Chapter Tower of God Chapter 545 Spoilers & Discussion

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Alpha's T/L is out, but reading it, it seems to be using Pejaka's T/L

 

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Team YHS is going to meet Wangnan's team :).

Pudidy and co won't be able to hide their identities for long. A.A. and co will talk to Gustang and everything will be ruined for them.
You think Wangnan is with Traumerei's friend that wanted to see Hansung ?
Rei also wanted Yama so i guess he allowed in the ship people who he thought could be useful.
 

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You think Wangnan is with Traumerei's friend that wanted to see Hansung ?
Rei also wanted Yama so i guess he allowed in the ship people who he thought could be useful.
Traumerei's friend is clearly Bloodmaddder, right? He wouldn't call Non-Irregular friends. I don't think he is with anyone particularly important ATM, just climbing normally with his team. I just believe that it's how SIU is planning to connect him to the current arc since he said he wanted to do so since 2020.

The Regulars we are familiar with are coming back so why not. We already have Gustang and Traumerei, I don't see SIU showing another Family Head like this.
 

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You can search that in tog wiki
Thanks!
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Really? Eduan would go to war because of Maschenny?
Probably not. He didn't even care about his 1st generation kids.
And from the information about him till now, he may not care about the princess competition.

( Lol, even Data Eduan sent off his kids to die)

Some informant - My Lord, Princess Maschenny is in trouble.
Eduan( surrounded by women and totally drunk) -
Is that a new brand of booze? :blushbirb
 

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Traumerei's friend is clearly Bloodmaddder, right? He wouldn't call Non-Irregular friends. I don't think he is with anyone particularly important ATM, just climbing normally with his team. I just believe that it's how SIU is planning to connect him to the current arc since he said he wanted to do so since 2020.

The Regulars we are familiar with are coming back so why not. We already have Gustang and Traumerei, I don't see SIU showing another Family Head like this.
I also think Regulars like Endorsi are coming back, as she is connected with Rachel and Lilial. Wangnan is connected with Karaka, immortality (Hansung), Captain and Ehwa, so i could see him coming back as well.
Maybe a Yuri, Maschenny encounter is also due.

The thing i have no clue about is Gustang encounter with Khun, Rak, Hwaryun in a ship sent by Maschenny.

For Pudidy and company i also think they are gonna get exposed soon, but i have a feeling they might get saved by either Baam or Traumerei, even though Rachel might prevent that calling Gustang.
 

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It's just a political marriage after all, but just for the lulz i could watch Baam take a test with Lilial.
Lilial would fall for him. Same old story. 🙃
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The thing i have no clue about is Gustang encounter with Khun, Rak, Hwaryun in a ship sent by Maschenny.
It was hilarious to me when they looked at Gustang and said, " A person? "
They can't feel his power, can they?
And why don't their eyes vaporise on looking at him. :SOON
 

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I also think Regulars like Endorsi are coming back, as she is connected with Rachel and Lilial. Wangnan is connected with Karaka, immortality (Hansung), Captain and Ehwa, so i could see him coming back as well.
Maybe a Yuri, Maschenny encounter is also due.

The thing i have no clue about is Gustang encounter with Khun, Rak, Hwaryun in a ship sent by Maschenny.

For Pudidy and company i also think they are gonna get exposed soon, but i have a feeling they might get saved by either Baam or Traumerei, even though Rachel might prevent that calling Gustang.
Even before that reveal I said that I expected A.A. and co to go to Gustang so that he could help them to reach Baam. SIU made things even simpler by teleporting them right in front of him. Maybe we could learn more about Eduan and Hon thanks to this since their descendants are here. Gustang also humilated White/Vicente at the FoD.

If Pudidy's team gets exposed they will be captured at worst. Baam has no reason to save them and I don't see Traumerei prioritizing them at the moment.
 
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Wasn't that eye thing exclusive to Enryu? Or am I remembering wrong.
 

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It would be quite funny if the next arc consisted in everyone fighting for their lives, while Baam just climbs the Tower with Lilial's team and a fake identity.
I could see Baam going easy on the other Regulars, takes a punch on purpose to make them look good, injures their hand badly just by taking the hit and Lilial scolds him telling him not to show off as it makes her look bad lol. Maybe we get more focus on the other main characters for a while.
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Wasn't that eye thing exclusive to Enryu? Or am I remembering wrong.
Both Traumerei and Gustang burned the eyes of randoms looking at them, unclear if it was their conscious choice.
 

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Probably they already know that they are BH, which would make sense since they are making them prisoners instead of just killing them, it could even have been a direct order from Gustang I don't know, there could be negotiations and they could be the bargaining chip , anyway as Pudidy has said and this reminding you that he's confident of his abilities, there's nothing they can do there, thousands of regulars, dozens of HR, BH, the regents and they think FH might be there. .
Personally, I think they know, because it would be a disappointment if they didn't, to me at least. I think the family of intelligence likely had an intelligence officer scan them and they didn't even know, and they *think* they are being slick with silly disguises.

Security does look light though, so....

As far as what they can do to the PB forces/ship - IDK. These are some of the highest-tier LPB. They can likely solo vast swaths of Po Bidau, including most of their HRs - and that's not even addressing that they could all combine forces now. It would take equivalent PD HRs or greater to stop them (and in the same or greater numbers), and the elite at the highest levels should be rather rare at this level for any/every family.

It seems they are mostly quiet because Gustang could be home at this point - but what if they find out he's gone out?

Also, their choice might soon be to rot in a jail cell forever, or try and fight and die on their feet at least. They might have little to lose if they find out Gustang is gone.

The only things i could think of is that
a) A GF main ship is a place so secure by virtue of the people usually being in it, that security was an afterthought for thousands of years, if FUG never won a battle vs a squadron, you can imagine a gf main ship
b) GF represent nobility, imagining a branch leader resorting to some sly and dishonorable tactic like infiltrating a ship by getting captured is almost unthinkable for them.
c) even in war times, having 5 High Rankers, 3 of whom around top 300 lvl, travelling together is also seemingly impossible for them.

Still, it's laughable how carefree they are. I guess Gustang cares very little about bugs safety.
While I agree they seem to be too carefree, this seems to be the doing of the Po Bidau brass and not Gustang. Though, I doubt he cares about bugs wellfare in general, he certainly doesn't want *his* bugs needlessly binned.

There are only 2 options: they either know or they don't know. If the PB family is that complacent during a war, then that isn't very 'intelligent' of them. If they haven't sought out knowing what they have in their midst, then that isn't very 'intelligent' of them. I'd like not to think of them as that complacent, but maybe their intelligence (the PD themselves, *not* including Gustang who is absent) is more of the bookworm general knowledge type and not so much the street smarts application of intellect.

I do think Gustang might handle it differently, or he wouldn't have to because he could blast their asses personally if they got out of line.

I also think the Po Bidau likely know most HRs that are notable. The PB certainly have their own ancient rankers as well that would recognize old LPB rankers, and/or are recongnizable themselves. Their whole shtick is knowledge, I can't imagine they haven't done their homework on their enemies.

Shame if that's not the case.

Seems very unlikely to me that they realized they are branch leaders, let alone High Rankers. They put around them 6 light houses for 5 "unknown Rankers" as Yura said. The guy talking to them also seems lower ranked than let's say the guy who announced the War at the last station.
It could just be that Yura isn't aware of what the PB elites are aware of, as she is a guest and not privy to their intel simple as that. But I do find their level of security questionable so far (whether they know or don't). It's not like there are PB HR's escorting them, or separating them which should be one of the first things done so they can't team up.

Hell, even the drug cartels know to put a hood on their captives to disorient them from trying to counterattack or knowing where they are.

Maybe, giving them the benefit of the doubt, they have some of their highest rankers just out of line-of-sight watching what's going on, ready to pounce if need be. Or anti-HR measures in place. IDK.

The question is, how close is that?

Because Gustang speaks my territory, not my mothership, the LPB mothership can only be on one of the floors ruled by the Po Bidau.

I think YHS failed to change trajectory, only activate the wp gate, the issue was always destroying the portal so that it seems somewhere random due to destruction. So I think they are all indeed close to the coordinates of the LPB mothership, mad not on the same floor.
I suppose that depends on what "territory" means by Gustang here. I'd think the FH's operate out mostly out of their capital ships, but their floors undoubtedly have castles as well, and the capital ships are mobile. Still, floating castle capital ships seem to be the norm.

As such, it would seem more important for one family to try and strike another family by going after their capital ship, more than a random floor (of which each family has more than a handful). If the LPB wish to vanquish the PB and/or Gustang himself the target would be his Ark/ship, same as why Gustang went to Rei's ship as well. We know that Gustang uses his ship as a base of operations, but left to confront Rei, and Rei does the same, but left to get Baam.

If there's going to be a meaningful battle between two families, it would likely be between two capital ship floating castles, each with the FH inside. The 'territory' a capital ship would have surrounding it would be the most sensitive to each family, irrespective of the floor it is currently on. Kind of like how we (the US) could have a carrier group far away from our shores but upset that they have their proximity tested by a Chinese or Russian ship or aircraft traveling too close.

I think there's a strong likelihood they are on the same floor at the very least, and that Gustang is speaking about his main ship, but it's a guess at this point of course.

I don't see SIU showing another Family Head like this.
Well, we know he will sooner than later and hopefully his last blog hinted that he is bringing more online. I hope he does because a multi-polar war between FH's would be more interesting than not. Blossom showing up to aid Gustang or Bloodmadder showing up because he caught wind of YHS already would be the tits, IMO. The story has dragged out far too long; let's go.

The thing i have no clue about is Gustang encounter with Khun, Rak, Hwaryun in a ship sent by Maschenny.
One thing I wonder is if Gustang can warp back by his lonesome at this point - how did he arrive? He has to have a warp ship nearby for his return. Can he use the ship that AA & Co arrived in? Or is that ship dead in the water once it shows up because the warp abilities are back in Mas' main ship? In short, could he leave with them in their ship now, or just take them with? I doubt they will just exchange words and be done with it at this point. Things are building up to a reunion, and that would mean Gustang returning with the AA crew back to his ship and Rachel.

What are AA and co. going to provide Gustang that he isn't already aware of? It's not like they know Baam's current location or circumstances even.

And why don't their eyes vaporise on looking at him. :SOON
Because those regs are now high rankers... they fly, they aid against ancient monsters like Levi, they aid against top100 HR's like White, they can do it all!
 
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Right, generally agreed.

A few finer points though.

Let's say the LPB mothership is the return destination. I think that's a fair assumption because that's where Rei operates from, and where he just came from. You could say that was the last channel on the 'return' remote.

If that is the vague destination that was fucked with, then putting them close to that destination would mean thousands or even millions of possibilities in the 360* surrounding the capital ship.

Only two destinations (so far) are the EXACT location of Lilial's ship and the Po Bidau mothership.

Well, like you I acknowledge they should be close - based on the dialogue - to the LPB mothership. Though, and yet, they are still very specific locations in of themselves. Which makes me wonder if those are ALSO pre-programmed locations in the list of possible common destinations the LPB would want to go to, or if there is something greater at work (random fate, admin, whatever).

And that doesn't even get into the third location, which is a complete guess at this point. What happens if that one is nowhere near the LPB mothership?
Updated alternatives with your input.

I think Warp Ship's pre-planned/programmed destination is very likely the LPB mothership. There are many variables for this.

IIRC there is a statement from LPB Lepavuv about the Warp gate. When she talked about her plan to destroy the warp gate, There were two of them, One of the Warp Gates was destroyed by Evankhell. and she said the Warp gates at the Nest connected with the LPB mothership.

The established contact with Kirin about Gustang attacking the LPB mothership could be a possibility that they came from the same place.

In addition, The FH is usually close to or resides in their mothership or its proximity unless they want to do something related to their interest. Rei wanted Baam to marry one of the LPB twin princesses is one of these.

There are many possible locations, yet they arrived at the PB Mothership. There could be some alternative for this.

As you said, if the Warp Ship failed to arrive at its planned destination due to tampering or a human error, it would use its failsafe to list the possible location close to the original one that also comes from a pre-planned destination program.

Or, if the Warp ship failed to arrive at its destination, it would try to pinpoint a possible alternative close to the original one. However, this one is without a pre-planned possible destination.

IMO the alternatives mentioned above only could be applied to the specific case of Warp Ship that contained the BH one.
 
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I believe that among families only the FH and the two people below them are known, it was clear to see that Gustang knows Kirin, but would he know Pudidy or Perseus and their positions? I doubt it, it's like in OP Big Mom knows King and Queen but I doubt she knows Ulti, Page One etc, but the PB family has a lot of knowledge, I don't doubt at all they somehow find out that Pudidy and Perseus are BH.
I'm thinking Kirin will be known because of the absence of Traumerai for a long period, like Kirin running things in his stead?
 

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I want to believe that she is important to him, as for who could face the Ha twins I don't know I think the rulers of the ten families must have a minimally balanced power but I do believe that the Ha twins are the strongest since they are daughters of Yurin and Han, but I don't know the regents of the Khun family 😅
The Ha family competes with the Koon, one of the families with the most DD so far, and with the Arie, the lineage with the most pedigree from what SIU said. And the whole family only has two DD, that is, a bunch of ID can compete with them precisely because they have the blood of two irregulars. Now, can you imagine their daughters? I really doubt there are regents stronger than them, but who knows? Genetic lottery is there for that.
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it doesn’t matter they were talking in plural here.. they have never meet them.. guy was destroyed by zahard only.. that guy is clearly traumatized for that day bro tou did not see? He was winning but as soon he see baam broke doom spell he gave up.. guy is frustrated by zahard and now Baam at this point he believe they are all like that and that’s not true
Of course it matters. It's only been shown that he faced Zahard, that's not to say he didn't see the other leaders. The elders don't have that name for decoration, they were probably V and Arlen's direct subordinates, Sophia could easily recognize that there was an FH there, why wouldn't Khell know?
 

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I think there's very little of importance Gustang does not personally know. The gross warpower of all the other FHs, as well as their own abilities/weaknesses, and their top rankers that are likely to affect the flow of a battle are probably all known to him, and accounted for in his plans to go against the empire (or why would he be so confident to declare war otherwise?).

I mean, he's only had tens of thousands of years (at the very least several thousand) for planning and intel-gathering. If he's crunched the numbers and decided he could go against Zahard and whatever Zahard throws at him (to include FHs and their armies that are allied with Zahard and his forces), and he hasn't accounted for the top 10 or so (at least) HRs in each family, then that's a failure of his character. And it isn't consistent with the guy that has contingency plans on contingency plans.

The question is - has he passed this info on to his subordinates? I don't see why not. That would be a failure as well if he had to do everything and he couldn't delegate or rely on his top brass to identify threats in his absence.

The next question is - could his subordinates pick the enemies out of a line-up even if they had names only? Again, I don't see why not. What a gap in intelligence if they can't indentify the heavy-hitters of the enemy Family they have been pitted against. I imagine they not only have names, but faces, characteristics, threat-level, ranks, powersets, etc.

Just like modern anti-crime units have everything from faces to aliases to fingerprints to DNA of known or suspected criminals. Also, histories, family locations, last known residences, rap sheets, etc etc.



Also keep in mind these are LPB **RANKERS** - they aren't blue holes. They have ranks, even if SIU hasn't been so nice as to give us hard figures anymore. They are not unknown. They have known names/faces and even sobriquet that are reflections of their battle style. The chances that Gustang doesn't at least know all there is about the top 100 current rankers is next to zero, IMO. I doesn't really matter if, say, Pudding hasn't been very active in a while... he's been active enough to maintain a rank, and Gustang is old enough to know of him and be able to dictate to others how to identify him if they come across him. He's likely in the PB equivalent of the Naruto ninja handbooks that rank the enemies threat levels, give intel, and directives like 'do not engage' and the like, probably with pictures as well.
 

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is not the fact that they are better is the fact that SIU stated that the girl he going to chose is going to cause a lot of heart broken.. example Androssi and Elaine hate them twins and they are pretty important i read from you saying SIU say something like they are some key for the princesses arc.
Yuri has never been relevant as much as i like her
Is the true, Enne could be the reason of gustang war so she is for sure, Clearly is going to be Enne vs Adori if SIU is smart.. so yes.. Yiwa has been irrelevant since forever but yes i think she’s better
I mean i preffer a lot other scharacter over lillial
Im basing this comment in what you guys say about what siu say.
He's going to break a lot of girls' hearts, not the twins. Androssi wouldn't be heartbroken because he chose the twins in particular.

What are you talking about? Yuri is one of the most important characters in the story.


Lilial and Shilial are as random as Love or Augusgus, Enne and Adori at least have the hype of being established major characters.

Being one of the twins would be a very random thing.
 

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He's going to break a lot of girls' hearts, not the twins. Androssi wouldn't be heartbroken because he chose the twins in particular.

What are you talking about? Yuri is one of the most important characters in the story.


Lilial and Shilial are as random as Love or Augusgus, Enne and Adori at least have the hype of being established major characters.

Being one of the twins would be a very random thing.
Yuri is important for what? She been absent 90% of the serie nobody miss her.. (i love yuri just being real)

whatttt? Androssi hatee the twin with all her heart whatt? Elaine probably too..
Yiwah will be mad asf
Probably Aria due to siu have something with childs and adults hanging out lol
If he marry the lillial that gon be bad for sure.
 

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Idk maybe you right and the next arc is the princesses focus in Yuri and Enne liberation @sazon
I really think she os the best princesses out in term of everything personality, beauty but SIU has dispose of her sadly.
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I give BaamXLilial a 0% chance as end ship, 0.1% chance in romance and a 20% chance as political wedding.
Yeah the political wedding is what i talking about to be honest for me Baam is to ignorant about how a child is conceived lol he miss school that day
 
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