consider a non irregular worthy .
We literally know that Gustang said that all FH were like that .
AA himself said that his dad was a piece of trash .
We literally have guy that exist for 10000 and has been at the peak of the world , in all departement and you are guy are saying they don't know what they are talking about ?
Gustang is literally the second smartest guy in the tower , guy like Enstein would probably be nothing in front of his pure intellect and yet he is just arrogant .
If you guy were to see that all FH see non irregular as trash would you accept that it is a common behavior among irregular oustide of the new one ?
I mean if Adori , Enne , Molic or Luslec were comparable to them , do you think Gustang wouldn't know ? With all this time ?
FH are so confident , that they even bet all they family , all they gained for 10000 for anyone to take , that is just some ridiculous of confidence .
These guy confidence can't simply come out of nowhere . =
Do you think a crazy Yuri would be the same as a crazy Enne? No, enne is strong and came in 7th place without the position of army commander, in case you want to claim influence.
What is the point of speaking Wolhaiksong and not Urek Mazino?
The thing is, about the strongest non-irregulars, whether here or there, we've already gotten hints of how powerful they are.
EVK already said that for the top 300 you need to beat someone in that position and even if it's a special case, there's no reason for an FH to have less influence than any of those mentioned. That is, there is something that makes them rank above an FH, whether it's strength or something else, still needs to be confirmed. It's not even 20 chapters since we had the full name of an FH, are you really raising the flag that we would already know? I could agree with you on any other work, but not on an SIU work that is horny about not revealing anything.
I don't know why you think this is so absurd when the possibility exists, however remote.
What do you mean without influence , she is literally the child of 2 FH , even if she is not the leader , her influence should be monstruous .
Don't forget that Enne 2 parents really liked and likely wouldn't have spared anything for her .
Not only that , she was the best princess at that time oustide of Adori .
Combining her influence being the ace , and literally just behind the FH of 2 big family and the second strongest person after Zahard would give her a monstrous amount of influence .
I want to add that she dominated most princess by herself , does feast should have gave a lot of position .
i knew that yas would betray wangwang. strange that there were people telling me that they didnt think so, everything in the story was literally spelling out the upcoming betrayal and yet some couldnt see it coming interesting.
to be honest that all i really got from this chapter. its not really a chapter i cared about and i cant wait for this flashback to be over at this point,
Before it was Gustang who was the arrogant dude , now Rei act like that and you guys still don't want to accept that no peak irregular consider a non irregular worthy .
We literally know that Gustang said that all FH were like that .
AA himself said that his dad was a piece of trash .
We literally have guy that exist for 10000 and has been at the peak of the world , in all departement and you are guy are saying they don't know what they are talking about ?
Gustang is literally the second smartest guy in the tower , guy like Enstein would probably be nothing in front of his pure intellect and yet he is just arrogant .
If you guy were to see that all FH see non irregular as trash would you accept that it is a common behavior among irregular oustide of the new one ?
I mean if Adori , Enne , Molic or Luslec were comparable to them , do you think Gustang wouldn't know ? With all this time ?
FH are so confident , that they even bet all they family , all they gained for 10000 for anyone to take , that is just some ridiculous of confidence .
These guy confidence can't simply come out of nowhere
I never refuted the fact that FH are arrogant, I just said that they can't be trusted when they are blinded by their arrogance.
Traumerai says he can control everything in the tower, seconds later we have several examples that he can't.
You guys don't seem to get my point, >>>>I<<<< believe FH are more powerful, but basing it on Gustang's blind speech doesn't make sense from my perspective, why? Simple, they are insects because they could never kill them, insects because they are NPC in their view and not lives, in short, he is extremely elitist, but hypocritical, after all he built a family of insects and, apparently, waged war on zahard because of one of these insects (Enne).
What do you mean without influence , she is literally the child of 2 FH , even if she is not the leader , her influence should be monstruous .
Don't forget that Enne 2 parents really liked and likely wouldn't have spared anything for her .
Not only that , she was the best princess at that time oustide of Adori .
Combining her influence being the ace , and literally just behind the FH of 2 big family and the second strongest person after Zahard would give her a monstrous amount of influence .
I want to add that she dominated most princess by herself , does feast should have gave a lot of position .
Virtually all of Enne's feats involve her strength. If the influence of being the daughter of 2 FH guaranteed a top 10, the Ha twins should be there too. And as I said, everything Enne has achieved as a princess involves her strength.
So tell me, with all this, how not to consider this possibility?
The FH are inactive, right, this may even be an argument for Molic and Adori who are at the top of the Zahard empire, but what about the rest? Luslec looks as inactive as Hana or Yurin, after all he can't move, otherwise an FH enters the picture. And Baek Ryun? Just because Urek is your friend? And we return to Enne, whose trajectory is very similar to that of Urek (who entered the top 5 because of his strength), only obviously on a smaller scale. Enne in less than 500 years of existence has already reached the top 7, it was definitely not just because he had support from his parents FH.
Another interesting point, why are Joochun and Flux not in the top 20? Both are lords too, but interestingly, only Molic is referenced for his strength. OK then
Anyway, I don't see a problem in thinking that the FH are absolute, maybe it's even the most probable and coherent, but to think that it's an absolute truth, when the author himself leaves room for us to think differently, it's at least a narrow thought.
That's what happens when you're an immortal with godly powers. Over the time everything around you seems meaningless and worthless.
Well, except that thick ass chick whom the jacket belongs to
It's muddier than ever actually. And, I just can't agree the discussion is pointless. It's about end-game, and this chapter dropped relevant hints.
- this chapter pointedly makes it clear that the ancient in fact could not even begin to stretch its legs against Rei. Odd to bring that up if it's not relevant no matter who would be the host. This is exactly what we are talking about when we never fully see one powered-up... they are always limited. Every time.
- this comes on a chapter where we just learned that the de facto best person in the whole fucking tower for controlling things... can't control some beast. Did he kill or seal it, we don't know. But the point is he isn't all-powerful after all, and there are clear limits to his abilities. Behind his immortality contract, he is possibly at risk from a being at least forcing him to work for it, if not even injure or kill him.
- why didn't he control the Acrinak? Why even have a convergence of two large armies - LPB and Zahard's - to take it down (which they never actually did by the way) if Rei could just waltz up to it and control it? He's CLEARLY active in his endeavors. Further, he's standing right before it now - why didn't he make the Acrinak do his bidding? Then he could have told NenNen "Stop punching yourself! Stop punching yourself!" while Acrinak danced in the palm of his hand and hit NN. Instead, he attacked the HOST and not the ancient. He certainly showed no ability to control it, as all-powerful as he should be. That's two failures in a row (beings too strong for him to control) back-to-back - say nothing of WW who he can't control either.
Also, I can't believe I have to keep saying this but: doing damage or putting up a good fight doesn't mean KILLING a FH. For all we know, the Acrinak could in fact blow past any summons Rei has and make Rei really work for a win. Not that Rei would have any threat of dying, but that's another issue entirely.
For now. Ancients are sealed but coming out of the woodwork. Urek is preoccupied (granted an irregular). Baam is a baby. Gongbang seems too busy with The Science/Fauci. Headon is up to something. Rumbles of possible admin being upset. The Thorn is coming together. Gustang has some tech that Zahard doesn't want him to have (bracelet, maybe more). FUG also has a being that can use shinwonryu (Akryung) and who knows what else. The spells that make them immortal are intact, but who knows if they can be undone. Wangnan has a sword that will undoubtedly be pretty OP. Etc.
Why or how that's possible we'll understand better about in the future. But as of this moment in the story, every single character who knows or understands the power of FHs has nothing but a deeply rooted fear and reverence for them. From Garam all the way to Yas. And we've seen why in the few actions taken by the FHs.
No one disputes that FH's have overwhelming power - and an immortality contract.
We just don't know the exact limits or limitations, and if there's anything in the tower than can potentially pose a threat. For instance, if GongBong really can access outside of the tower tech, could they not access a weapon that can kill a god too? After all, that's what the Thorn is. Spells are pretty OP, and rare, and off limits even (probably for a reason as they pose a threat). But, what if a strong spell-caster could undo a spell associated with 100F contract? Arlen was able to beat her spell seemingly, oops that wasn't supposed to be possible. How can a being that's not an irregular use shinwonryu (both rice pot guardian and Akryung, maybe more) - that's supposed to be impossible. What does Wangnan have in his possession; can it pose a threat to an irregular or destroy their contract (it seems like it's pretty OP, and possibly has ties to Zahard's monster)? Can ancients zord together to be stronger than a FH (rhetorical - we don't know, but they may be working towards that)? I said stronger, not lethal - there are things worse than death when death is impossible. Can an admin body or admin baby be used against the FHs? After all, the contracts come from admin, so maybe admin flesh can render their immortality inert. soooo many etcs.
On the chapter. WW is really a pitiful fellow but immensely admirable. Loyal and magnanimous even to his death. I hope Yama beats the living daylights out of Yas then leaves him alive. He deserves the life WW gave him. That's the greatest punishment IMO, the understanding that even all his schemes were meaningless before WW's resolution.
Phantaminumophoebia. The logic behind is kind of like Zahard as NenNen and Enryu as Khun Eduan as Phantaminum as Phantaminum. The disparity is so clear in this chapter shutting down an argument that High Rankers can par FH.
Well he partly respected his data's wishes. He tried to kill Bam atleast on the Hidden floor but he doesn't seem that angry to me even when they were literally erasing the data world and the data of him let them get away. Maybe he also just wants to toy around with fate for as long by choosing the long way round.
Not downplaying Bam's potential or power in the future because he is powerful but unfortunately, right now, he and Rachel are chess pieces as well. Gustang, Headon, FUG and the other higher ups are using them one way or another.
Maybe image too. I mean, idk what would people think if they knew about him personally killing a Regular (even if Bam is an Irregular, he hasn't reached the top yet and like Maschenny said, they aren't strong enough to be able to have/pick a side iirc in that chapter where she called over for them to go to the waterfall/place. forgot the exact wording tho). Bam isn't even a Slayer too.
---People don't know about Zahard's actual intent with the princess system, the princes of red light (officially there isn't an acknowledged Jahad prince. both Rachel and Hwaryun says they were a disgrace of both Jahad and the GFs) so he hides stuff from the public in favor of keeping his image just like the other FH's.
---People do not know JVG as a child of Arlene and V because again, those two were more or less erased from history. Not many people know he's an Irregular from what I recall as Urek only knew after FoD. Bam/JVG would most likely be known atleast for beating a Ranker as a C Rank compared to Adori who beat one as an A Rank, whatever connections/stuff with FUG and/or starting a war to save his master who is more or less a convicted criminal (i forgot which chapter this was but it was with Jinsung asking why they didn't kill him right then and there)
1) Maybe there is still a tiny part of Zahard who wants to see what Bam will become, or who wants a real challenge after Thousands of years of dominance with abject boredom.
I don't think he fears the admins so muchm I think they are kinda stuck with each other.
Phantaminumophoebia. The logic behind is kind of like Zahard as NenNen and Enryu as Khun Eduan as Phantaminum as Phantaminum. The disparity is so clear in this chapter shutting down an argument that High Rankers can par FH.
2) There is also a mild fear of Phanta and Enryuu possible as mentioned above. However this did not stop Zahard from trying to kill Bam on The Hidden Floor. Bam barely got away because 3) data Zahard weakened his resolve to kill him a bit, with some Talk-no-Jutsu.
I kind of think it's a mixture of the 3 possibilities above.
I hope people don’t think every FH should be like that.. that effect on the weak could be a contract with an administrator.. im talking about traumerei
Arie hon has a contract that his swordsmanship can’t be beaten for another style.
Yeon Hannah can’t fall in love with trifles
eurasia-phonsecal kids can use shinsu and fly before starting climbing
khuns can backstabbing even when they are sleeping etc
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