Chapter Tower of God Chapter 531 Spoilers & Discussion

[EternalWinter]

Shin Translation

Edit @Lady pompom @Demonspeed pin please

 

[NekoSagan]

Another cliff hanger. SIU manages to end almost every chapter in cliffhanger these days. I had doubts when SIU used the name Leviathan but in this chapter it was revealed to be fed on hatred. It is similar to the myths of Leviathan we have in different cultures. It is said to be embodiment of evil and demon of envy. No wonder Bam wants to devour this creature. In the myths/culture, Leviathan is killed by the god Baal Hadad who is the lord of the sky who governs the rain and thus the germination of plants with the power to determine fertility. He is the protector of life and growth to the agricultural people of the region. I don't think Leviathan will be Baam's anima or White managing to take any of it's powers.

Baam is our god. He will devour those arrogant beings and brings peace to the Tower.

 

[Turtle hunter]

According to her portrayal she is:

Someone above the Corps Commanders:

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"Like the Pinnacle of the Tower":

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One of the strongest 13 Month Princesses:

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Someone whose strength Zahard himself acknowledged:

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Immensely stronger than elite Branch Leaders like Asensio:

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Comparable to the Zahard Army and the Great Families:

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Far bigger than Jinsung could have ever imagined:

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Slayers don't have Top 50 portrayal.

All of FUG has been depicted as being inferior to the Army of Zahard.



The Baam that defeated White is still much weaker than Maschenny.

And Baam did not beat White at nearly no difficulty. It was a very solid medium difficulty fight until Baam tried to absorb White's power.



She said it herself that Baam is too weak to side with her and was only fit to become a pawn.



Yes. You can cope all you want, but it doesn't change it.



Because Maschenny is much stronger than the likes of White.

Again you can't show any battle feat , and you have to quote some people ....

So you have no clear evidence , and can only show vague statement and quote .

White was in the backfoot the whole fight and was nullifying every White attack with one hand .

White himself said Baam was MUCH stronger , why do refuse to take that quote into account .

EVeryone with enough sense , can see Baam was dominating White easily .

You see like i said you have to bring vague statement , it was never said she was above CC commander , you have clear statelent saying it .

But you will rationalize , and say because she was put after it mean she is better , and if she was put before , you would said , because she is put before it means she is stronger .

Being top 100 make you among the strongest 13 months , how does it mean she is clearly stornger than Baam ?

We actually Maschenny was trash , Zahard wasn't even using 1 percent of his power . You know it and i know it .

I mean what does it even mean being a true opponent , even opponent is written with coma .

Do data ascencio is qualified to judge a peak Maschenny that he never ever seen ? Do you realize how retarded taking ascencio word is ?

So you think she is comparable to the whole zahard army and any GF ? You are delusionnal and you have no statement that prove it .

Again a vague statement , does Jinsung speak about her strength ? Her scheming ability ? Her influence ? Given what she did likely her scheming .

Being inferior to Zahard army doesn't mean you are below top 50 , zahard army is the strongest army by far .

Slayers has been showed up has a organisation that could deal lot of trouble to zahard army at least in portrayal , but we saw that in fact they can't .

Yama has been build up has a legendary slayer that could have a decent rank in top 100 , His fight with Yas showed he wasn't at all .

Only real fight show you real strength .

You are wrong , Baam had no problem against White before he tried to absord him .

So what if she said that she Baam is too weak , does it make it cannon ? Who is she to determine Baam strenght , does she even know Baam strengh ?

 

[Cinera]

Why did the LPB higher-ups tell her about the powerful item in the Vault? What's the urgency to tell her about that? The top-secret information of their family to the outsider likes her.

Repellista? The question is, how could she find it when the Vault which contained the powerful thing/item itself, was heavily guarded by the LPB family under normal circumstances. Anyway She lacked
the capability to do that.

He's likely wasn't affiliated with her. The boss himself was only seen when he met Dowon and Cha, and neither of them affiliated with the empire.

Gustang ? so the point that she works for herself is void then. As you pointed out, he is her benefactor, the one who told her about the beast.

In general, the ancient books told her about the war. The beast wasn't specifically about Leviathan unless the information about the beast at the Nest was available to the empire, which is doubtful due to its importance to the LPB family.

Mas only got the general information about how powerful/important the thing was.

Uhm this does not work.

I was listing potential explanations for how Maschenny could know of Leviathan. If SIU wants her to know of Leviathan he could use one of those explanations or invent something else.

Debunking those explanations is irrelevant as I'm not claiming them as fact.


Aguero seemed very confident that Maschenny knew of Leviathan:

And Aguero's speculation is frankly far more reliable than yours. Insisting that Maschenny cannot possibly know of Leviathan is just irrelevant when we have a very reliable source saying that she probably knows about it.

 

[HakunaMatata]

Now that we know what was sealed, I'm eager to know what Zahard stored in the suspendium.
Levianthan can't be the only thing Mas wants right ?

Let Baam get Leviathan and the others (regulars, FUG, Gustang ?) feast on Zahard's treasure.

 

[PlotArmouredTitan]

Again you can't show any battle feat , and you have to quote some people ....

So you have no clear evidence , and can only show vague statement and quote .

You know whats worse than quoting random people, quoting Maschenny who's words are very unreliable.

 

[Cinera]

Now that we know what was sealed, I'm eager to know what Zahard stored in the suspendium.
Levianthan can't be the only thing Mas wants right ?

Let Baam get Leviathan and the others (regulars, FUG, Gustang ?) feast on Zahard's treasure.

AA said that the thing Maschenny wants is Leviathan:

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Let Baam get Leviathan and the others (regulars, FUG, Gustang ?) feast on Zahard's treasure.

If there is something else that's sealed in the Frozen Waterfall, it would most likely go to the guard or Yool.

 

[Turtle hunter]

You know whats worse than quoting random people, quoting Maschenny who's words are very unreliable.

Quoting data ascencio who never saw peak Maschenny .

Quoting the windbird who never saw Maschenny fight .

Quoting Jinsung who likely never saw Maschenny fight .

The worse part is that those statement are super vague .

What does it mean being the peak of the tower @Cinera ?Does it include can top 300 ? top 100 ? or top 50 ? top 20 or top 3 ?

The quote jahad when speaking off Maschenny as a opponent , has some coma and is write like that " opponent " .

I mean if Hagipherione came out and outright said Maschenny was her equal , like that , clearly and without any ambiguity , i would have no problem with it .

Instead he bring quote of people who likely never saw Maschenny fight and they never even speak of her battle strength .

 

[PlotArmouredTitan]

Quoting Jinsung who likely never saw Maschenny fight

Even if they never fought seriously, I can bet that JH wouldn't look so calm if he was facing Hagipherione.

Portrayals by themselves are very subjective, but facts cannot be denied

 

[Fun]

Uhm this does not work.

I was listing potential explanations for how Maschenny could know of Leviathan. If SIU wants her to know of Leviathan he could use one of those explanations or invent something else.

Debunking those explanations is irrelevant as I'm not claiming them as fact.


Aguero seemed very confident that Maschenny knew of Leviathan:

And Aguero's speculation is frankly far more reliable than yours. Insisting that Maschenny cannot possibly know of Leviathan is just irrelevant when we have a very reliable source saying that she probably knows about it.

You're the one insisting that she knew when the proof tells us otherwise. She knew that thing was powerful to a certain extent.

When Aguero said some certitude, I think he refers to her certainly knowing the thing at the Vault was powerful/important, but to know that thing is Leviathan was a reach. (Again, I already mentioned the reason for that)

Certitude and certainty are essentially the same in this context.

 

[salo14419]

You know shit gets silly when you have to quote the biggest simp of Maschenny, over Cinera as well.
Ascensio. Better yet Data Ascensio which has limited knowledge about the current status of things.
But the Zahard quote is hands down the best because we know fully about that Zahard wasn't even using 10% of his true power to completely obliterate Maschenny.
But always remember:

Gotta love the:
Maschenny? She lies, she's a compulsive liar. She called Baam a beast? Probably a lie. Admitted she barely scratched Jinsung even after going for real? Still a lie.

What? About calling Baam group (especially Baam even if she was answering Raak outburst) weak? That's 100% the truth. Mas never lies and she has the perfect judgment, she never makes any mistake.
She meant that because she is fully aware of how strong Baam is even if we, the readers, having the full picture don't know the scope of his powers yet (even more now that he got boosted with White's power)
She probably saw White vs Baam even when the one in charge of the game couldn't and she had a special item that allows her to measure the power level of Irregulars to make such claims.

Again, contradictory remarks changing every now and then to fit the narrative that is mostly headcannon is silly.

Whatever Maschenny says follows this logic according to Cinera:
Its a lie if it doesn't benefit my narrative of Maschenny being the very best at everything so following this logic is to say the least boring because it's predictable:
Ascensio said Maschenny has the biggest pp of the princess.
That's 100% fact. Even tho we know how unreliable is Ascensio words about his sister due to his own screwed obsession over her
Ascensio says that not even Maschenny knows for sure what's inside?
False, Maschenny was told by Zahard/insert any random absurd theory of why she knows because Maschenny is the very best.

 

[HakunaMatata]

AA said that the thing Maschenny wants is Leviathan:

Loool ok so since she won't get shit, which one in Baam's entourage is gonna be held hostage so that she can use him even more ?

If there is something else that's sealed in the Frozen Waterfall, it would most likely go to the guard or Yool.

Possibly, as a matter of fact he disappeared right after they entered the suspendium.
I don't know if SIU forgot about him but it's weird that nobody noticed.

But : Baam, Yama, Kallavan, Khun, and Rak got PU.
My man Karaka deserves something too. Something related to Zahard would be interesting.

 

[Turtle hunter]

You know shit gets silly when you have to quote the biggest simp of Maschenny, over Cinera as well.
Ascensio. Better yet Data Ascensio which has limited knowledge about the current status of things.
But the Zahard quote is hands down the best because we know fully about that Zahard wasn't even using 10% of his true power to completely obliterate Maschenny.
But always remember:


Whatever Maschenny says follows this logic according to Cinera:
Its a lie if it doesn't benefit my narrative of Maschenny being the very best at everything so following this logic is to say the least boring because it's predictable:
Ascensio said Maschenny has the biggest pp of the princess.
That's 100% fact. Even tho we know how unreliable is Ascensio words about his sister due to his own screwed obsession over her
Ascensio says that not even Maschenny knows for sure what's inside?
False, Maschenny was told by Zahard/insert any random absurd theory of why she knows because Maschenny is the very best.

10 percent ? I believe he didn't even using 1 percent of his power . We know zahard was closing to HR level while she wasn't even close to being the peak as a regular .

I agree that him quoting Zahard is funny given Zahard didn't even sweat and at best saw her as a ant .

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I mean look at his other post that he created , and it is clear what is implying .

Rei and Baam are is in this arc and Rei is going to die > It was thanks to MAschenny scheming .

He even think that Maschenny is a player and a big deal .

When she is clearly not , there is no priness that is a big deal .

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He even think Maschenny is more important to the whole story than Rei , one of the 11 irregular who build this tower .

 

[UnnamedBoy]

Bam has become so powerful that even in a fight, Maschenny will have lots and lots of trouble and that is certain

We're talking about someone who dominated a legendary high ranker who is at the level of a Squadron Commander without difficulty, and now this monster has become stronger after taking some of White's power.

You may think that Maschenny is still stronger than Bam, there is no problem but your idolatry is so high that you think she is much much stronger than someone like her

You overestimate Maschenny so much, you show her to us as if she is a person on the same level as the ten heads of families or Zahard, when she is just a pawn for these monsters of destiny. You'll be very, very disappointed when SIU shows us everything of Maschenny's level, I warn you.

 

[Turtle hunter]

Bam has become so powerful that even in a fight, Maschenny will have lots and lots of trouble and that is certain

We're talking about someone who dominated a legendary high ranker who is at the level of a Squadron Commander without difficulty, and now this monster has become stronger after taking some of White's power.

You may think that Maschenny is still stronger than Bam, there is no problem but your idolatry is so high that you think she is much much stronger than someone like her

You overestimate Maschenny so much, you show her to us as if she is a person on the same level as the ten heads of families or Zahard, when she is just a pawn for these monsters of destiny. You'll be very, very disappointed when SIU shows us everything of Maschenny's level, I warn you.

In the end she will be like WW and Yas , helpless pieces in the hand of master of destiny - irregulars .

 

[Fun]

• The case of Mas being serious at the specific moment.

She emphasized that she tried in her attack against him, followed by her comment about his rigid body. She talked about how she finally could break through that thick skin or something like that.

Her comment about his toughness after that attack indicates that she put effort into that specific attack.

The indicator of "actually tried" was her emphasized comment and a follow-up comment about his thick skin. It means she confirmed, "the act of putting an effort" (at that specific moment) itself.

It's simply consistent with the lore. Otherwise, she wouldn't comment about his rigid body (which indicates an effort).

The question is, What is the indication that she lied at the specific moment when she herself acknowledged that she tried?

• It's still counted as a fight

She was involved in that fight with an objective in her mind, and the two are not mutually exclusive.

Massive performance, act of toying and etc, the point still stands tho. The event that happened was still counted as a fight ( exchanging blows with each other)

Siu himself said that Mas and Jinsung were fighting fiercely. See, he was using the "fighting" term in this context.

• The case of Mas would have killed him but didn't follow up the act

In this context, she would have killed him, but she was torturing him Instead, it means she didn't act on killing itself and found another alternative which was torturing.

On the other hand, she tried in her attack against him, and (the act itself) was confirmed by her comment about the thick skin, indicating that she put any effort into that specific attack.

 

[Kallavan]

You overestimate Maschenny so much, you show her to us as if she is a person on the same level as the ten heads of families or Zahard, when she is just a pawn for these monsters of destiny. You'll be very, very disappointed when SIU shows us everything of Maschenny's level, I warn you.

Good thing is, the discussion will finally evolve to another direction when she falls, I'm tired of Maschenny discussion each week even when she didn't even appear in the current chapter ...

 

[PlotArmouredTitan]

She emphasized that she tried in her attack against him, followed by her comment about his rigid body. She talked about how she finally could break through that thick skin or something like that.

Her comment about his toughness after that attack indicates that she put effort into that specific attack

Just imagine what would she say if it was Kallavan. JH was getting sore knuckles from punching him.

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it's hard to imagine her above CC with what we have actually seen her do.

 

[sazon]

As long as Vincente is allied with Baam, Zahad's problems are twice as dire

allow me to explain

Baam kills Traumarei? -1 for Zahad, White consumes Rei's soul, +1 for Baam

Net gain of 2 FH power for FUG

This will spiral very very quickly for Zahad unless he kills these two quickly. This is why I'm confident White will be the one to kill Hon, he will have consumed an irregular who Baam finished off by then.

Do you really think White could have the soul of an irregular?

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

So, um, the chapter?

 

[O_n_Sly]

• He's missing his main owl.
• He's fighting together with Haland to finish things as fast as possible.
• Haland is not someone that can be trusted to deal with the situation on the other side of the Wall by himself.

So Owl (alone) is not CC level without his pet Lol! Him fighting together with Holan has accomplished nothing so far!