Chapter Tower of God Chapter 537 Spoilers & Discussion

[EternalWinter]

@Demonspeed @Lady pompom @kkck

The translated chapter is out!


From Shiin ^_^

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Im waiting for it too cause I did a quick skim with the last pages and can't find any except snippets from here and someone's mobile translation in Twitter. Though it should be sometime soon within the week (I don't know much what happened to the usual translator but I hope they're doing fine)

@axolotl sorry for the delay

 

[Jyu viole grace]

Translated chapter[by alpha scans]----

Tower of God Chapter 537 - Alpha Scans

Bam, who was alone all his life has entered the tower to chase after his only friend, Rachel, but how will he survive without having any special strength or power?“What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever...

alpha-scans.org

@Demonspeed @Lady pompom please pin

 

[lazybum]

Which example(s) of shinsoo infusions are you referring to?

Khun putting ice shinsu into a spear comes to mind

 

[Big-Bird]

Which example(s) of shinsoo infusions are you referring to?

-Khun and his spear
-Lyborick and his spears.
-Baam with the black march at the end of S2.

In my opinion the fact the Green shinso is around Traum and not the dragon is proof it's his. It also matches his hair color which would make a lot of sense.

As far as I can tell he simply summoned his monsters without even powering them with his own shinso until that 1 attack from the dragon. It has been stated that animas can make their creatures stronger via focusing or whatever but clearly it's shinso related.

We will probably find out next chapter or the one after that the green shinso is his. I notice that authors of Korean and Japanese comics love to give details via pictures and not words.

Is that how you interpreted the panel?

I understood it as ashes coming towards you because of the wind. The rest of the attack went towards Traumerai.

Traum shouldn't need direct control over those shineuh to do what Rapide did to Yas (maybe not all of them but some should One shot Yas by their strength alone) .

I'd rather stay on my headcanon of Yas fighting for his life with shineuh to touch Traum's hair and Traum counting sheep

 

[Orbs2op]

After reading the translation things are clearer, bam control over the admins have improved again now he can block any attack instantly, good to get conformation that leviathan is alive and well, even though it's losing its shit in the void lol, give him a couple more chapters to stop raging kinda feel sorry for it, blue dragon claw is powerful to be classes as a lethal move, yas knows its a lost cause just being Salty about ww at least he ain't pretending the dragons looks badass.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

In my opinion the fact the Green shinso is around Traum and not the dragon is proof it's his. It also matches his hair color which would make a lot of sense.

As far as I can tell he simply summoned his monsters without even powering them with his own shinso until that 1 attack from the dragon. It has been stated that animas can make their creatures stronger via focusing or whatever but clearly it's shinso related.

We will probably find out next chapter or the one after that the green shinso is his. I notice that authors of Korean and Japanese comics love to give details via pictures and not words.

Wasn't Rei's spear used to skewer NN green as well?

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-Khun and his spear
-Lyborick and his spears.
-Baam with the black march at the end of S2.

OK yeah I get those I guess I thought you had an example with summons.

 

[lazybum]

Wouldn't Dokoko fusing with windbird basically infusing shinsu? At least shinsu is used to transfer mind/soul of the anima.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Pretty much. It's entirely plausible that Traumerei started feeling a sense of what some of us have been saying about his performance as Yasratcha continued to hold on against his personal summons. And then decided to offhandedly squash the trifle to prevent any further embarrassment. He does have an audience after all.

IF Rei injected shinsoo into that shinheuh blast, then that certainly poops all over the 'but Rei isn't even trying' argument, doesn't it?

He'd even be able to that while sitting emo.

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So regardless of Yas' fate here, no one expects Yama to be similarly blasted to pieces do they?

 

[King Dryst]

So regardless of Yas' fate here, no one expects Yama to be similarly blasted to pieces do they?

He wants Yama taken alive, so no.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

He wants Yama taken alive, so no.

I hope Acrinak has a say about that. At least against the dragon summons.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Traum is definitely the weakest GW just like his Fam!!! He definitely was not relied on during the climb! He is blessed as an anima, he did not kill Levi because he could not. He had no creature that could do it, and he lacks the power to do so himself! I doubt he ever trained !!!

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He’s been trying to create the ultimate creature to do his bidding because he’s lazy asf!!!

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That Nen Reya spear kill is way overhyped! Rak could of done it, she was weak asf!!!

 

[kkck]

Ok, a few takeaways from the chapter:

Bam telling jinsung people were praying for him... and they say bam is a bad lier.

Hard to say what went on with mascheny this chapter. Bam is presumably bad at lying but mascheny I would guess is quite the actress. I can buy mascheny not knowing what was inside the nest but I don't exactly believe that she bought this story. The suspendium basically hosted the leviathan and the shinsoo around the nest was something like beyond anyone's imagination. So... the place exploding because of fighting inside sounds like obvious bullshit. In any case it seems perfectly plausible that whatever mascheny wanted out of this didn't play out like she hoped anyways.

Kinda surprised that holland hypes himself that much. I suppose he is even younger than what we could guess... Also pretty surprising that he was able to identify a mimesis... A young LPB shouldn't be too familiar with it. I suppose the implication could be that he either saw it from yaratcha before or perhaps the family still keeps a few beastkin around.

Quite the small timeframe the gang has to escape the cage. I algo can't imagine bam leaving without taking yama or his other allies with him. It is looking like the end of the arc is coming at least.

So... yaratcha is fighting basically because there are not better options, even though he knows for a fact he simply can't win. Yama seems to have a much better handle on his full transformation powers, now it resembles yaratcha's partial use of it. I don't think yaratcha is dead, mostly because a while ago when we saw his full transformation SIU made the point that yaratcha's feel is supposed to be something that transcends life and death. I still think the only hope the beastkin have here is yama being the host of acrinak since the creature can conceivably hold a candle to a shineuh wielded by traumerei if the host is good enough.

 

[PGT]

Damn, this post became too long, so I shrank it to the core argument. I may make a separate thread about the details revolving around this topic someday later.

I just read the first pages of this thread where ppl still hadn't read the english scans of the chapter so I can't speak about what was said after it but I disagree with how godly people think the FH should be. We already have some reference for that. 1% of Urek Mazino's strength is enough to OHK someone with Karaka's durability at FoD. I'm not counting his haxes and oddities that make him quasi immortal and etc. That's also why I said 1% Mazino's strength can OHK someone with Karaka's durability even though he actually survived that, although barely, and was able to regenerate.

So take Kallavan, for example, who has much better endurance than Karaka. He would simply not be instantly fodderized if Mazino used 1% of his strength. It would probably hurt him (each hit he'd take* in this hypothetical scenario), but not as bad as, for example, HJ's transcendental floral butterfly technique did, maybe it'd take one hit with say 5% of Urek's power, the amount he originally thought would be necessary to solidly beat Karaka and White. Which shows that UM is on another level when compared to HJ, but not like "I don't have to do anything to kill you, the indirect consequences of something as basic as my normal breathing is more than enough to stomp you". Yama and Yasratcha are on HJ's league, the (in)famous "CC level", and he's dealing with both of them, at least in this chapter.

Since Mazino is stronger than Traum, he would have to "use more than 5% percent of his power" without taking power dynamics and matchup in consideration i.e. some fighting styles, skillsets, particularities are good against some and bad against others. We don't know how much of his strength Traumerai is using, but it's safe to assume it's not much. Given how those Shinheuh can probably transform and things like that (like the windbird), and Traumerei probably didn't expect Yama and Yasratcha to have Full Transformation powers, he also underestimated their strength. Great Animas or at least Traumerei probably benefit of a "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts" kind of effect by increasing the amount of Kaijus attacking you at the same time with each of their haxes and specialties complementing one another. That dragon seems to have very big AoE damage, but it's freaking huge, too easy of a target. That eel was shown multiple times to be able to regenerate, it could use itself as a sacrificial body and protect the dragon, for example. With each Shinheuh added the power level growth is not linear.

Edit: spelling.

 

[paulbee]

Traum is definitely the weakest GW just like his Fam!!! He definitely was not relied on during the climb! He is blessed as an anima, he did not kill Levi because he could not. He had no creature that could do it, and he lacks the power to do so himself! I doubt he ever trained !!!

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He’s been trying to create the ultimate creature to do his bidding because he’s lazy asf!!!

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That Nen Reya spear kill is way overhyped! Rak could of done it, she was weak asf!!!

I have been trying to analyze Traumeiri since he first showed up, and the best I have seen from/of him is that he is portrayed by SIU like a sort of specialized Telepath or empath. His Telepathy /Empathy is not quite comparable to Marvel's Xavier who can directly and powerfully attack almost any opponent's mind, and he is not able to transform like Marvel's Jean Grey into Phoenix or Dark Phoenix. Traumeiri's claim-to-fame is that he can control the more formidable creatures and grant others control over other creatures. Also he can take control of the minds of weaker humans, again also telepath-like.

I guess where I am going is that SIU is not taking the opportunity to portray Traumeiri as an unquestioningly powerful adversary. He seems to be leaving enough room to doubt the characters physical strength. Why is he doing this?

If we compare Bam's power up with Traumeiri's power, it would seem that Bam has the more favorable deal. The power inside Bam has completely become his own. Bam houses the power inside himself Traumeiri summons his . Bam uses the power as his own when he attacks, Traumeiri commands the attack. I honestly can't imagine why SIU is making this easily noticeable distinction so clear for all to see. The only other distinction from the two is that Traumeiri can confer control of specific Shinhueh to his subordinates.

The obvious weakness of an adversary like Traum. is that you can directly attack him after defeating or evading his offensive /defensive Shinhueh. Not that it is easy to do by just anybody though. Another weakness is, if A stronger Anima shows up, he/she can potentially wrestle command of a creature from Traumeiri.

I don't know if SIU is trully projecting these weaknesses for Traumeiri or i I/we are reading too far into what we are seeing, also it is possible that Traumeiri could be physically riddiculously strong, but he just prefers to act using his telepath-like mind control on Shinhueh instead of direct action. I kind of doubt it since each 10GW has a lore based on their powers, and Tram's lore has only been about Shinhueh.

One more point: On the question of Urek attacking Traumeiri, this is not simple to answer based on what we know or don't know yet. I guess Traumeiri will try to block Urek's attack with his most durable shinhueh, but we already know that won't work well for him. The question then is whether Tram has any significant defence after his Shins are destroyed. Again I have to question why SIU has given no direct indications of Tram's power/personal durability so far.

Guess we'll find out sooner or later.

 

[Arjuna]

I don’t. I think Baam will fight the administrator on floor 100 while White fights his father

Definitely not,if Baam reaches the level of fighting Administrators then he will be able to destroy Zahard without effort,so he isn't going to fight an Administrator before fighting Zahard.He is probably going to fight an Administrator but that may only happen after 134th floor,maybe on 135th floor against the Adminstrator there or Headon etc.This will happen only after he fights Zahard.

 

[O_n_Sly]

I have been trying to analyze Traumeiri since he first showed up, and the best I have seen from/of him is that he is portrayed by SIU like a sort of specialized Telepath or empath. His Telepathy /Empathy is not quite comparable to Marvel's Xavier who can directly and powerfully attack almost any opponent's mind, and he is not able to transform like Marvel's Jean Grey into Phoenix or Dark Phoenix. Traumeiri's claim-to-fame is that he can control the more formidable creatures and grant others control over other creatures. Also he can take control of the minds of weaker humans, again also telepath-like.

I guess where I am going is that SIU is not taking the opportunity to portray Traumeiri as an unquestioningly powerful adversary. He seems to be leaving enough room to doubt the characters physical strength. Why is he doing this?

If we compare Bam's power up with Traumeiri's power, it would seem that Bam has the more favorable deal. The power inside Bam has completely become his own. Bam houses the power inside himself Traumeiri summons his . Bam uses the power as his own when he attacks, Traumeiri commands the attack. I honestly can't imagine why SIU is making this easily noticeable distinction so clear for all to see. The only other distinction from the two is that Traumeiri can confer control of specific Shinhueh to his subordinates.

The obvious weakness of an adversary like Traum. is that you can directly attack him after defeating or evading his offensive /defensive Shinhueh. Not that it is easy to do by just anybody though. Another weakness is, if A stronger Anima shows up, he/she can potentially wrestle command of a creature from Traumeiri.

I don't know if SIU is trully projecting these weaknesses for Traumeiri or i I/we are reading too far into what we are seeing, also it is possible that Traumeiri could be physically riddiculously strong, but he just prefers to act using his telepath-like mind control on Shinhueh instead of direct action. I kind of doubt it since each 10GW has a lore based on their powers, and Tram's lore has only been about Shinhueh.

One more point: On the question of Urek attacking Traumeiri, this is not simple to answer based on what we know or don't know yet. I guess Traumeiri will try to block Urek's attack with his most durable shinhueh, but we already know that won't work well for him. The question then is whether Tram has any significant defence after his Shins are destroyed. Again I have to question why SIU has given no direct indications of Tram's power/personal durability so far.

Guess we'll find out sooner or later.

Honestly it’s all about lineage! Whether Traum has DDs or not his family is physically weak! I’m guessing same goes for Traum! They are all anima or noting! TBF why would you ever train if you had a sea dragon?

 

[Cinera]

Maybe Yama will gobble up the core and gain Yasurach's memories/feelings/powers, raising him to the status of 1st gen slayer level. Who knows.

Khel Hellam said that 1 Fang Yama was already 1st Gen Slayer level. And this was before Yama even went all out. The Slayers are just pretty trash. Recall that they have never, not once, won against the Zahard Army. Not even all of FUG can stand against the Zahard Army:

Corps Commanders are > Slayers.

But the based hybrider didn't have the core like yas to regenerate.
I'm sure yas full transformation is different from hybrider, and I bet yas cannot regenerate.

Yas is simply not dead without his core being destroyed.

It is obvious that no one is going to die here. That shitshow with Yas and Yama will be interrupted by Bam soon.
We all know that no fight can have a conclusion.

And do note that even vilains don't die these days.

As others have said, plenty of villains have died this arc, Orari is the most recent example. Whether Yasratcha still qualifies as a villain or is fully ally now, is still up in the air.

 

[Demonspeed]

Can someone remind me what happened to Paul? And where is the third fang?

 

[lazybum]

Can someone remind me what happened to Paul? And where is the third fang?

Sleeping after going berserk against windbird+dokoko IRC.

Either Yas did as willed by WW and give a fang to each WW kid, either Yas has the 3rd fang.

 

[kkck]

Can someone remind me what happened to Paul? And where is the third fang?

IIRC doom is keeping him somewhere or left him somewhere. As for the third fang... who knows. Given that yaratcha definitely got all the fangs from wang wang it makes sense he shared at least one with doom. Since doom had the fang to give yama. But the other two remain a mystery at this point. It's possible he gave one to yama though it is worth noting that doom was merely speculating that yama had it. IMO the fangs were used by yaratcha to implant fear into doom and yama at least... Doom speculates that yaratcha has one fang but that's not a fact yet... Maybe yaratcha did give each of wang wang's kids a fang.

 

[bigfat]

what did mascheny think was in the suspendium?

 

[King Dryst]

Corps Commanders are > Slayers.

And now yet somehow < a Slayer Candidate.