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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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@Erinyes And just in case Lambu was scum, my guess is Mafia Boss. Is this correct? Is this how we count our guesses? Not like we can vote for the prosecutor mark, lol. xD
 

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Nope, honestly now that the laugh died down Im kinda sad that Pom did herself like this so soon
I was confident on confirming my towniness with my playstyle, using a prosecutor was overkill.
I was sus of your not hinting policy too.
 

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No way they put Assassin into game with Prosecutor right?
 

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I was sus of your not hinting policy too.
I mean, I still believe not hinting carries a lot of uncertainty for Mafia, even if they get to kill good Town roles they would have a very hard time eliminating them for real.

The hint-track of James sounds pretty good now that he explained with more detail tho.
 

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And just in case Lambu was scum, my guess is Mafia Boss. Is this correct? Is this how we count our guesses? Not like we can vote for the prosecutor mark, lol. xD
if this is your guessing, why you think Lambu is Mafia Boss?
i don't think that i have the expierence to guess everybodies role yet btw
 

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No way they put Assassin into game with Prosecutor right?
Maybe. We'll see, for now I have no idea of which mafia roles there could be, maybe poisoner or janitor, or even a strongman with + usages. I feel uneasy with the wording used by the hosts when they say roles with a few charges will keep the charges depleted if you pass them on. wonder which roles could have more than 1 charge, but a limited use.
 

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if this is your guessing, why you think Lambu is Mafia Boss?
i don't think that i have the expierence to guess everybodies role yet btw
Its literally impossible to guess at this point of the game, specially now that Im marked and confirmed from Night 1 onwards I dont have a to say a single word of what I am.

I hope all Detectives know to target me tonight, so they instantly confirm their sanities.
 

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I was sus of your not hinting policy too.
He was fine with actual hinting, just not the active/passive standard stuff.

if this is your guessing, why you think Lambu is Mafia Boss?
i don't think that i have the expierence to guess everybodies role yet btw
Well, usually the MB has the advantage of appearing town to Dets who feel sus towards the MB player. So sometimes the MB can try to become a "pillar" for town, aka appearing trust-worthy to have townies flock to him and support his opinion. This usually works best with Janitor getting a good townie role kill early that the MB claims for himself and which the Dets confirm with their result on him once they know their sanity. Honestly though I don't think Lambu is scum, if he was he is way too collected for being killed so early by a lucky prosecutor guess. If he was scum with a mark on himself he could just let out a sigh and have fun for the rest of the day, no need to pretend and keep up a good front.
 

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Please do it at Night 1 Dets, Im probably not going to last much after being confirmed
 

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why is the mark on Lambu so special and what is Katrina doing? :mono
 

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Yes, as Lambu said, once he is confirmed, please all det-chans (if we have more than 1), investigate him! You'll be able to figure your sanity early on if you do so.
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why is the mark on Lambu so special and what is Katrina doing? :mono
That is because it confirms my role and at the end of the day, Lambu's allegiance (town or mafia) will be revealed.
 

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Ugh not even caught up but got to go to work. This role of mine gives me bad memories.
 

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I was sus of your not hinting policy too.
Pom you crazy, Gry was the best shot from D1 playstyle, I hope you aren't letting love affect your MG judgment :(

Hello all, I'm active will hint more when appropriate.

James made Gry look quite bad early game, I think gry didn't expect that and has been trying to recover since.

My current hypothetical vote is on Gry, but no rush.
 

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@Erinyes And just in case Lambu was scum, my guess is Mafia Boss. Is this correct? Is this how we count our guesses? Not like we can vote for the prosecutor mark, lol. xD
Ah if someone tries to guess, it's preferable to write your guess for the person you are voting.

For Lambu, only the Pompom chan could guess.
 
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