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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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because she was un willing to kill gry? so was i ;===;
Buongiorno and Grazie For pointing Out Youre sus too. Now what have you been Up this night, Apple kinda Guy?

From what I know you weren't here during his "detectives should target me tonight instead of lambu/pom" fiesta right?

I was also like nah this can't be (in tbe beginning), then with IC claim it was like okay let's wait and then the detective deal was quite obvious that he was just buying time in my eyes. And as a Strongman it made sense for him to do all he could to survive as long as possible.
Yeah, you Said that. But you voted save on someone Not in danger as you phrased it, on Holt. Why did you play it save in the end, If you Had picked Up this suspicious move, Missy?
 

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Yeah, you Said that. But you voted save on someone Not in danger as you phrased it, on Holt. Why did you play it save in the end, If you Had picked Up this suspicious move, Missy?
That is quite simple, mister. If by any chance there was a boom boom situation and I was the last to vote for him (which I would have been), who would have been the no.1 reporter in town? Who would have kept the citizens well-informed daily? Would you perhaps like to steal my job? Be informed that even though I trust you are a faithful citizen as of now, it takes more than that to become a good reporter.
 

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maybe I have known you for too long but your mafia taking rheins of the town herd is boring now!
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Marmalade, SS, Evil and maybe panda are mafia IMO
 

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Big words for such little sussies, who contributed exactly zero for town's win so far, buddy.
 

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Goodmorning everyone - Just wanted to let you know I'm not feeling 100%. It's a lot better than last night before I went to bed, its not uncommon that it slowly returns again during the day. Might have to vote earlier because of that.

That said, I'll try to play as much as I can.

Wonder what went down last night, hoping a kill was prevented but let's consider all options in this.
Also not really understanding the Asako-accusations, she genuinely just feels like a town-person thinking out loud to me. Feel like I usually have a pretty good nose for town Asako, but perhaps she proves me wrong along the way. We'll see.
 

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Also not really understanding the Asako-accusations, she genuinely just feels like a town-person thinking out loud to me. Feel like I usually have a pretty good nose for town Asako, but perhaps she proves me wrong along the way. We'll see.
but
Anyways votekill marma

for some reason marma is a person i can never trust
... Probably cause how many times she was mafia in my end games hell
:SOON
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An early bird gets the worm ka
Is it really that early where you are?
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I may as well be at this point :XD



I don't know who else around here gets hit with names like bird, pigeon, and the like :hmm
Idk evil been playing with his words so it could be some spoof of “a little birdie told me”
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Why Evil?
 

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On the Asako issue, I believe she's possibly town and was just failing to see the warning signs with Gry but I would appreciate hearing more from her on her reasoning for defending Gry, albeit somewhat weakly. Marm is another one who could fall into that category with her voter anxiety at the end of the last day I suppose. There is potential for Asako to be a traitor given the defence, but it was weak and looks like town Asako just not reading the room.

Idk evil been playing with his words so it could be some spoof of “a little birdie told me”
I think his entire identity on the sight at this point is "bird" :XD I see your confusion though
 

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Good morning.. Just gonna get me breakfast and read your thoughts..
Need to understand why DD got some votes
I understand my personal role due to nightphase better ✌
 

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Who is Birdie? Lambu?
Sì, certo. Eeh~scusa for the confusion. So you sus digital too?

not reading the room

Talking about not reading the room, wasn't it you, pockets, who towards the end of day tried to edge by picking up some random discussions with Brando, just before jumping on the inevidable Gry lynch?

Did you use your role last night? Care to contribute something, pockets?
 

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But they was no kill, I don't see why we should use processing power today to consider 2 mafia teams.

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@Asako here is what you are being accused of.



At the pick of the early James Vs Gry, Gry attempted to use James lover talk against James, he failed because many people knew James was traumatized from last game, host told us in the deadpad how much suffering he went through knowing they were lovers but not being able to join the mafia.

Gry's mistake was to think he could use this like the standard: "you said traitor you must be traitor" D1 argument.

You were the host of the previous game and you still tried to use the lover talk against James while jinx / lambu didn't and the evil / me didn't (the people that had context).

You basically shadowed Gry in his accusation, you didn't just defend him, you attacked as well.



You said this to Sakura who asked for a summary after joining the game and while Gry was in wait and see mode with 2 votes.

This was an attempt to catch new joiners and recruit them to Gry's cause.

You were actively protecting Gry from getting more votes.



This vote looked fake as fuck, here we are trying to lynch Gry for reasonable reasons for D1 and you are against that, but your vote is meaningless, if you think Gry didn't do enough to be voted then you should have a better vote yourself.

I also previously explained that giving Gry extra days wouldn't help, since he was sus + passive + lambu was in the open, but you are still arguing here that the best strategy is to let him live.



This was at the end of the day, you couldn't go back on your actions on D1 so you continued using the IC as a reason.

You played the game Gry hosted were he said he put an IC D5 to see if town would let them live and we didn't, so it was clear why he picked D3.

James and others explained that D3 is very low in a game this size.

You close your eyes to any argument against Gry, you only see that he shouldn't die, like a mafia.
Why could i mention tho at the very end of the day the fact i thought this was the wrong choice, i geniusly did think it was
A IC claim is basically waiting game from how i see it
I didn't try to save him via lynch either, i was still considering he was scum but felt he was more likely townie

Byw shad gry wad the first one to say post were crafty, now you're telling me you think I'm fake when I'm playing like usual early game
Early game that is, i never been active early

For sakura i gave her a short summary, do you want me to write a long one that impressive on whatever gry done ?
I don't even keep track of the hinting of people

My vote yesterday cause i didn't think either jinx or gry were it, did you want me to jump into a bangwagon that had fucking 4 people on it on day 1 ???? That looked sussy as hell to me, eh nah ain't joining that bangwagon
Previous experience said that day1 bangwagon smell like scum bangwagon as usually day 1 get lynched with only 3 people meanwhile gry had more people considering going with him but not committing
Looked sussy to me

Gb and panda i can't read well at the time when i voted, only one that had votes (if holt had one know that I'm never voting holt early game, I'm not a meanie)
From my list marma was more sus to me yesterday
We see how today goes


I don't see how gry being passive=scum, didn't get your explanation
I considered day3 cause of the mechanic
I closed my eyes when it was just a waiting game for gry, nothing else nothing more
You happy now he was scum but imagine how memeful that shit could been if you killed an auto confirmation role
 

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It is what it is, her vote on me doesn’t make me feel less town of her tbh.
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Hallöchen, tudo bem? Badberry accusses us to be in the Man Hel cosa nostra, what you say to that, buddy?
Meh, wonder what he bases that off. You come off a lot more townie than last game for example, at least to me.
As for myself, it’s his thing
 
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