Chapter Tower of God Chapter 530 Spoilers & Discussion

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@Demonspeed @Lady pompom please pin this
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After seeing Kaiser and Alphine, I expected more from LPB rankers, they all seem to be completely dependent on their Shinheuh.



It's not a problem for him to face HJ in melee, the problem is that he thinks he can win that way.
I don't understand the remark, it's the principle of an anima to be "dependent" on its shinneuh, same for the Light Bearer who are dependent on their light house

Well the Ha are not Arie, their martial arts are not a cheating code. Beating a Ha at CQC is not impossible just complicated.
If he knows enough about his abilities why wouldn't Pudidy try?
 

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Isn't that basically what he's supposed to be doing? Blocking that choke point and stalling for time. If he goes out to engage one of those two, then he risks the other one slipping past him. And exerting enough power to kill them (presuming he even can) would draw Traum's attention.
I can understand your logic, but killing them would be more practical. And there's nothing to stop Trau not having already noticed or he may not even notice, we don't know how far from the lyborick ship this is happening.
 

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Don't have any images since all my info is secondhand and it's too early for a summary from me. All i can tell for now is that Holan summons some fossil squid-like shinhueh and attacks Jinsung but can't do much, Owl summons a crapload of owls and apparently they explode (?). Puddidy says that Holan can't handle Jinsung alone since the latter can easily fight a CC level enemy on his own. There's some info and praise for Jinsung as "Slaughterer of the Ha Family".

In Baam's POV we learn that only 10 FHs and now Baam can hear the voice and it wonders if Baam is the one who can push Traum into the abyss.
The Voice, or rather whatever is making the voice, seems to really have it in for Trei. So Maybe it's still too early for Bam to killl him, but as for the 10 FHs, I would love to see him being able to put some damage/hurt on them starting with the weaker ones even now, likely Trei himself or the Guy in Trei's ship who wants to eat Yu Han Sun.

I imagine Bam won't go after any of them without provocation, and neither would most come after him, but Trei seems the type who would come at Bam, (1) He is extremely arrogant (2) Bam is after all infiltrating his domain right now. In the end, Bam's goal was primarily to free Jinsung and this has already happened.

The Secondary and tertiary effects (if not a reason) of Bam being/remaining there are now the powerup from the voice, and becoming a fully fledged FUG slayer, FUG Elder, or at least someone worthy of their highest recognition.
 

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The black rectangle says "dangerous thing" and the bubble says "who can drop Traumerei into the abyss!"
That sounds hype.
 

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That fight don't look that impressive and i don't understanw how they can fight Jinsung on close combat .
my guess is that this is simply owl being higher up the pecking order than jinsung. Sure, the ha excel in CQC but what if you fight someone who has much stronger shinsoo just in general? I like the fight but based on the raw I don't think things are looking up for jinsung. Maybe the space they are fighting at presents some handicap for owl's stronger shineuh? Its weird that we see a bunch of tiny owls but not the big one yet.
 

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I can understand your logic, but killing them would be more practical. And there's nothing to stop Trau not having already noticed or he may not even notice, we don't know how far from the lyborick ship this is happening.
I think Jinsung isn't strong enough to comfortably kill Pudidy without risking overextending himself, so on the cautious side he is devoting to defense.
 

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I don't understand the remark, it's the principle of an anima to be "dependent" on its shinneuh, same for the Light Bearer who are dependent on their light house

Well the Ha are not Arie, their martial arts are not a cheating code. Beating a Ha at CQC is not impossible just complicated.
If he knows enough about his abilities why wouldn't Pudidy try?
I don't know where this principle is. Kaiser has an extremely powerful shinheuh and is still a great fisheman. Shilial and Lilial too, it doesn't even make sense. Being able to make a duo with your creature is much more versatile than giving a Pokémon.

Yes indeed, the Ha are not Arie, but do you think it's logical to face a top 100 of this family in melee? It's the same thing as facing an Ari with needles, a Koon with spears and an LPB with who anima skills, the advantage is much greater.
 

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Wow what a great way to end a flashback.
Ah so we will get the continuation of that flashback later huh? Or SIU just evading to explain how the doom and kids get away
I'm hoping that we get a continuation of the flashback, or at least an explanation of what happened afterwards later on. Though another long Yasratcha flashback may be a bit too much.
 

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my guess is that this is simply owl being higher up the pecking order than jinsung. Sure, the ha excel in CQC but what if you fight someone who has much stronger shinsoo just in general? I like the fight but based on the raw I don't think things are looking up for jinsung. Maybe the space they are fighting at presents some handicap for owl's stronger shineuh? Its weird that we see a bunch of tiny owls but not the big one yet.
Before engaging Jinsung, Puddidy says that he didn't expect him to be free and he would've brought his "eagle owl" if he knew about it. He wonders what Princess Maschenny is doing.
 

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I think Jinsung isn't strong enough to comfortably kill Pudidy without risking overextending himself, so on the cautious side he is devoting to defense.
Yes I agree, but that doesn't hold for Holan, HJ managed to paralyze pudidy at that moment and just left it at that. If in that small space he had hit harder and gone after Hellan, his life would have been easier.
 

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Yes I agree, but that doesn't hold for Holan, HJ managed to paralyze pudidy at that moment and just left it at that. If in that small space he had hit harder and gone after Hellan, his life would have been easier.
Holan is way back, if he had gone after Holan then Puddidy could easily go past him. The whole point of Jinsung defending in this tunnel is to not let anyone pass by.
 

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But on the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if all HRs in the Arie family are top 100, as the family is extremely small and extremely rare.
This makes no sense at all.
The Arie Family has at least 11 Floor s permanently under their control and they contest for control of Floors 80 - 90 with the Khun Family. So this suggests up to 20 Floor Ruler level characters.

Beyond that, the Arie has at least 2 Branches. And there seem to be "sects" within the Family.

Beyond that, if the Arie Family has X High Rankers, it makes no sense for them to all be Top 100. People don't magically become Top 100 when they become a High Ranker. Excluding very exceptional circumstances, they have to climb their way up the ladder.

Yuri is the greatest talent of the Ha Family, but she's only a Top 500 High Ranker. The Arie would have several High Rankers that are still growing, have not yet fully realised their potential, or whose potential simply caps below the Top 100.
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I can understand your logic, but killing them would be more practical. And there's nothing to stop Trau not having already noticed or he may not even notice, we don't know how far from the lyborick ship this is happening.
Is there anywhere in TOG that a character uses 100% of their power on the get go to instagib anybody?

They usually goes at trading blow (can be dragged on to multiple phase) before ending it

Guess it was the nature of a fighting manga/manhwa/manhua. The only char that goes full from the get go is kallavan when he fights HJS
 

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I don't know where this principle is. Kaiser has an extremely powerful shinheuh and is still a great fisheman. Shilial and Lilial too, it doesn't even make sense. Being able to make a duo with your creature is much more versatile than giving a Pokémon.
-Elaine fights in tandem with her "shinneuh".
-Alphine lets her fox hax do all the work
-Ren lets his Shinneuh do the work for him
-Dokoko lets his bird do the work unless he is attacked directly.
-Candidi lets her urchins do the work for her and only started acting on her own when they were too busy being dead.
-Pudidy fights in tandem
-Traumerai, Holan and Yorari don't have enough screen time to be properly judged.

From what we've seen on the LPB anima it seems like a norm that they stay behind and their shinneuh fights for them, that they fight with their shinneuh is more the exception than the rule. Shillial and Lillial didn't use a Shinneuh, Shillial threatened Hatz with something weird and Lillial didn't use anything at all.
Yes indeed, the Ha are not Arie, but do you think it's logical to face a top 100 of this family in melee? It's the same thing as facing an Ari with needles, a Koon with spears and an LPB with who anima skills, the advantage is much greater.
Yes, if he's strong enough and aware of his abilities and limitations I don't see the problem with going up against a High Level Ha on his home turf after all there's no rule that says you can't be better than them it's just not very likely
 

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This makes no sense at all.
The Arie Family has at least 11 Floor s permanently under their control and they contest for control of Floors 80 - 90 with the Khun Family. So this suggests up to 20 Floor Ruler level characters.

Beyond that, the Arie has at least 2 Branches. And there seem to be "sects" within the Family.

Beyond that, if the Arie Family has X High Rankers, it makes no sense for them to all be Top 100. People don't magically become Top 100 when they become a High Ranker. Excluding very exceptional circumstances, they have to climb their way up the ladder.

Yuri is the greatest talent of the Ha Family, but she's only a Top 500 High Ranker. The Arie would have several High Rankers that are still growing, have not yet fully realised their potential, or whose potential simply caps below the Top 100.
Show me where it says a ranker can only rule one floor.

The Arie are extremely elitist with their lineage and are very difficult to find in the tower. So yes, I wouldn't be surprised that there are only about 50 rankers who are actually Arie, that's not to say there aren't other people in the family and even non-rankers working.

BTW what does Yuri's talent have to do with what I'm talking about?
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Elaine fights in tandem with her "shinneuh".
-Alphine lets her fox hax do all the work
-Ren lets his Shinneuh do the work for him
-Dokoko lets his bird do the work unless he is attacked directly.
-Candidi lets her urchins do the work for her and only started acting on her own when they were too busy being dead.
-Pudidy fights in tandem
-Traumerai, Holan and Yorari don't have enough screen time to be properly judged.

From what we've seen on the LPB anima it seems like a norm that they stay behind and their shinneuh fights for them, that they fight with their shinneuh is more the exception than the rule. Shillial and Lillial didn't use a Shinneuh, Shillial threatened Hatz with something weird and Lillial didn't use anything at all.
But I'm not saying the opposite, I'm saying that I hoped they wouldn't just depend on their shinheuh and fight in a Duo.

And there's still nothing that says an anima should just use their shinheuh.
 

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ok. I thought half the chapter would be the rest of the flashback.
Seems like HJ is just stalling for time while checking his oponents habilities.
Looks exagerating full chapter of HJ defending and stalling for time without the translation... Maybe makes more sense with trans. lets see
 
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