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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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@Baka Taichou I can, my active role is a night role, so sadly I ain't vigilante or cowboy. Also I used it last night. That's two hints.
Is there something you might want to add to your hint(s?) so far?

I also gonna votekill Asako. Digital can keep proving himself as mortician and given how many active role claimers we got, a mafia trying to act as mortician will sooner or later mess up for sure.
gave enough hints on my end to give quite a good idea of what my role is, if you read between the lines, otherwise it'd be too obvious and too soon for that imo.
I didn't expect you to have a day role, if i did i wouldn't have asked you that question, so your first hint is not relevant to me. Nor does the usage. But ok, topic for tomorrow ig.
 

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lambu good you here, i tagged you on some questions, want to hear your 2 cents since you're the only confirmed around
Im on page 25 right now, I'll answer every quote in due time o/

That said remember that even if Im confirmed it doesn't mean you have to trust my judgement at all times. I know eloquence is not my forte so when people instantly agree with what I write it makes me wary of them, as it makes me think I made a wrong judgement and they are cattering to it.
 

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@Shad
sry you confused me now XD...
no matter, i am trying to find someone suspicious and try to catch up to understand your argument, but on the first days it seems a blind pick...or maybe i just miss the suspicious answers
 

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Im on page 25 right now, I'll answer every quote in due time o/

That said remember that even if Im confirmed it doesn't mean you have to trust my judgement at all times. I know eloquence is not my forte so when people instantly agree with what I write it makes me wary of them, as it makes me think I made a wrong judgement and they are cattering to it.
Ah no, I'm saying since you're confirmed you're the only one i can trust to answer my questions honestly. Not like I'm asking you who to vote for or w/e
 

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As food for thought, I dont think Sam is Mafia with Gry, he asked me directly yesterday about why we thought the IC claim was stinky and after I explained he joined the train, if he really was mafia he could have feigned fear of "making a mistake" and not sentenced Gry to death, while not throwing too much suspicion on himself.

Now he could always be a Third Party tho, he's still going very surface level on interactions, which rings alarms, but Im 90% sure that he isnt with Gry.
Agreed, same with Baka or pretty much anyone who voted on Gry. Usually the ones who vote last/latest are sus but Gry had good chances with Crescent to survive if Sam had gone for her and we all know Lambu is 100% town. Same with Shad and Evil who voted early and who kept pushing onto Gry until he started to sound making less and less sense.
Ofc one of them could be a TP, except for Lambu except he got recruited last night by Mentor but I'm pretty sure doc or BG had his back, so depending on the night 2 kill amounts I will look at them differently, but until then I trust them the most of all players.

gave enough hints on my end to give quite a good idea of what my role is, if you read between the lines, otherwise it'd be too obvious and too soon for that imo.
I didn't expect you to have a day role, if i did i wouldn't have asked you that question, so your first hint is not relevant to me. Nor does the usage. But ok, topic for tomorrow ig.
Got it. We talk tomorrow then. I admit though that I was surprised when you said you don't trust me, but in a game where we might have TP besides a Mafia gang, because I don't think you believe I am Mafia trying to get Gry lynched from first page on, that is a good and valid point.
 

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Agreed, same with Baka or pretty much anyone who voted on Gry. Usually the ones who vote last/latest are sus but Gry had good chances with Crescent to survive if Sam had gone for her and we all know Lambu is 100% town. Same with Shad and Evil who voted early and who kept pushing onto Gry until he started to sound making less and less sense.
Ofc one of them could be a TP, except for Lambu except he got recruited last night by Mentor but I'm pretty sure doc or BG had his back, so depending on the night 2 kill amounts I will look at them differently, but until then I trust them the most of all players.



Got it. We talk tomorrow then. I admit though that I was surprised when you said you don't trust me, but in a game where we might have TP besides a Mafia gang, because I don't think you believe I am Mafia trying to get Gry lynched from first page on, that is a good and valid point.
:), I like how you add my name in there, then mention last voters usually sus, then have sam's back, and the ones who voted before me's backs. Great use of subliminal messages there.

And since you went ahead and mentioned that one of them could be TP, let's not talk tomorrow actually and talk today about the fact that you have a secondary role. Care to share light on that?
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And if it's not clear by now, I'm the psychiatrist, my lovelies.
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The only reason I decided to mention it was because of your reply to Lambu that I quoted you on. Because since D1 I smelled fish, and D2 you're reinforcing it.
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Me smelling fish on you D1 is obviously the reason for which I targeted you last night.
 

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otherwise pretend I'm not here. Kthanksbye.
We would all love to, unforunately you signed up and got a role assigned, so interaction is required. Cut your childish tantrum crap.

Me smelling fish on you D1 is obviously the reason for which I targeted you last night.
Yadda yadda, so what's the result, spit it already.
 

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why ban? :slowly

sry but atm this game is more confusing than last time (for me) LUL
 

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Caught up, and on what a note

:), I like how you add my name in there, then mention last voters usually sus, then have sam's back, and the ones who voted before me's backs. Great use of subliminal messages there.

And since you went ahead and mentioned that one of them could be TP, let's not talk tomorrow actually and talk today about the fact that you have a secondary role. Care to share light on that?
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And if it's not clear by now, I'm the psychiatrist, my lovelies.
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The only reason I decided to mention it was because of your reply to Lambu that I quoted you on. Because since D1 I smelled fish, and D2 you're reinforcing it.
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Me smelling fish on you D1 is obviously the reason for which I targeted you last night.
Ayoooo James secondary? /:lambirb\
 

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it was a random suspicious choice for the first day, plus bc of last game, and i wanted to pick Gry at the end, but remembered the (Mafia)Bomb issue...and now i am careful to pick as the last one^^
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"Mafia Poisoner (Mafia): The Mafia Poisoner has the ability to poison someone during the night. The player will die at Priority 3 next night phase. The Doctor can only save the victim in the night he's being poisoned. The Mafia cannot use another killing ability on the same night they use the Poisoner ability."

could we have also this issue why we had no kill during the night?
if we have a surplus of deaths on the second night then poisoner is lokely



GB's vote on Sam,
you mean

Asasko, almost dead, still refuses to elaborate
like….. if she was mafia, would she idk…. Lie about a eole

Kthanksbye
breath in, beeathe

I'm the psychiatrist
weren’t you like that last game?

Me smelling fish on you D1 is obviously the reason for which I targeted you last night.
So is James carrying a fish?
 

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lol Sakura, I knew you were Psy from that post you asked lambu about it!

Interesting dev!

What if James is traitor and was killed N1 and recruited?

Or TP?
 

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@Baka Taichou I had a temporary role that I made use of last night and no longer have. No big deal on that end. But yeah with Lovers and Traitor I can see why you wouldn't trust me with that.

@Erinyes @Farfalla My guess for Asako is Mafia Escort. Because if she is one then that would be great.
 

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@James Rye whats your secondary, or are you challenging Sakura's claim?
 

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We would all love to, unforunately you signed up and got a role assigned, so interaction is required. Cut your childish tantrum crap.


Yadda yadda, so what's the result, spit it already.
1. I was trolling
2. I already did
 

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wait baka claims to be a 'psychatrist'...so more ppl claiming on roles

dd - mortician
baka - psychatrist
jinx- noble? or so?

what role is Asako?

i bet i forgot someone
 

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if we have a surplus of deaths on the second night then poisoner is lokely





you mean



like….. if she was mafia, would she idk…. Lie about a eole



breath in, beeathe



weren’t you like that last game?



So is James carrying a fish?
as i previously mentioned this game, yes I was <3

are you, like, trying to, like, take James' side?
Secondary was Doctor, so I ain't challenging anything. Sakura's result is correct.
what? Doctor as a secondary?
 
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